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Shadow Boxer wrote:That's just sad Worm, we should man up and take them to court.

You need to read our posts, nobody on here expects Milford to play for us again.
Yeah, you are right... We should all get worked up and yell really loud and bang things and be men.. It will definitely chane things..
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Why are you so afraid of the Courier-Mail worm?

What does it matter if they write mean things about us? Who cares?
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Worm wrote:
Shadow Boxer wrote:That's just sad Worm, we should man up and take them to court.

You need to read our posts, nobody on here expects Milford to play for us again.
Yeah, you are right... We should all get worked up and yell really loud and bang things and be men.. It will definitely chane things..
Seriously dude, slow down and read, I didn't say any of that.
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Better I guess if we just bend over and take it
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Manbush wrote:Better I guess if we just bend over and take it
I'm glad Worm isnt in charge.
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Come on.. That kind of condescension is not necessary. It's the long term repercussions this has for the club. Like SB said, I don't know how I can explain this any clearer??
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Worm wrote:
Regs Revolution wrote:
Worm wrote:
Timbo wrote:I'm glad the consensus here seems to be, **** this guy and **** him hard.

As for the folks worried about this derailing our 2014 season... I hate to be the bearer of bad news guys, but 2014 walked out the door a while ago.
So let's **** it harder is your suggestion?

**** me.. There is a lot guys on this forum that need to open their eyes a little more and remove the feel sorry for Canberra blinkers..

The amount of bull*** being thrown around this forum seeking retribution or digging in etc is laughable.

The kid wants nothing to do with Canberra.. So yeah.. Great idea, let's dig our heels in, look pathetic, drag this out into the season proper and prove to the league what most clubs suspect. That we are a joke. Or let him go, move on, concentrate back in footy and try and get the year back on track..
Worm you are so wrong in this.

If the Raiders give in, you will have every player who wants more money breaking contracts and leaving our club.

Then we can develop players like Cornish, Cronin, Ahearn only to have them leave cause they want more money.

If we give in, we f*** ourselves even further.

There is a contract in place, if you want to honour it, it is there, if you don't, then you can sit out the year because why would we want him playing against us when we can prevent it
I think you are missing the point. They will leave regardless. Proving a point for the sake of proving a point does not make you right. It also does not make you desirable, be it to those that are contracted ot those that are one day likely to be.

But you know what.. Vent away. The Club will no doubt make their mind up and our opinions mean little. But in my opinion if they pursue this its lose / lose.. If we finish it, be the good guy and safe face now, we have a chance to recoup some faith.
Sorry Worm, but taking the holier-than-thou approach here is wrong. If this was a genuine case where Halo had genuinely deteriorated or was unable to leave Brisbane, I think that management would have sat down with him to work out a way for him to enact the exit clause in his contract. But with Halo traveling unhindered, allegedly even following his son to the UK for the World Cup, it's apparent that Milford/Ayoub/Milford's family have been trying to play up these emotional excuses to get out of his contract.

I can see the logic with saying that if a player doesn't want to be here, that he shouldn't be made to stay and disrupt everyone else, however these kids need to be held accountable for their actions, much the same as if you or I signed a contract and then tried reneging. If he wants out, he needs to find a way to buy out of his contract or be prepared to sit out a season.
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Worm wrote:They will gain it anyway. Milford will be there come round one.

So we either drag ourselves through the mud for no point, or we drag ourselves through the mud for no point.. Your choice..
I don't see how. Unless you are on the NRL conspiracy wagon what makes you think the NRL will force the Raiders to release him?

Milford requested a release months ago. If the NRL were going to intervene and grant it Milford would not have even finished the season with the Raiders.

I am pretty comfortable the Raiders position that he plays or sits out is supported by the NRL. If it wasn't we wouldn't even be having this discussion because Milford would be on the Broncs payroll already
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Bipolar Bear wrote:
Worm wrote:
Regs Revolution wrote:
Worm wrote:
Timbo wrote:I'm glad the consensus here seems to be, **** this guy and **** him hard.

As for the folks worried about this derailing our 2014 season... I hate to be the bearer of bad news guys, but 2014 walked out the door a while ago.
So let's **** it harder is your suggestion?

**** me.. There is a lot guys on this forum that need to open their eyes a little more and remove the feel sorry for Canberra blinkers..

The amount of bull*** being thrown around this forum seeking retribution or digging in etc is laughable.

The kid wants nothing to do with Canberra.. So yeah.. Great idea, let's dig our heels in, look pathetic, drag this out into the season proper and prove to the league what most clubs suspect. That we are a joke. Or let him go, move on, concentrate back in footy and try and get the year back on track..
Worm you are so wrong in this.

If the Raiders give in, you will have every player who wants more money breaking contracts and leaving our club.

Then we can develop players like Cornish, Cronin, Ahearn only to have them leave cause they want more money.

If we give in, we f*** ourselves even further.

There is a contract in place, if you want to honour it, it is there, if you don't, then you can sit out the year because why would we want him playing against us when we can prevent it
I think you are missing the point. They will leave regardless. Proving a point for the sake of proving a point does not make you right. It also does not make you desirable, be it to those that are contracted ot those that are one day likely to be.

But you know what.. Vent away. The Club will no doubt make their mind up and our opinions mean little. But in my opinion if they pursue this its lose / lose.. If we finish it, be the good guy and safe face now, we have a chance to recoup some faith.
Sorry Worm, but taking the holier-than-thou approach here is wrong. If this was a genuine case where Halo had genuinely deteriorated or was unable to leave Brisbane, I think that management would have sat down with him to work out a way for him to enact the exit clause in his contract. But with Halo traveling unhindered, allegedly even following his son to the UK for the World Cup, it's apparent that Milford/Ayoub/Milford's family have been trying to play up these emotional excuses to get out of his contract.

I can see the logic with saying that if a player doesn't want to be here, that he shouldn't be made to stay and disrupt everyone else, however these kids need to be held accountable for their actions, much the same as if you or I signed a contract and then tried reneging. If he wants out, he needs to find a way to buy out of his contract or be prepared to sit out a season.
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Nobody is saying he suits up next year. Everyone is saying he has played his last game for the Raiders.

If he was on $800,000 a season and there was an $800,000 a season player available to replace him I think everyone would agree that releasing him makes sense. But he isn't, and there isn't. The only two groups that benefit from him leaving are the Broncos and Milford himself.
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Timbo wrote:Nobody is saying he suits up next year. Everyone is saying he has played his last game for the Raiders.

If he was on $800,000 a season and there was an $800,000 a season player available to replace him I think everyone would agree that releasing him makes sense. But he isn't, and there isn't. The only two groups that benefit from him leaving are the Broncos and Milford himself.
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stay strong don, hold your ground. he plays for us or not at all....
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We are a development-focused club, that can't afford to let clubs like the Broncos just waltz in and steal our players. By fighting this, we are letting other clubs know that they can't pull this s**t on us without a whole lot of trouble.

I couldn't give a flying F about the kid anymore. But if we roll-over then other clubs will continue slime in and pinch our juniors. Why make it easy for them.
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Bipolar Bear wrote:
Worm wrote:
Regs Revolution wrote:
Worm wrote:
Timbo wrote:I'm glad the consensus here seems to be, **** this guy and **** him hard.

As for the folks worried about this derailing our 2014 season... I hate to be the bearer of bad news guys, but 2014 walked out the door a while ago.
So let's **** it harder is your suggestion?

**** me.. There is a lot guys on this forum that need to open their eyes a little more and remove the feel sorry for Canberra blinkers..

The amount of bull*** being thrown around this forum seeking retribution or digging in etc is laughable.

The kid wants nothing to do with Canberra.. So yeah.. Great idea, let's dig our heels in, look pathetic, drag this out into the season proper and prove to the league what most clubs suspect. That we are a joke. Or let him go, move on, concentrate back in footy and try and get the year back on track..
Worm you are so wrong in this.

If the Raiders give in, you will have every player who wants more money breaking contracts and leaving our club.

Then we can develop players like Cornish, Cronin, Ahearn only to have them leave cause they want more money.

If we give in, we f*** ourselves even further.

There is a contract in place, if you want to honour it, it is there, if you don't, then you can sit out the year because why would we want him playing against us when we can prevent it
I think you are missing the point. They will leave regardless. Proving a point for the sake of proving a point does not make you right. It also does not make you desirable, be it to those that are contracted ot those that are one day likely to be.

But you know what.. Vent away. The Club will no doubt make their mind up and our opinions mean little. But in my opinion if they pursue this its lose / lose.. If we finish it, be the good guy and safe face now, we have a chance to recoup some faith.
Sorry Worm, but taking the holier-than-thou approach here is wrong. If this was a genuine case where Halo had genuinely deteriorated or was unable to leave Brisbane, I think that management would have sat down with him to work out a way for him to enact the exit clause in his contract. But with Halo traveling unhindered, allegedly even following his son to the UK for the World Cup, it's apparent that Milford/Ayoub/Milford's family have been trying to play up these emotional excuses to get out of his contract.

I can see the logic with saying that if a player doesn't want to be here, that he shouldn't be made to stay and disrupt everyone else, however these kids need to be held accountable for their actions, much the same as if you or I signed a contract and then tried reneging. If he wants out, he needs to find a way to buy out of his contract or be prepared to sit out a season.
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green94 wrote:stay strong don, hold your ground. he plays for us or not at all....
No, his attitude has seen to the fact he should not play for us ever again. He should be forced to sit next season out.
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Hi All,

I'm really suprised by the latest update from Milford and agree it will be hard to let him go.

But what kind of "Morale" ground do we have? Our esteemed coach used pretty much the same excuse to get out of his Parra deal after one year and now we take the morale high ground.

While I agree that he should honour his contract, we kind look like a pack of mongrels if we allow the whole Stuart thing to pass and not allow Milford to go back to Brissy.

N.B. I guess the obvious thing here is why are we not calling for the sacking of Don Furner, he has handled this absoultely terribly and should fall on his sword so that the Raiders organisation can start fresh.
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Timbo wrote:
green94 wrote:stay strong don, hold your ground. he plays for us or not at all....
No, his attitude has seen to the fact he should not play for us ever again. He should be forced to sit next season out.
that's what I just said.... :nooo
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raiders8294 wrote:Hi All,

I'm really suprised by the latest update from Milford and agree it will be hard to let him go.

But what kind of "Morale" ground do we have? Our esteemed coach used pretty much the same excuse to get out of his Parra deal after one year and now we take the morale high ground.

While I agree that he should honour his contract, we kind look like a pack of mongrels if we allow the whole Stuart thing to pass and not allow Milford to go back to Brissy.

N.B. I guess the obvious thing here is why are we not calling for the sacking of Don Furner, he has handled this absoultely terribly and should fall on his sword so that the Raiders organisation can start fresh.
There is a MASSIVE difference between Ricky and Milford. Milford has an enforceable contract Ricky did not. End of story

If Ricky's contract was enforceable the Raiders would have either had to pay compensation to Parra or choose a different coach. The fact that Ricky's contract allowed him to leave at any time makes all the difference.
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thanks for pointing that out raiders8294, I can see how it's just like the Stuart thing now that you mention it and yeah we should let him go
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green94 wrote:
Timbo wrote:
green94 wrote:stay strong don, hold your ground. he plays for us or not at all....
No, his attitude has seen to the fact he should not play for us ever again. He should be forced to sit next season out.
that's what I just said.... :nooo
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greeneyed wrote:Anthony Milford's Canberra Raiders return in doubt

Anthony Milford is threatening not to return to Canberra in 2014, conflicting with the statements made by the Raiders and his manager Sam Ayoub on Wednesday.

But Fairfax Media spoke to Milford's manager, Sam Ayoub, on Wednesday, when he he was well aware of the Raiders' statement and that Milford was "satisfied with the outcome".

"Like a game of footy there's one winner and a loser, there aren't even draws these days because of [golden-point] ... In this one it's probably the closest thing to a draw," Ayoub said.

Asked how committed Milford, the Mal Meninga Medallist in 2013, would be to Canberra next season, Ayoub said: "I'd like to see him be player of the year again in 2014".

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raiders8294 wrote:Hi All,

I'm really suprised by the latest update from Milford and agree it will be hard to let him go.

But what kind of "Morale" ground do we have? Our esteemed coach used pretty much the same excuse to get out of his Parra deal after one year and now we take the morale high ground.

While I agree that he should honour his contract, we kind look like a pack of mongrels if we allow the whole Stuart thing to pass and not allow Milford to go back to Brissy.

N.B. I guess the obvious thing here is why are we not calling for the sacking of Don Furner, he has handled this absoultely terribly and should fall on his sword so that the Raiders organisation can start fresh.
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you all know what's going to happen if he sits out next year anyway. He's going to come back in '15 and destroy us time and time again for many years to come. He'll win Dally M's and be a media darling all over the shop, he'll retire a champion of the game. But that's OK, because we got him to sit out a year once.

let him go, who cares. We'll just get screwed over again anyway, chucking a hissy fit hasn't made jack all difference in the past
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raiders8294 wrote:Hi All,

I'm really suprised by the latest update from Milford and agree it will be hard to let him go.

But what kind of "Morale" ground do we have? Our esteemed coach used pretty much the same excuse to get out of his Parra deal after one year and now we take the morale high ground.

While I agree that he should honour his contract, we kind look like a pack of mongrels if we allow the whole Stuart thing to pass and not allow Milford to go back to Brissy.

N.B. I guess the obvious thing here is why are we not calling for the sacking of Don Furner, he has handled this absoultely terribly and should fall on his sword so that the Raiders organisation can start fresh.

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Decorous Muse wrote:you all know what's going to happen if he sits out next year anyway. He's going to come back in '15 and destroy us time and time again for many years to come. He'll win Dally M's and be a media darling all over the shop, he'll retire a champion of the game. But that's OK, because we got him to sit out a year once.

let him go, who cares. We'll just get screwed over again anyway, chucking a hissy fit hasn't made jack all difference in the past
Surely that is better than it happening in 2014?

It isn't a hissy fit. It is enforcing a contract.
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green94 wrote:
Timbo wrote:
green94 wrote:stay strong don, hold your ground. he plays for us or not at all....
No, his attitude has seen to the fact he should not play for us ever again. He should be forced to sit next season out.
that's what I just said.... :nooo
Sorry, misread what you said.
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Green eyed Mick wrote:
Decorous Muse wrote:you all know what's going to happen if he sits out next year anyway. He's going to come back in '15 and destroy us time and time again for many years to come. He'll win Dally M's and be a media darling all over the shop, he'll retire a champion of the game. But that's OK, because we got him to sit out a year once.

let him go, who cares. We'll just get screwed over again anyway, chucking a hissy fit hasn't made jack all difference in the past
Surely that is better than it happening in 2014?

It isn't a hissy fit. It is enforcing a contract.
yeah but what difference is it going to make? We're just prolonging our own pain for a year. Then it will just hurt more when he bashes us in 2015 because it'll be like he gets his revenge on us
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I think it's becoming less and less about the player, for the Raiders.
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@TimGavel: Raiders say they have a written agreement from Anthony Milford to play for Canberra in 2014 which has been backed by NRL.

Backed by the NRL. We might have them on our side yet
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Re: Milford refusing to play for Canberra in 2014

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Ultima wrote:
raiders8294 wrote:Hi All,

I'm really suprised by the latest update from Milford and agree it will be hard to let him go.

But what kind of "Morale" ground do we have? Our esteemed coach used pretty much the same excuse to get out of his Parra deal after one year and now we take the morale high ground.

While I agree that he should honour his contract, we kind look like a pack of mongrels if we allow the whole Stuart thing to pass and not allow Milford to go back to Brissy.

N.B. I guess the obvious thing here is why are we not calling for the sacking of Don Furner, he has handled this absoultely terribly and should fall on his sword so that the Raiders organisation can start fresh.
Broncos Troll, **** off. A player who was find and his family was moving down here until some magical moment happened and he suddenly wanted to be a Bronco all his life, ignoring the fact they told him to get **** as a kid. Only think I have against Furner is not attacking the Broncos and the NRL MORE on this issue.
Really, is that all you can say. Don't forget what "The Don" did to his very own brother, David. Or have you forgotten that little part.

The sooner that we are rid of the Funrer legacy the better. It isn't 1982 anymore need to move with the times.
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Re: Milford refusing to play for Canberra in 2014

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Decorous Muse wrote:
Green eyed Mick wrote:
Decorous Muse wrote:you all know what's going to happen if he sits out next year anyway. He's going to come back in '15 and destroy us time and time again for many years to come. He'll win Dally M's and be a media darling all over the shop, he'll retire a champion of the game. But that's OK, because we got him to sit out a year once.

let him go, who cares. We'll just get screwed over again anyway, chucking a hissy fit hasn't made jack all difference in the past
Surely that is better than it happening in 2014?

It isn't a hissy fit. It is enforcing a contract.
yeah but what difference is it going to make? We're just prolonging our own pain for a year. Then it will just hurt more when he bashes us in 2015 because it'll be like he gets his revenge on us

The difference is we dont come out of this whole thing looking as weak as usual
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Re: Milford refusing to play for Canberra in 2014

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Manchild wrote:@TimGavel: Raiders say they have a written agreement from Anthony Milford to play for Canberra in 2014 which has been backed by NRL.

Backed by the NRL. We might have them on our side yet
I believe if the NRL weren't backing the Raiders on some level Milford would have been gone months ago. We know Brisbane came calling 4 or 5 months ago and Ayoub wanted him released then.

The Raiders didn't budge, the NRL didn't force them to. Nothing has changed other than Milford has signed a big contract in 2015, making him even less likely to receive sympathy from the NRL knowing if they release him he will walk into an approx $300K upgrade and every club with a player signed at a rival club in 2015 will be up in arms.
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Re: Milford refusing to play for Canberra in 2014

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raiders8294 wrote:
Ultima wrote:
raiders8294 wrote:Hi All,

I'm really suprised by the latest update from Milford and agree it will be hard to let him go.

But what kind of "Morale" ground do we have? Our esteemed coach used pretty much the same excuse to get out of his Parra deal after one year and now we take the morale high ground.

While I agree that he should honour his contract, we kind look like a pack of mongrels if we allow the whole Stuart thing to pass and not allow Milford to go back to Brissy.

N.B. I guess the obvious thing here is why are we not calling for the sacking of Don Furner, he has handled this absoultely terribly and should fall on his sword so that the Raiders organisation can start fresh.
Broncos Troll, **** off. A player who was find and his family was moving down here until some magical moment happened and he suddenly wanted to be a Bronco all his life, ignoring the fact they told him to get **** as a kid. Only think I have against Furner is not attacking the Broncos and the NRL MORE on this issue.
Really, is that all you can say. Don't forget what "The Don" did to his very own brother, David. Or have you forgotten that little part.

The sooner that we are rid of the Funrer legacy the better. It isn't 1982 anymore need to move with the times.
No it's not... If it was 1982 people might actually be concerned about looking like a self important over privileged little **** and contracts actually meant something. It was also the glory days before the stain which is the Broncos existing in the competition. If someone stood out of line in 1982 they would have been told to harden the **** up, be clipped over the side of the head and either get over it or get on the dole.

Don Jr has done well in this entire thing. They said "**** off we won't play this out in the media" Milford and his manager are the ones who had a permanent morning meeting with News Ltd. They get the yes from his manager, then suddenly the little **** decides he isn't getting enough attention and goes crying to News Ltd. yet again and all your Broncos fanboys eat it up.

Maybe as a Broncos fan you can't fathom hard word or not getting your way. We have been **** stood on and used as a doormat for too **** long and the club needs to make a **** stand and tell every other player out there that you can not **** hold the club to ransom! If this was the army he would be looking at jail time for breaching his contract. While it will never go that far, contracts need to mean something for the rest of the world as well, we can't keep letting people just not show up for work and get a better offer elsewhere! Can you imagine if this happened where you work? There is no **** hope in hell anyone would not be pissed at them and they wouldn't be sued so why should this be any different???
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