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Who is advising albo to do interviews with a poodle on his lap, I mean way to pull the votes albo.

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Question wrote:Who is advising albo to do interviews with a poodle on his lap, I mean way to pull the votes albo.

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Atleast it isnt a pussy i suppose, Havent had much to do with poodles so probably being a bit racist.

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I haven’t dealt with them much either, but all the Poodle X’s are in at the moment.

I say that while my two Spitzoodles are looking back at me
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Haha, youll give them a complex Fui, go give em a hug for me mate.

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Btw i cant stand staffys, im a border collie man myself.

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Yeah I don’t mind a Staffy. They warmed to me as a breed when I was a Meter Reader. You meet a lot of Dogs in that job.

The one that stood out to me was this Scottish Terrier. The meter box was around the back of the house, so I had to go through the garage and into the backyard. This little legend was in a pen along with the box, with a water gun hanging on the fence. He was sitting, staring at me. I opened the gate and the dog bolted. I spent 15 mins chasing this little guy down the street, finally catching him when he hid under someone’s front stair.

I carried him back, and the owner told me I was meant to squirt him with the water gun, and go into the pen while he was distracted by the water.
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So...

Are the LNP getting returned again in a few months or what?
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Depends on what dog Scomo gets interviewed with.
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Mickey_Raider wrote: January 9, 2022, 4:12 pm So...

Are the LNP getting returned again in a few months or what?
:thumbsup They've done a good job, all thing considered.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poe%27s_law

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Well the GH now has an elected mayor as a member.

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Schifty wrote: January 13, 2022, 10:02 am Well the GH now has an elected mayor as a member.

The first step to wrestling control of the Canberra Raiders Board has been completed.
And not a moment too soon
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Yeah Scomo needs to get it, or atleast pretend hes got it, to win the next election, watch this space.

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Actually looking at the alternatives scomo could EDIT and still get in, and perrottet has some balls , i like that.

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Not overly surprised by this. icare copped the same criticism while under the reign of Dom. Spend crazy on middle management and senior execs, share the blame when you don’t support front line workers
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Has the labor party ever cut down the number of EL positions in any government?

By the way I think the growth of the overpaid over hyped middle management of the NSW Govt is a bit sad.
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papabear wrote:Has the labor party ever cut down the number of EL positions in any government?

By the way I think the growth of the overpaid over hyped middle management of the NSW Govt is a bit sad.
Yes. When Abbott came to power it was claimed that they decreased the public service considerably. However Abbott and his supporters pointed out that Gillard/Rudd had reduced the public service prior to the Liberal party gaining power.
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gergreg wrote: January 18, 2022, 1:44 pm
papabear wrote:Has the labor party ever cut down the number of EL positions in any government?

By the way I think the growth of the overpaid over hyped middle management of the NSW Govt is a bit sad.
Yes. When Abbott came to power it was claimed that they decreased the public service considerably. However Abbott and his supporters pointed out that Gillard/Rudd had reduced the public service prior to the Liberal party gaining power.
That is going to cause a fair bit of cognitive dissonance.

Much like those who cling to the "vibe" that the LNP are the lower taxing government when actually the two highest taxing governments over the past 60 odd years are the Howard and Morrison governments. And yes that includes the Whitlam government too.

Another classic is the vibe that the LNP are somehow more "fiscally responsible", despite doubling net debt before COVID.

To be clear, the LNP are failing on many fronts, but the above two metrics are those they literally set for themselves as to why they should be in government. And they are second best even on those.
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gergreg wrote: January 18, 2022, 1:44 pm
papabear wrote:Has the labor party ever cut down the number of EL positions in any government?

By the way I think the growth of the overpaid over hyped middle management of the NSW Govt is a bit sad.
Yes. When Abbott came to power it was claimed that they decreased the public service considerably. However Abbott and his supporters pointed out that Gillard/Rudd had reduced the public service prior to the Liberal party gaining power.
Total public service level isn’t really the point here.

Increasing teachers / nurses / police where needed is all good in the hood.

It’s the size of ELs both from a tax payer perspective and a distorting the economy perspective.
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Mickey_Raider wrote: January 18, 2022, 3:33 pm
gergreg wrote: January 18, 2022, 1:44 pm
papabear wrote:Has the labor party ever cut down the number of EL positions in any government?

By the way I think the growth of the overpaid over hyped middle management of the NSW Govt is a bit sad.
Yes. When Abbott came to power it was claimed that they decreased the public service considerably. However Abbott and his supporters pointed out that Gillard/Rudd had reduced the public service prior to the Liberal party gaining power.
That is going to cause a fair bit of cognitive dissonance.

Much like those who cling to the "vibe" that the LNP are the lower taxing government when actually the two highest taxing governments over the past 60 odd years are the Howard and Morrison governments. And yes that includes the Whitlam government too.

Another classic is the vibe that the LNP are somehow more "fiscally responsible", despite doubling net debt before COVID.

To be clear, the LNP are failing on many fronts, but the above two metrics are those they literally set for themselves as to why they should be in government. And they are second best even on those.
last time I looked at the data generally speak labor were dreadful when it came to not producing a massive deficit.

Whereas the liberal / coalition were ok.

As for the general tax take - I dont find this point persuasive as Howard bought in the GST specifically to get more money in so this was always going to happen. FTR I supported labor at this point, and stand by my position on not giving money to the govt when it can be avoided.

As for the general balance of the budget.

IMO - two massive things should be addressed:-
- 1 - individual higher incomes are taxed too high. Company tax rates should never have been decreased.
- 2 - There is too much Family Tax benefit / single parent support etc etc where it makes financial sense for people both earning 80k to 'split' and tbh at this point theres every chance they are receiving more in cash from the govt then they are paying back through direct taxes.

What I would like to see:-
- 1 - income tax rates at the top end decreased so as not to motivate people to minimise their income. I would also look at having less tax brackets, potentially upping the 18200 no tax bracket having one lower bracket to 50-60k, then everyone on the top bracket.
- 2 - company tax rates - increased up to 30% - potentially even higher to 35% to marry up with the top income tax rate.
- 3 - I would get rid of Family tax benefit A and B, I would also look at tightening up the single parent support system, I would also fix up the child support system.

Of all three of the above I see labor staying away from it all, whereas the coalition will be stupid on company tax and may one day move the top tax rate down by a piss ant amount.

I would also abolish:-
- Capital Gains Tax - being taxed on holding assets that dont get depreciated by the government printing money is offensive to me.
- With CGT gone you can get rid off claiming tax deductions on your income from negatively geared property / shares / other assets...

Of the above - I dont see any govt ever cedeing the above territory, but imo it will go towards making a fairer more equitable country.
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papabear wrote: January 18, 2022, 4:18 pm As for the general tax take - I dont find this point persuasive as Howard bought in the GST specifically to get more money in so this was always going to happen.
Trying to get my head around your logic here.

So the data shows that Labor is in fact the lower taxing government....but this is not persuasive because the Howard government...introduced a tax?

:hmmm

Sounds like the sizzling sound of cognitive dissonance.
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papabear wrote:
gergreg wrote: January 18, 2022, 1:44 pm
papabear wrote:Has the labor party ever cut down the number of EL positions in any government?

By the way I think the growth of the overpaid over hyped middle management of the NSW Govt is a bit sad.
Yes. When Abbott came to power it was claimed that they decreased the public service considerably. However Abbott and his supporters pointed out that Gillard/Rudd had reduced the public service prior to the Liberal party gaining power.
Total public service level isn’t really the point here.

Increasing teachers / nurses / police where needed is all good in the hood.

It’s the size of ELs both from a tax payer perspective and a distorting the economy perspective.
I'm not sure this distinction or level of detail is made public?

Edit, actually you could probably find this information if you dig around, Annual Reports will show it but I'm not sure if the data is published in one place? The keyword/s here are "you".
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gergreg wrote: January 18, 2022, 6:15 pm
papabear wrote:
gergreg wrote: January 18, 2022, 1:44 pm
papabear wrote:Has the labor party ever cut down the number of EL positions in any government?

By the way I think the growth of the overpaid over hyped middle management of the NSW Govt is a bit sad.
Yes. When Abbott came to power it was claimed that they decreased the public service considerably. However Abbott and his supporters pointed out that Gillard/Rudd had reduced the public service prior to the Liberal party gaining power.
Total public service level isn’t really the point here.

Increasing teachers / nurses / police where needed is all good in the hood.

It’s the size of ELs both from a tax payer perspective and a distorting the economy perspective.
I'm not sure this distinction or level of detail is made public?

Edit, actually you could probably find this information if you dig around, Annual Reports will show it but I'm not sure if the data is published in one place? The keyword/s here are "you".
I am good, I am sure if either political party can show the data showing them in a positive light against their opposition they will share it with us soon enough :)
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Mickey_Raider wrote: January 18, 2022, 6:00 pm
papabear wrote: January 18, 2022, 4:18 pm As for the general tax take - I dont find this point persuasive as Howard bought in the GST specifically to get more money in so this was always going to happen.
Trying to get my head around your logic here.

So the data shows that Labor is in fact the lower taxing government....but this is not persuasive because the Howard government...introduced a tax?

:hmmm

Sounds like the sizzling sound of cognitive dissonance.
Spare me the use of cognitive dissonance.

I will try and flesh my position out a bit more so hopefully I can avoid copping a new word you hear yesterday that you thought made you sound intelligent.

The total tax take isn't the general argument against the labor party, the general argument is that they tend to spend way more then they bring in. Which the data supports. People dont generally think the liberal /coalition are low taxing federal government, they may think they are better then labor to a greater extent (if at all) then they are... but this is not the general argument used.

The total tax take, tends to increase (except recently with the economy in a funny place) as time goes on as inflation takes hold...

That all said, I do think you have a point in that if people are voting for the coalition because they consider them lower taxing then that point isn't accurate nor borne out in the data might be accurate, I am just not sure that is the case.

In any event, I can't speak for what other people vote for, only what I would. My economic thoughts I have made clear where I stand, and to be honest I am leaning into voting on environmental points heavier and heavier...

Out of interest, how and why do you vote a certain way?
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papabear wrote: January 19, 2022, 1:16 pm The total tax take isn't the general argument against the labor party, the general argument is that they tend to spend way more then they bring in. Which the data supports.
papabear wrote: January 19, 2022, 1:16 pm The total tax take, tends to increase (except recently with the economy in a funny place) as time goes on as inflation takes hold...
The data does not support this. The data shows that in terms of taxes relative to GDP — that is as a percentage of GDP — Labor is the lower taxing party. We are not talking about some situation whereby the gross taxation is higher only because the economy has boomed or inflated under the Coalition and as a corollary so too has the gross tax take.
papabear wrote: January 19, 2022, 1:16 pm People dont generally think the liberal /coalition are low taxing federal government, they may think they are better then labor to a greater extent (if at all) then they are... but this is not the general argument used.
papabear wrote: January 19, 2022, 1:16 pm That all said, I do think you have a point in that if people are voting for the coalition because they consider them lower taxing then that point isn't accurate nor borne out in the data might be accurate, I am just not sure that is the case.

In any event, I can't speak for what other people vote for, only what I would.
Can't agree with the above. The reason why the likes of Frydenberg and Morrison continue to sloganeer that they are the government of low taxes and fiscal responsibility ad nauseam is because they know it is fertile ground. Even though government is as bloated as it has ever been and taxes are higher and the debt larger than it has ever been; it appears to accord with the "vibe" and ethos of what a Liberal government stands for. So they continue to say it and it continues to be accepted by a large cross section of society.
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papabear wrote:
Mickey_Raider wrote: January 18, 2022, 6:00 pm
papabear wrote: January 18, 2022, 4:18 pm As for the general tax take - I dont find this point persuasive as Howard bought in the GST specifically to get more money in so this was always going to happen.
Trying to get my head around your logic here.

So the data shows that Labor is in fact the lower taxing government....but this is not persuasive because the Howard government...introduced a tax?

:hmmm

Sounds like the sizzling sound of cognitive dissonance.
Spare me the use of cognitive dissonance.

I will try and flesh my position out a bit more so hopefully I can avoid copping a new word you hear yesterday that you thought made you sound intelligent.

The total tax take isn't the general argument against the labor party, the general argument is that they tend to spend way more then they bring in. Which the data supports. People dont generally think the liberal /coalition are low taxing federal government, they may think they are better then labor to a greater extent (if at all) then they are... but this is not the general argument used.

The total tax take, tends to increase (except recently with the economy in a funny place) as time goes on as inflation takes hold...

That all said, I do think you have a point in that if people are voting for the coalition because they consider them lower taxing then that point isn't accurate nor borne out in the data might be accurate, I am just not sure that is the case.

In any event, I can't speak for what other people vote for, only what I would. My economic thoughts I have made clear where I stand, and to be honest I am leaning into voting on environmental points heavier and heavier...

Out of interest, how and why do you vote a certain way?
Environmental points? I never took you for an Australian Greens voter, but good on you!
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Does anyone have any children or grandchildren they would like to volunteer for forklift duty to save the supply chains?
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Botman should have passed that on thru his linage.

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ST marys/ The Riff lost a goodun that day.

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Do Forklift licenses expire? I got one when I was 18. I’ll put my hand up.

When I first moved to Sydney, this old guy I boarded with told me to get my RSA and Forklift licenses and I can get work anywhere in the world. Looks like the time is now for Fui
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They expire mate, ya just need to renew at the post office.

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A job for tomorrow then.
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