zim wrote:Some horrible calls in this thread. Coke zero is a poor mans pepsi max but at least it's no diet coke.
Vanilla Pepsi Max
Vanilla Coke Zero
Pepsi Max
Coke Zero
Diet coke belongs in the bin
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Fat Coke or kill me
If it’s good for the Doc, it’s good for me.
FTR: The Fui household is a Coke Zero household. Pepsi Max at a pinch. Can’t remember the last time I had full strength.
Also, forget calling it Coke No Sugar. That’s the line I’m drawing. It’ll always be Coke Zero
Feel free to call me RickyRicky StickStick if you like. I will also accept Super Fui, King Brad, Kid Dynamite, Chocolate-Thunda... or Brad.
Nickman's love of NSW
NSW has done a superb job - 18/12/2020
NSW has been world-class with their approach to date, that's a fact. - 04/02/2021
ACT has joined NSW with more than 80% of over 16's having had a first dose. Reading in today's paper that WA are looking to set up buses full of vaccines and take the doses to remote parts of WA to improve the take up rate. https://www.health.gov.au/sites/default ... r-2021.pdf
Interesting information from the Herald Sun on vaccine hesitancy. If there is no immediate outbreak threat then there is more vaccine hesitancy.
Delta driving down jab hesitancy: More Australians are willing to roll up there sleeves and get a Covid-19 jab amid major Delta variant outbreaks. The latest Melbourne Institute vaccine hesitancy tracker shows the number of Victorians unwilling to be vaccinated has plunged to a mere 7 per cent, down from almost 18 per cent in mid-June, The Australian reports: https://www.theaustralian.com.au/nation ... 87c8476d55
That makes sense, but the irony is that the hesitancy in states that have no outbreak yet means that when an outbreak occurs,’they have to lock down while vaccines catch up. If they had no hesitancy, they could avoid lockdowns all together.
Nothing like a bit of death and destruction to fuel motivation. I routinely mention Bexsero, a vaccine for Meningococcal B not included on the childhood vaccination schedule which can be self funded. Parents that have known people or who have had personal experience with Meningococcal disease require no convincing.
Let's not pretend we don't know why people have been hesitant. Lack of supply of the safest vaccine, due to the failure of the federal government's vaccine program. People have been following the ATAGI advice in taking the vaccines that are safest for them, depending on the circumstances. They're now being forced into taking the vaccine previously not recommended for them, due the uncontrolled outbreaks. The vast bulk of the population is not somehow "to blame" for the current situation.
greeneyed wrote:Let's not pretend we don't know why people have been hesitant. Lack of supply of the safest vaccine, due to the failure of the federal government's vaccine program. People have been following the ATAGI advice in taking the vaccines that are safest for them, depending on the circumstances. They're now being forced into taking the vaccine previously not recommended for them, due the uncontrolled outbreaks.
Yeah, na that's not it. No covid here. Lots of hesitation. Lots of not checking in. Lots of not wearing masks. No doubt there is a proportion of the population that has hung out for an mRNA vaccine, but there are plenty just not willing to be vaccinated. For now. Like Ive said before, there will be less antivaxxers by the end of next year. Some will be dead. Others will know people who have died and will have got the vaccine.
But that doesn't seem to match up with the significant shortages of nRNA vaccines in jurisdictions where those are the recommended vaccines for large parts of the population. It is a bit rough criticising people who want the vaccine recommended as safest for them.
greeneyed wrote:But that doesn't seem to match up with the significant shortages of nRNA vaccines in jurisdictions where those are the recommended vaccines for large parts of the population. It is a bit rough criticising people who want the vaccine recommended as safest for them.
Pfizer is now available to everyone in Queensland. They had a Max Vax weekend this weekend. All come, all served Pfizer.
Speaking to a local specialist in large private clinic on Friday evening, there are at least three of his admin who have said that they will not be vaccinated. All for Bull reasons. I've no doubt that if there was an outbreak they'd be banging on the doors demanding their vaccines.
greeneyed wrote:Try telling that to the families of the people who've died taking AZ due to blood clotting.
0.00001240740%
134 cases out of 10.8 million doses
Seems pretty safe to me.
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That’s your assessment, but wasn’t the assessment of the ATAGI, while there was no outbreak situation, for large swathes of the population. Relative risks, not absolutes, are the important thing in these decisions. If one vaccine carries risk of death, and another effectively doesn’t… most people choose the latter, in the absence of a greater risk.
greeneyed wrote:Try telling that to the families of the people who've died taking AZ due to blood clotting.
0.00001240740%
134 cases out of 10.8 million doses
Seems pretty safe to me.
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That’s your assessment, but wasn’t the assessment of the ATAGI, while there was no outbreak situation, for large swathes of the population. Relative risks, not absolutes, are the important thing in these decisions. If one vaccine carries risk of death, and another effectively doesn’t… most people choose the latter, in the absence of a greater risk.
Read the amended post. Also it's the TGAs assessment, otherwise it wouldn't have been approved for use for people 18+
Pretty much everything in life carries an element of risk. If the benefit outweighs the risk then it's a no brainer.
greeneyed wrote:But that doesn't seem to match up with the significant shortages of nRNA vaccines in jurisdictions where those are the recommended vaccines for large parts of the population. It is a bit rough criticising people who want the vaccine recommended as safest for them.
Pfizer is now available to everyone in Queensland. They had a Max Vax weekend this weekend. All come, all served Pfizer.
Speaking to a local specialist in large private clinic on Friday evening, there are at least three of his admin who have said that they will not be vaccinated. All for Bull reasons. I've no doubt that if there was an outbreak they'd be banging on the doors demanding their vaccines.
Thanks. I just had a look at the reports. Didn’t seem to be any shortage of people wanting the vaccines, the bigger problem seemed to be people waiting for hours and being turned away when supply ran out in places.
If there are people refusing Pfizer or Moderna, simply because they are anti-vaxers (I’m not talking about people with genuine medical reasons), that’s their choice… but I’m with you, as it will unfortunately have negative potential impacts on others, including those in the health system who must care for the ill.
greeneyed wrote:But that doesn't seem to match up with the significant shortages of nRNA vaccines in jurisdictions where those are the recommended vaccines for large parts of the population. It is a bit rough criticising people who want the vaccine recommended as safest for them.
Pfizer is now available to everyone in Queensland. They had a Max Vax weekend this weekend. All come, all served Pfizer.
Speaking to a local specialist in large private clinic on Friday evening, there are at least three of his admin who have said that they will not be vaccinated. All for Bull reasons. I've no doubt that if there was an outbreak they'd be banging on the doors demanding their vaccines.
Thanks. I just had a look at the reports. Didn’t seem to be any shortage of people wanting the vaccines, the bigger problem seemed to be people waiting for hours and being turned away when supply ran out in places.
If there are people refusing Pfizer or Moderna, simply because they are anti-vaxers (I’m not talking about people with genuine medical reasons), that’s their choice… but I’m with you, as it will unfortunately have negative potential impacts on others, including those in the health system who must care for the ill.
And that's my point, many of those people will change their tune when they have real life experience with the disease.
Schifty wrote:NSW's 90% milestone is starting to drift out a bit.
I guess it will come down to how much of their population is anti vax. I think Canberra will get well over 90%.
Should be a formality for the ACT. Centralised population. Highly educated. NSW, NT, QLD, WA, SA are going to have to deal with very remote communities. Northern NSW and SE Queensland significant antivaxxer populations.
-TW- wrote: ↑September 19, 2021, 9:14 pm
Read the amended post. Also it's the TGAs assessment, otherwise it wouldn't have been approved for use for people 18+
Pretty much everything in life carries an element of risk. If the benefit outweighs the risk then it's a no brainer.
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I don’t disagree with that. That’s why I wrote about relative risks. ATAGI’s advice varies depending on whether an outbreak exists. As the relative risks change. The word “safe” is an absolute term. I don’t consider a vaccine with a side effect of dying as being “safe”, and certainly not relative to one without that side effect. The unconstrained choice is obvious. But if there’s an outbreak of COVID and your only choice is the vaccine which carries a lower risk of death, then you take the vaccine. It’s all relative.
Dr Zaius wrote: ↑September 19, 2021, 9:30 pm
Gladys balls of steel, or reckless? Time will tell.
But just to clarify, Are both models based on double vaccinations? Vic has previously spoken as single jabs being some kind of target for restriction easing.
Dr Zaius wrote: ↑September 19, 2021, 9:30 pm
Gladys balls of steel, or reckless? Time will tell.
But just to clarify, Are both models based on double vaccinations? Vic has previously spoken as single jabs being some kind of target for restriction easing.
As TW said, they've already hit 70% single jab, and there was some slight easing, similar to NSWs. The easings presented above are for 70% both states.
Currently NSW are tracking to hit 80% 13 days after 70%. The unlocking the Monday after 70% is puzzling. Not sure they don't just say one week.
Just say they hit 70% on the Monday, it's a full week until restrictions ease, and only 6 days out from 80%. But if they hit 70% on the Sunday, it's just one day until restrictions ease, and 12 days until they get to 80%
Mickey_Raider wrote: ↑September 17, 2021, 6:51 pm
I think Cat seems to have a score to settle over what she perceives to be unwarranted criticism of NSW.
I don't think the criticism is unwarranted just because other states failed to control delta. I think early and hard lockdowns give you a chance. They may fail, but it is a chance. Not giving yourself that optimal chance of containment deserves criticism.
Now in saying that, I thought that we were starting to move into a new phase of COVID in Australia, where we recognise the only viable path out of lockdown in NSW, VIC and even maybe the ACT is just vaxxing ASAP. The quibbling over this restriction or that restriction not being tight enough/being too tight seems to have fallen away a bit and is now totally subsumed by vaccinations.
I have been very critical of Gladys and the team but more and more every isolated move is becoming a little less significant in the grand scheme of things. The cat is out of the bag and it kind of is what it is. It is all about vax rates now. Let's just hurry up and hit those targets so I can go get a haircut and hit the pub again.
Mickey - GEs criticism is unwarranted and unfair. You can see the bias from a mile away. Whether it is in politics lifestyle or football GE has an axe to grind against NSW and doesnt cast the same lens over QLD.
You, yourself, criticize the NSW government, primarily because it isnt a labor govt (I think) or maybe you would be equally harsh on a labor govt, who knows one day I suppose we will get to find out .
The only way out of these sorts of problems is we all either get sick and lots die, or we vaccinate - closed borders/lockdowns are a band aid buying time not a solution.
Being realistic, QLDers and WA are not getting vaccinated in the same numbers as southern states.
There are some ridiculous assertions there re bias. To suggest someone has an "axe to grind" against "a State" and all dimensions of it are ridiculous. My assessments in relation to the performance of the NSW government in this space are fully spelled out and well based. If I've made a mistake, I've corrected the record, with facts and sources.
Cat, like you is a well respected member of our community.
She pointed out where she thought you were wrong or (you could asser lieing) and I am not sure you ever responded to her despite repeated requests that I could see.
Since we are now gentleman offering suggestions to eachother, my suggestion would be for you to have a glass of water or a cup of tea, reread over my post and empathise as to why it is that I perceive you to have such a large bias against NSW not just the government by the way - the people, the state the everything.
As for your suggestion about withdrawing my statement, I respectfully decline and note that I would prefer to double down on it as a brief review of your posting history will show it is a particularly accurate statement.
Now shall we move on to more pressing matters, vaccination rates / testing.. NSW again looking good / good numbers today too despite more people being out and about in parks on the weekend then ever before in this lock down.
papabear wrote: ↑September 20, 2021, 11:01 am
You, yourself, criticize the NSW government, primarily because it isnt a labor govt (I think) or maybe you would be equally harsh on a labor govt, who knows one day I suppose we will get to find out .
No, you think wrong. I criticised them primarily for their hubris and incompetence circa June/July. For dithering on lockdowns and their piecemeal approach once finally implemented. Then most recently for an announcement to end pressers, which they appear to have walked back from once realising it was ill-advised.
As I said a few days back though, in recent times all of this quibbling over x or y restriction being too harsh/lax appears to have fallen away to the main game - which is the the vaccination race.
A race which the NSW government has since done its part well. And we can be cautiously optimistic that we may have hit a vax pre-target peak in case numbers. If so, good news.
But a race it always was. Which is why I am sorry to say the feds are getting pilloried - and it has nothing to do with them not being a Labor government.
papabear wrote: ↑September 20, 2021, 11:01 am
You, yourself, criticize the NSW government, primarily because it isnt a labor govt (I think) or maybe you would be equally harsh on a labor govt, who knows one day I suppose we will get to find out .
No, you think wrong. I criticised them primarily for their hubris and incompetence circa June/July. For dithering on lockdowns and their piecemeal approach once finally implemented. Then most recently for an announcement to end pressers, which they appear to have walked back from once realising it was ill-advised.
As I said a few days back though, in recent times all of this quibbling over x or y restriction being too harsh/lax appears to have fallen away to the main game - which is the the vaccination race.
A race which the NSW government has since done its part well. And we can be cautiously optimistic that we may have hit a vax pre-target peak in case numbers. If so, good news.
But a race it always was. Which is why I am sorry to say the feds are getting pilloried - and it has nothing to do with them not being a Labor government.
tbh no need to apologise, pilloring govts is what a healthy politics forum should be about!
greeneyed wrote: ↑September 19, 2021, 8:31 pm
Let's not pretend we don't know why people have been hesitant. Lack of supply of the safest vaccine, due to the failure of the federal government's vaccine program. People have been following the ATAGI advice in taking the vaccines that are safest for them, depending on the circumstances. They're now being forced into taking the vaccine previously not recommended for them, due the uncontrolled outbreaks. The vast bulk of the population is not somehow "to blame" for the current situation.
All vaccines are safe, Australia does not allow the administration of any drug that is not safe!
We waited for proper approval in Australia by our own experts as we were in a better place then Uk and USA who rushed ahead their approval given the situation they are in.
All vaccine in Australia is safe!
Stop pushing your agenda against the government!
People are hesitant because of cultural reasons ( the Islamic population for a start and Islander population) or are just anti vax/anti government
If you talk to people about why they aren't vaccinated the most common one you will hear is cultural NOT because the vaccine isnt safe
My current prediction is NSW will hit the 70% double vax around October 6th with the 80% around October 18th with 90% hit by the 1st week in Nov.
Some inner city and far north coast areas will struggle to hit 60% and it will be interesting to see how they handle not being able to open/ do things.
At this rate qld and WA will be left behind, not reaching 70% till Feb next year