Zac Hosking signs with the Raiders on three year deal from 2024

[dubby]

Cronk never stood onside a day in his life!

[Northern Raider]

There's a lot of Cooper Cronk debate going on in the Zac Hosking thread. Couldn't be bothered reading it all. Can someone please paraphrase the points being made?

[greeneyed]

There's a lot of Cooper Cronk debate going on in the Zac Hosking thread. Couldn't be bothered reading it all. Can someone please paraphrase the points being made?

Proposition 1: Non halfback Cooper Cronk was transformed into a top line halfback through great coaching from Craig Bellamy and Matthew Johns and hard work from Cooper.

Proposition 2: Cooper Cronk was already a top line junior and rugby league talent before joining the Storm and. Craig Bellamy is overrated and had little to do with Cronk becoming a top halfback.

The correct answer is 1.


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[Northern Raider]

There's a lot of Cooper Cronk debate going on in the Zac Hosking thread. Couldn't be bothered reading it all. Can someone please paraphrase the points being made?

Proposition 1: Non halfback Cooper Cronk was transformed into a top line halfback through great coaching from Craig Bellamy and Matthew Johns and hard work from Cooper.

Proposition 2: Cooper Cronk was already a top line junior and rugby league talent before joining the Storm and. Craig Bellamy is overrated and had little to do with Cronk becoming a top halfback.

The correct answer is 1.


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Thanks, although I feel the truth lay somewhere in between.

[BJ]

There's a lot of Cooper Cronk debate going on in the Zac Hosking thread. Couldn't be bothered reading it all. Can someone please paraphrase the points being made?

Proposition 1: Non halfback Cooper Cronk was transformed into a top line halfback through great coaching from Craig Bellamy and Matthew Johns and hard work from Cooper.

Proposition 2: Cooper Cronk was already a top line junior and rugby league talent before joining the Storm and. Craig Bellamy is overrated and had little to do with Cronk becoming a top halfback.

The correct answer is 1.


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Greeneyed you should practice what you preach about Strawmen and misrepresentation.
Your Proposition 2 is nothing like what I was saying.

[Botman]

There is always an underlying level of talent with NRL players and the elite ones in particular, the majority of them are the very best of their age brackets right through their life. So yeah, Cronk wasnt some beer bum in the shower with no talent. The guy got where he got because he was very talented.

But absolutely no one had that guy pegged as a superstar NRL half, let alone being as great as he was. He was a solid utility player, and no one thought he was much more than that based on play.
And he didnt look anything like the player he was stylistically or skill/talent in his first 2 years in NRL. I think you're doing yourself a great disservice acting as if Bellamy didnt have a whole god damn lot to do with the player Cronk became.

I’m not saying that at all. I’m just quoting a mate who had some involvement in both league and union in Brisbane and highlighting that Cronk was a junior state and country representative in the halves and that he thinks the Cronk story has taken on a life of its own.

Put bluntly i think your mate is reaching badly. The story is the story. What happened, happened
Cronk like most young NRL players was a talent guy, you don't get to the NRL without talent, these are the best of the best, and a large % of them have junior rep footy in their background because... well they reason they've made it all the way to the NRL is because they were very talented junior footballers.
And 99% of those guys don't make... of the 1% that do, 99% of that group are not as good as Cooper Cronk ended up being. And critically, Cooper Cronk spent the first 2 years of his career looking very much like the other 99%... he was a league average footballer, bench utility that was not a game changing footballer, even when given opportunities in the starting side. You couldnt find me a soul alive who was watching this kid come off the bench and not move the needle in 2004-2005 who would have said he this was a superstar in the making. Because he wasn't, his trajectory was that of a 50-100 game journeyman.

What changed was he was given the role to be the teams primary halfback and through excellent coaching and structure and of course his own hard work and dedication, he developed into one of the best halfbacks to ever lace a boot.
That he played rep football as a junior, like virtually every other NRL footballer alive, doesn't diminish Bellamy's role in that evolution. You wont find a clearer example imo of how influencial a coach can be on a player.

[Northern Raider]

There's a lot of Cooper Cronk debate going on in the Zac Hosking thread. Couldn't be bothered reading it all. Can someone please paraphrase the points being made?

Proposition 1: Non halfback Cooper Cronk was transformed into a top line halfback through great coaching from Craig Bellamy and Matthew Johns and hard work from Cooper.

Proposition 2: Cooper Cronk was already a top line junior and rugby league talent before joining the Storm and. Craig Bellamy is overrated and had little to do with Cronk becoming a top halfback.

The correct answer is 1.


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Greeneyed you should practice what you preach about Strawmen and misrepresentation.
Your Proposition 2 is nothing like what I was saying.

Option 1 also misses some key contributors. If that was all then Bellamy and Johns could manufacture an elite half out of any player willing to do the hard work. Cronk needed the talent and football smarts to be as successful as he was.

[Northern Raider]

...also, what has Cooper Cronk got to do with Zac Hosking?

[Botman]

...also, what has Cooper Cronk got to do with Zac Hosking?

I have to say this stuff always drives me crazy, especially in the off season!
It's a forum... it's an open conversation, conversations naturally evolve... do you sit around at the pub with your mates and say "hang on, we were talking about X, why are we now talking about Y? Can we get back on topic please?"

[Northern Raider]

...also, what has Cooper Cronk got to do with Zac Hosking?

I have to say this stuff always drives me crazy, especially in the off season!
It's a forum... it's an open conversation, conversations naturally evolve... do you sit around at the pub with your mates and say "hang on, we were talking about X, why are we now talking about Y? Can we get back on topic please?"

Yes but in this situation I was in the conversation at the pub, left for a pee, returned to find a completely different topic being debated and I don't know what caused the shift.

[valiant_raider]

...also, what has Cooper Cronk got to do with Zac Hosking?

I have to say this stuff always drives me crazy, especially in the off season!
It's a forum... it's an open conversation, conversations naturally evolve... do you sit around at the pub with your mates and say "hang on, we were talking about X, why are we now talking about Y? Can we get back on topic please?"

Yes, That's exactly what I do!

Probably explains why I don't have any mates ..... Thanks for bring up that sore point Botman . You have ruined Xmas

Now please back to the topic of signing Cooper Hosking!!!

[greeneyed]

There's a lot of Cooper Cronk debate going on in the Zac Hosking thread. Couldn't be bothered reading it all. Can someone please paraphrase the points being made?

Proposition 1: Non halfback Cooper Cronk was transformed into a top line halfback through great coaching from Craig Bellamy and Matthew Johns and hard work from Cooper.

Proposition 2: Cooper Cronk was already a top line junior and rugby league talent before joining the Storm and. Craig Bellamy is overrated and had little to do with Cronk becoming a top halfback.

The correct answer is 1.


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Greeneyed you should practice what you preach about Strawmen and misrepresentation.
Your Proposition 2 is nothing like what I was saying.

I was making it simple.

[Neeeegz]

Are we signing this bloke or not ?

[Rickmando]

Are we signing this bloke or not ?

I believe Rick is still waiting for the results of Hosking’s blood tests from his medical.

Apparently there’s some uncertainty around how green it can potentially be, and his willingness to bleed it.

[Neeeegz]

Are we signing this bloke or not ?

I believe Rick is still waiting for the results of Hosking’s blood tests from his medical.

Apparently there’s some uncertainty around how green it can potentially be, and his willingness to bleed it.

Cool, I'd hate to sign a player that didn't bleed the right amount or shade of green

[gerg]

...also, what has Cooper Cronk got to do with Zac Hosking?

I have to say this stuff always drives me crazy, especially in the off season!
It's a forum... it's an open conversation, conversations naturally evolve... do you sit around at the pub with your mates and say "hang on, we were talking about X, why are we now talking about Y? Can we get back on topic please?"

Yes but in this situation I was in the conversation at the pub, left for a pee, returned to find a completely different topic being debated and I don't know what caused the shift.

How long since you've had your prostate checked?

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[-PJ-]

Anyone bleeding red is not wanted here.

It must be green.

[NoMan]

Are we signing this bloke or not ?

Clubs shut up shop until mid Jan so dont expect news until then at the earliest.

[Neeeegz]

Are we signing this bloke or not ?

Clubs shut up shop until mid Jan so dont expect news until then at the earliest.

Good point

[Kermit]

For what it’s worth, the Mole reporting Hosking would only be for 2025.

Interestingly, Luke Garner may also be on the way out

Panthers 'struggling' to keep another grand final star as salary cap bites premiers

Rumours began late last year that Hosking is set for an immediate move to the Raiders but Ricky Stuart set the record straight.

"He was just having a look around but there is no suggestion he will be here in 2024," Stuart said. "We are talking to him about 2025 and showed him around - nothing more."

Read more: https://wwos.nine.com.au/nrl/mole-news- ... 43c8521994

[bonehead]

garner is deadset hopeless

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[Matt]

garner is deadset hopeless

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Agreed

[Neeeegz]

Why would you have a b grade second rower tour the facilities and look to sign them a year out from when we need them ?
Makes no sense unless he's already blown us off and Ricky's trying to save face with another rejection

[BadnMean]

Why would you have a b grade second rower tour the facilities and look to sign them a year out from when we need them ?
Makes no sense unless he's already blown us off and Ricky's trying to save face with another rejection

Fair logic.

[RedRaider]

Why would you have a b grade second rower tour the facilities and look to sign them a year out from when we need them ?
Makes no sense unless he's already blown us off and Ricky's trying to save face with another rejection

I hope Hosking spreads the word about how good the facilities are in Canberra to some Panther juniors. They can't keep them all

[julian87]

garner is deadset hopeless

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Penrith think he’s better than Hosking so that’s not a great sign.

[Neeeegz]

Why would you have a b grade second rower tour the facilities and look to sign them a year out from when we need them ?
Makes no sense unless he's already blown us off and Ricky's trying to save face with another rejection

I hope Hosking spreads the word about how good the facilities are in Canberra to some Panther juniors. They can't keep them all

That would be nice of him red, but we pretty much need a starting edge player by the end of this year when EW retires, we have enough juniors already.

[Northern Raider]

garner is deadset hopeless

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Penrith think he’s better than Hosking so that’s not a great sign.

Didn't Garner spend half they year in reserve grade while Hosking was in Firsts?

[Riaan]

Why would you have a b grade second rower tour the facilities and look to sign them a year out from when we need them ?
Makes no sense unless he's already blown us off and Ricky's trying to save face with another rejection

Fair logic.

No it isn’t. Are you trying to say that we shouldn’t speak to anyone that isn’t available for the 2024 season????

This place is a clown show sometimes

[Neeeegz]

Why would you have a b grade second rower tour the facilities and look to sign them a year out from when we need them ?
Makes no sense unless he's already blown us off and Ricky's trying to save face with another rejection

Fair logic.

No it isn’t. Are you trying to say that we shouldn’t speak to anyone that isn’t available for the 2024 season????

This place is a clown show sometimes

Yeah this place sometimes
People like you making up something in your head then saying it's a clown show... put your clown face on and head to your circus.
Dont forget your clown shoes

[UncleDrew]

Hosking has started following the club on instagram.

[NoMan]

Done deal then.

[Beejay]

Out of interest. How do you know this? Is it manually checking? Or is there some other way?

[-TW-]

Signed effective immediately.

Zac Hosking signs with the Raiders

The Canberra Raiders can confirm the signing of Penrith Panthers backrower Zac Hosking on a three-year deal effective immediately.

Hosking will join the Raiders until the end of the 2026 season, after playing 25 NRL games for both Brisbane and Penrith.

Hosking appeared in 21 matches in 2023, playing a pivotal role in Penrith's premiership winning season.

The 26-year-old will bring vital experience and depth to the Raiders squad, having played in both the second row and centres.

Raiders NRL Recruitment Manager Joel Carbone said Hosking would be a great addition to the squad and is excited to see him join the club for the remainder of the pre-season.

“The Canberra Raiders are incredibly excited to announce the signing of Zac Hosking. In the brief time we’ve known Zac, and through watching him play in the NRL over the last few seasons, it’s evident that his work ethic, ability, and character will be great additions to our Club," Carbone said.

"He also adds some versatility to our squad having played several positions in his career and we’re delighted to have him on board."

"We’d like to take this opportunity to thank the Penrith Panthers for their professionalism and transparency throughout this process.”

Canberra Raiders media release

Read more: https://www.raiders.com.au/news/2024/01 ... sNkrvgf__o

[Neeeegz]

Egg on my face again, hope this turns out to be a great signing