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[Matt]

Monday Round Up

- Eagles thoughts are above, but the frustrating thing about this game is Hurts showed some ability to pass and Smith is a bonafided star, he's been uncoverable all year, its good to finally see him get the rewards for that. The catch over Surtain was spectacular.
- The Broncos were beaten down this game much the way they did some beating last week. This is just sort of the team they are, week to week you're not going to know which team shows up.

- The jets stink bombs continue to pile up, this time White Mike turned back into a pumpkin. They're banged up and not very talented but you'd have to have alarm bells ringing given the lack of defensive intensity and identity. Offensively, the back end of this year is going to be important for Zach Wilson, you want to see some progression.
- Not a lot to say about the Bills, they rolled and did it pretty easy. I will say for them it was good to see Diggs be featured in the offence, they'll need that to continue to get where they want to go. Think Matt Breida gave that running game something, think they should give him more run there

- Very odd performance from the Bucs and particular Tom Brady who looked miserable. Brady and these Bucs seem to have a game like this in them but they're usually good enough to win. Today they were out played and out coached. Not ideal coming off a bye. But im sure they'll be fine.
- Really good performance from WFT. They came in with a really good plan and executed quite well. Chase Young is out for the year and that's a real shame, he was starting to heat up. This is the type of performance that might convince WFT that Heineke can be the guy. He can't.

- The Falcons came in here with high hopes and absolutely got steam rolled. Think a few things went against them early in this game and it all snowballed very quickly against a team who was determined to have a bounce back game. Bury the tape game
- Cowboys had to have this kind of performance to just cleanse the palate after that broncos game. They fired on all cylinders and put the doubts about them to bed, for now we can probably assume that was an outlier.

- The titans survive and but this was not a great performance given what the Saints offence is without a real QB and no AK. They were lucky to survive too. This team is one im really struggling to buy into. Without Julio now for at least 3 weeks.
- Really impressed with the offensive plan from the Saints, they hung in this game and could have won and maybe should have if not for a very bad roughing call to negate a red zone INT and a bad penalty on the 2 point to tie it up. They will need a QB though. And this is an aggressive org... very curious to see what they do.

- Jags defence is really making improvements. They're stringing some games together now and being competitive. They need to invest in some real help for Lawrence, he's throwing to a return man who is failed on multiple rosters as his key guy. Etienne coming back next year would help.
- Wentz Watch: Another full game of full snaps and the colts are in the wildcard race. 3 games to go to secure the first. LFG.
But really not a good performance to limp home against the Jags and have so many punts and 3 and outs. They're OK but a long way off contending.

- FIGHTIN DANS GET A DRAW... they should have had a win if the **** kicker didnt shank it like you wouldnt believe. Goff is an utter disaster. Just can not deliver for the life of him. They should just cut him and move on, they got their picks.
- Mason Ruldolph is not the long term answer, he's not even the answer for the back up job. Dude just isnt good, and really is consistently not good. Their Qb issues continue to plague them. Another fascinating win now veteran team needing a win now qb for 2022.

- The brownies did the thing in their pants again. Same old Browns. Without Chubb and the game being on Bakers arm, and he was absolutely dreadful. Granted he's playing fairly banged up but it's a problem, defensively they had a big let down game.
- The Pats did whatever the hell they wanted, Mac had his best game of his rookie campaign by far. This team might be a sneaky AFC contender. They're not THAT good, but they know what they're good at and they hit that stuff time and time again. That's a good recipe in a not great AFC?

- The chargers can dread it, run from it. Destiny arrives all the same. They just keep charging. They shouldnt have lost this game. They're far better. I really dont like the way they have Herbert playing. They've got a F1 race car and are plotting around the car park in first gear with it right now. Unlesh Herbert with aggressive down field throws.
- Vikings come out on top of a close game, and i really liked that they seemed to understand Justin Jefferson is monster and they should just feed the guy. He made play after play after play. They should pass more, even if they have Dalvin Cook.

- Cardinals finally hit the skids. Not going to read too much into it, expected this performance last week, instead it came here. No Murray or Hopkins, they're 8-2, no need to panic. Get healthy and get back on track
- Really fun performance from the Panthers, Cam gave them a real lift on and off the field. He'll be their starter next week and i think he'll be good for them. CMC looked to be back to his best again too. Defence dominated.

- Seattle were awful. Wilson was awful. Not as bad as his over produced pre game nonsense about him being back and being called wolverine, and rehabbing 49 hours a day, and how maraculous this come back is... brother, friend... you were gone for 3 weeks, we barely noticed. Relax. Also, maybe you should have given it another week or two
- Not a very strong performance from the packers either, very rusty, but at least Adams was invovled in the game again. Defensively they're improving and they're getting healthy... Aaron Jones injury could be a big blow, but AJ Dillion is a TRUCK.

- Raiders distractions finally catching up with them. The defence is struggling now, the offence is missing it's deep threat and teams are squatting on Waller. Djax had a very strange play, but he's got those in him. Feels like a team that is dropping out of the race, not building into it.
- First really good KC performance in weeks. They were extremely effecient and effective offensively. Defensively they made plays and were opportunitic. It's only the Raiders so we'll see, but a performance to build off... and for all the hand wringing about the Chiefs. They're still winning the division and probably good SB odds right now

I really like Dillon. But has a fumble in him. If he cleans that up, he will be very dependable, on top of monster

[Botman]

Didnt see that coming at all

The Rams were awful, stafford was awful... and the niners and deebo just ran all over their stupid faces
Not sure why, but i REALLY like to see McVey fail, even though he coaches a style of play i quite like

[gerg]

Didnt see that coming at all

The Rams were awful, stafford was awful... and the niners and deebo just ran all over their stupid faces
Not sure why, but i REALLY like to see McVey fail, even though he coaches a style of play i quite like

Something going on in that locker room? They are a good side but pretty inconsistent, like their heads aren't in the right place. OBJ is going to fully destroy that locker room if there's merely a crack.

[Botman]

Didnt see that coming at all

The Rams were awful, stafford was awful... and the niners and deebo just ran all over their stupid faces
Not sure why, but i REALLY like to see McVey fail, even though he coaches a style of play i quite like

Something going on in that locker room? They are a good side but pretty inconsistent, like their heads aren't in the right place. OBJ is going to fully destroy that locker room if there's merely a crack.

Haha maybe he's already done it!

No, honestly i think its this... and no one in the NFL media is talking about it because that's not the narrative... but this is what Matt Stafford has been all his career. He's as talented as any, and one the right day there are few QBs better than him... but he isnt consistently that good and often has let down games, he played for the lions so all anyone talked about was the wow games and assumed theyd disappear when he left the lions. McVey too! His offences have always had these weird games where it all breaks down, and we just all blamed Goff when those games happened.
But its a combination of McVey and Stafford's being a teeny, tiny bit overrated.

[Matt]

Didnt see that coming at all

The Rams were awful, stafford was awful... and the niners and deebo just ran all over their stupid faces
Not sure why, but i REALLY like to see McVey fail, even though he coaches a style of play i quite like

Something going on in that locker room? They are a good side but pretty inconsistent, like their heads aren't in the right place. OBJ is going to fully destroy that locker room if there's merely a crack.

Haha maybe he's already done it!

No, honestly i think its this... and no one in the NFL media is talking about it because that's not the narrative... but this is what Matt Stafford has been all his career. He's as talented as any, and one the right day there are few QBs better than him... but he isnt consistently that good and often has let down games, he played for the lions so all anyone talked about was the wow games and assumed theyd disappear when he left the lions. McVey too! His offences have always had these weird games where it all breaks down, and we just all blamed Goff when those games happened.
But its a combination of McVey and Stafford's being a teeny, tiny bit overrated.

Yeah... but the 9ers offense stinks... Jimmy G can't pass his way out of a wet paper bag. So **** happened on the defensive side of the ball???

[Botman]

Shanahan has owned McVey
They've beaten up on the rams a lot. And Shanny was in his bag today, this is the type of game film junkies watch and come out on pods saying Kyle Shanahan is an offensive genius.
The way he used Deebo Samuel to minipulate the defence to get certain looks, and give Jimmy G easy answers was pretty fun.
Also credit where it's due, this was a good Jimmy G game. He leaned into Kittle and Deebo and put it on them, in some tight windows

[Northern Raider]

I think in general the Rams are overrated. Same can be said for quite a few teams. The amount of upsets in recent weeks you cannot take any result for granted. A lot will come down to form at the right end of the season.

[Matt]

I think in general the Rams are overrated. Same can be said for quite a few teams. The amount of upsets in recent weeks you cannot take any result for granted. A lot will come down to form at the right end of the season.

Agreed

[Matt]

Pats are going to be a "pest" come playoffs. They are good enough to make your life difficult.

Falcons, TBF, had Pitts, Gage and Davis as their 1st string offence. They were always gonna suck. But 3 QBs all throwing INTs, that's gold!

[Botman]

Pats are going to be a "pest" come playoffs. They are good enough to make your life difficult.

Falcons, TBF, had Pitts, Gage and Davis as their 1st string offence. They were always gonna suck. But 3 QBs all throwing INTs, that's gold!

That was a miserable game. the Falcons were just overmatched on the OL
and if you want to know how good Kyle Pitts is, go and watch how BB and the Pats treated that guy... They bracketed him in zone coverage like he was peak Tony Gonzalez /Antonio Gates

The film will tell you just how much respect that staff has for Pitts as a weapon.

I think the Pats will be more than a pest. I said it a week (few?) ago, they've not a super good team but they do know what they're good at. And they pound the abolutely **** out of the things they're good at. They're a legit AFC contender imo

[Matt]

Pats are going to be a "pest" come playoffs. They are good enough to make your life difficult.

Falcons, TBF, had Pitts, Gage and Davis as their 1st string offence. They were always gonna suck. But 3 QBs all throwing INTs, that's gold!

That was a miserable game. the Falcons were just overmatched on the OL
and if you want to know how good Kyle Pitts is, go and watch how BB and the Pats treated that guy... They bracketed him in zone coverage like he was peak Tony Gonzalez /Antonio Gates

The film will tell you just how much respect that staff has for Pitts as a weapon.

I think the Pats will be more than a pest. I said it a week (few?) ago, they've not a super good team but they do know what they're good at. And they pound the abolutely **** out of the things they're good at. They're a legit AFC contender imo

I agree they took Pitts out of the game. Was double teamed at min, sometimes had 3 guys watching. But, TBF to Falcons, that was the easy bit, as they literally had nothing else. Pats only had to watch 1 guy, coz the rest weren't going to beat them.

As for Pats... AFC looks weaker than previous years, sure. However, do you see them beating a Chiefs, Bills, Ravens or Titans? Or, mostly like, 2 of them?

Any given Sunday, you might pinch 1, but 10 times? I don't. Coz I don't think Mac Jones can make enough big time throws to win, where as I think Lamar, Allen or Homeboi can. Titans will get Henry back, and he counts as a top QB for this argument. Pats feel like a 4th or 5th in AFC to me, with the ability to sneak into the top 3.

[Botman]

As for Pats... AFC looks weaker than previous years, sure. However, do you see them beating a Chiefs, Bills, Ravens or Titans? Or, mostly like, 2 of them?

Any given Sunday, you might pinch 1, but 10 times? I don't. Coz I don't think Mac Jones can make enough big time throws to win, where as I think Lamar, Allen or Homeboi can. Titans will get Henry back, and he counts as a top QB for this argument. Pats feel like a 4th or 5th in AFC to me, with the ability to sneak into the top 3.

I dont think they need Mac, this running game is VERY legit, they can run inside zone, outside zone, power, counter... they can run it any which way they like.

Chiefs and Bills, at their best? No. That's a 1/10 time...
They're much better. But those teams really arent at their best... and are both looking EXTREMELY vunerable imo. Will the Pats beat them? Probably not, i trust those teams to figure it out. But an they beat them? Absolutely.

Titans: you bet. I think they're better than the titans now. I think the pats will win next week! I dont think Henry is coming back, not in an effective way
Ravens: Too many flaws and i trust this defense to bottle up the ravens. I think they'd beat the ravens in a play off game unless Lamar just took the thing over.
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I just think they're a team who really understands who and what they are, which goes a long way.

[Matt]

From Adam Schefters FB page:

Tampa Bay Buccaneers wide receiver Antonio Brown has been accused of obtaining a fake COVID-19 vaccination card, according to the Tampa Bay Times.

Any attempt by team personnel or players to use a forged or fake vaccination card would be reviewed under the NFL’s personal conduct policy. It also would be a federal criminal offense.

The Times reported Thursday that, according to Steven Ruiz -- a former personal chef for the wide receiver -- Brown had his girlfriend, model Cydney Moreau, reach out to Ruiz over the summer to obtain a fake vaccination card that said Brown had received the Johnson and Johnson shot. According to text messages provided by Ruiz, Moreau offered $500 for a fake card.

Ruiz said he was unable to acquire a fake card for Brown, according to the report, but that the wide receiver a few weeks later showed him ones he had for him and Moreau that he said he had purchased.

Brown reportedly was unwilling to get the vaccine because of possible side effects. It is unclear if Brown later received a vaccination shot.

[Botman]

Happy with the eagles game today, coming in i was wondering if this run game thing was real... its easy to think it is given the teams we've run over, but this saints D is extremely good up front, they're the top rated rushing defence... so the question was, could the eagles keep running the football at will? Or would they be forced into a drop back pass game which we know from earlier in the season cant work with Hurts?

The answer... the eagles did whatever the hell they wanted on the ground. Make sure to twitter search Jordan Mailata sending Cameron Jordan to the ground with a one handed jab to his chest plate. And shortly there after escorting poor Marcus Davenport outta the **** venue, to such an extent that Devenport got very upset about the ride he was taken on.
Truly love to see the big aussie absolutely dominating

Defensively for the eagles, the saints were too banged up to think much about this. The Eagles dominated and the Saints couldnt move the football at all until the game was done. But without the starting QB, #1WR, Alvin Kamara, and 3 line man... that's to be expected. Dont think it says much about the Saints or Eagles on that side of the football

[the bone]

Justin Fields was forced out of the Bears game with a rib injury, and Goff missed the Lions game with an oblique injury. Which means unfortunately we could be watching backup vs backup at QB for the first Thanksgiving game, Bears @ Lions

[the bone]

McCarthy mismanaging the clock again leading to a Cowboys INT before halftime

[Botman]

McCarthy mismanaging the clock again leading to a Cowboys INT before halftime

So pure.
Hook it straight into my veins

No **** way this incompetent boob managed to get through the play offs without blowing it in a tight game

[Northern Raider]

Take no result for granted in the NFL this season. Titans are arguably the form team of the comp and just lost to the worst team, Texans.

[Botman]

The steelers keep finding ways to stay in this game, little of it to do with Ben despite how much Collingsworth would tell you otherwise haha

[PrimetimeRaider]

Just sit Herbert and tank for a top 15 pick. Get someone in there that can defend

[Botman]

The chargers almost charged again!

[Matt]

Happy with the eagles game today, coming in i was wondering if this run game thing was real... its easy to think it is given the teams we've run over, but this saints D is extremely good up front, they're the top rated rushing defence... so the question was, could the eagles keep running the football at will? Or would they be forced into a drop back pass game which we know from earlier in the season cant work with Hurts?

The answer... the eagles did whatever the hell they wanted on the ground. Make sure to twitter search Jordan Mailata sending Cameron Jordan to the ground with a one handed jab to his chest plate. And shortly there after escorting poor Marcus Davenport outta the **** venue, to such an extent that Devenport got very upset about the ride he was taken on.
Truly love to see the big aussie absolutely dominating

Defensively for the eagles, the saints were too banged up to think much about this. The Eagles dominated and the Saints couldnt move the football at all until the game was done. But without the starting QB, #1WR, Alvin Kamara, and 3 line man... that's to be expected. Dont think it says much about the Saints or Eagles on that side of the football

House of Pancakes indeed

[Matt]

McCarthy mismanaging the clock again leading to a Cowboys INT before halftime

So pure.
Hook it straight into my veins

No **** way this incompetent boob managed to get through the play offs without blowing it in a tight game

Not sure that game rested on that.

Watching our OL get mauled did. Steele... more like alfoil! Not having Tyron at LT has been an issue for 3wks. That left guard spot is also an issue. They benched Connor Williams for Connor McGovern today... didn't work. Chris Jones caused havoc! Recovered a fumble, got 3 sacks, and tipped the ball that resulted in the game sealing INT.

I though Gallup might step up in the absence of Coop. Didn't happen. But ^^^. CD got doubled, and the 1 time Dak saw 1 on 1, he under threw him. The CB did a great job boxing him out too.

I thought our D was ok today. Not great, but ok. Parsons 3 more sacks, 1 a forced fumble. Armstrong and Odigzuwa (Spelling?!?) were good from DT. Still got decent pressure without Gregory and DLaw. Kearse INT was pretty good too, pinched it from the WR.

[Botman]

McCarthy mismanaging the clock again leading to a Cowboys INT before halftime

So pure.
Hook it straight into my veins

No **** way this incompetent boob managed to get through the play offs without blowing it in a tight game

Not sure that game rested on that.

Watching our OL get mauled did. Steele... more like alfoil! Not having Tyron at LT has been an issue for 3wks. That left guard spot is also an issue. They benched Connor Williams for Connor McGovern today... didn't work. Chris Jones caused havoc! Recovered a fumble, got 3 sacks, and tipped the ball that resulted in the game sealing INT.

I though Gallup might step up in the absence of Coop. Didn't happen. But ^^^. CD got doubled, and the 1 time Dak saw 1 on 1, he under threw him. The CB did a great job boxing him out too.

I thought our D was ok today. Not great, but ok. Parsons 3 more sacks, 1 a forced fumble. Armstrong and Odigzuwa (Spelling?!?) were good from DT. Still got decent pressure without Gregory and DLaw. Kearse INT was pretty good too, pinched it from the WR.

No im not saying this game was won or lost on Beave coaching decisions in game but it's every damn week that he screws up time management **** that any teenager on madden can do
It hasnt decided a game yet, but only because Dak or a timely turn over has bailed his **** out multiple times... mark my words, it WILL cost them at some point and good chance that is in the play offs when the game is tight and the margins are thin.
How do i know this? I **** lived it with Andy Reid for years! And it cost them time and time again... he finally just paid a guy to tell him what to do in these situation, no idea why Beave hasnt done that yet... or just give it to Moore, he's given every other **** thing on offence to him, might as well really get cucked proper

[Matt]

McCarthy mismanaging the clock again leading to a Cowboys INT before halftime

So pure.
Hook it straight into my veins

No **** way this incompetent boob managed to get through the play offs without blowing it in a tight game

Not sure that game rested on that.

Watching our OL get mauled did. Steele... more like alfoil! Not having Tyron at LT has been an issue for 3wks. That left guard spot is also an issue. They benched Connor Williams for Connor McGovern today... didn't work. Chris Jones caused havoc! Recovered a fumble, got 3 sacks, and tipped the ball that resulted in the game sealing INT.

I though Gallup might step up in the absence of Coop. Didn't happen. But ^^^. CD got doubled, and the 1 time Dak saw 1 on 1, he under threw him. The CB did a great job boxing him out too.

I thought our D was ok today. Not great, but ok. Parsons 3 more sacks, 1 a forced fumble. Armstrong and Odigzuwa (Spelling?!?) were good from DT. Still got decent pressure without Gregory and DLaw. Kearse INT was pretty good too, pinched it from the WR.

No im not saying this game was won or lost on Beave coaching decisions in game but it's every damn week that he screws up time management **** that any teenager on madden can do
It hasnt decided a game yet, but only because Dak or a timely turn over has bailed his **** out multiple times... mark my words, it WILL cost them at some point and good chance that is in the play offs when the game is tight and the margins are thin.
How do i know this? I **** lived it with Andy Reid for years! And it cost them time and time again... he finally just paid a guy to tell him what to do in these situation, no idea why Beave hasnt done that yet... or just give it to Moore, he's given every other **** thing on offence to him, might as well really get cucked proper

That might happen in a yr or 2 anyway

[Botman]

Monday Wrap up

- Eagles thoughts above, will spare you another soliloquy about how much Jordan Mailata absolutely rules.
- Saints were so banged up on offence and Trevor Seimian is clearly not the answer long term, but of most concern is a fairly star studded defence who is built to carry them got absolutely waffle stomped. Wont be stunned if we see Taysom Hill QB change, they have to find ways to sustain drives and give their defence a chance to rest

- Maimi's mini resurgance is upsetting to me given we have their pick, the jets are nothing to crow about but there was again incrimental gains from Tua and the offence and the defence i thought was OK. They might have a chance to stack some wins and build toward 2022.
- There isnt much to talk about with the Jets since Zach Wilson isnt playing but i continue to be impressed with the draft haul. I think AVT, Moore and Carter are all really REALLY good building blocks for an offence.

- WFT earn a solid win here and this was a really good game from Taylor Heineke. Made some really tight window throws in the red zone. The defence stood up when the game was on the line and closed it out, which would be nice to see as a WFT fan.
- Really cool to see Cam back in Carolina and he and CMC combining again, they are at times such a fun and unstoppable duo. Not such cam still has his fast ball all the time, but im at least interested and excited to see it going forward. Cam is fun, i hope he can get back to his best.

- Wentz Watch: Shut it down, it's over. Unless he gets hurt, my eagles are getting that pick. Huge win for their AFC play off chances and my goodness Jono Taylor is absolutely on fire. I dont know that what they're doing now is sustainable but really limiting Wentz to key moments helps. He had a 15 yard scamper today that was straight out of the 2017 Wentz film.
- Another Bills egg, they are starting to accumulate over this season now. This AFC is WIDE open so not panic stations yet, but this is supposed to be their year and im not seeing it. Concerning.

- The browns limping home over Boyle passing for 77 yards... grim. Baker just cant play like this. At this point he's hurting his football team, they HAVE to sit him for Keenum. Surprised how well the Lions ran on the Browns on the interior too. Something to watch give the AFC has a couple of very nice inside running teams in play off contention.
- The lions dont have a chance with Boyle, or Goff or anyone at QB. Because they dont have a proper NFL QB on the roster. Silver linings... Sewell, Swift, Hockenson, St Brown... i think those are real players for them offensively. Similar situation to the jets actually.

- San Fran opened up the game with a 23 play, 13 minute drive to kick a FG from the 2... You've got the **** **** me with that? Honestly. They fed near 20 carries into Jeff Wilson for 2.5 ypc, whilst their 3rd round pick didnt fare much better, he WAS better. Aiyuk escaped the dog house and again showed he's capable. Shanny still on the radar. Deebo Samuel however is the bees knees
- The Jags really just need to get through this season and try and upgrade the talent, there just isnt enough around Lawrence. I am impressed a little bit at how the team hasnt quit on Urban Meyer yet.

- TEXANS! WOW! What an upset. Good for them man, they try hard and they play pretty sound football given their lack of talent. Good for those dudes getting a win and feeling good about themselves for a week. Any given sunday, baby.
- I've been reluctant to buy in on the Titans all year and i feel VERY vinidciated by this. I just do not trust this offence and defence week to week and i think these types of performances are going to start rearing their head more and more.

- Big time win for the Vikings. Really impressed with the downfield passing game in the past fortnight, it's like they've finally figured out Justin Jefferson is a superstar who should be the focal point of the offence, i've only been saying it all year. He's so stinkin good. He's one of the best WRs in football.
- Tough loss for GB, but one they can afford, think this game showed the value Aaron Jones... you cant simply plug in AJ Dillion and move on. Jones gives them so much out of the backfield as that aforementioned robin to Adams Batman. Rodgers had a great game give the apparent toe injury he's dealing with.

- I dont have a lot to say about the Baltimore-Chi game... we ended up seeing a lot of Huntley vs Dalton and i just cant care for that and really didnt dial in on that nonsense. Good for Baltimore to sneak out a win under these cirumstances. Fields being hurt for the Bears sucks, but they've probably seen enough to know he can be their guy and they just need to jettison the FO and HC for a new regime to build around him.

- Similar to above. Really didnt focus a lot on the Cin-LV game. Just some real low wattage narratives on offer here so i didnt pay a ton of attention. Carr is regressing to the mean as a QB after a VERY hot period prior to Gruden's sacking, there is still quite a lot to like about what Burrow, Chase and Mixon can give you as an offensive base in Cinci... both of these teams are crying out for a new staff to come in spice things up a bit.

- The cards are another team that i've been reluctant to buy in on and whilst im not sure a win over seattle is much to crow about, they got the job done, despite being well down on troops. I really like the way they scheme things up. They make you defend every inch of the field offensively, even with a back up Qb, their #1 WR and RB on the shelf... that's a really good sign. Defensively they play with good disaplince and make you work hard. It's a good recipe, especially if Kyler and Hopkins can get healthy
- Seattle era is over. Bobby Wagner is looking a bit washed, Russell Wilson and Pete Carroll are still clearly not on the same page, Wilson isnt himself right now thanks to the finger... this is really feeling like an end of an era and that Seattle really should consider taking a package for Wilson and hitting the restart button. It was a good run. Should have had 2, and maybe 3 rings all things being fair... life ain't fair.

- KC's defence is getting it together, Chris Jones moved back inside today and was owned Zach Martin, which is not easy feat. Frank Clark ate off the edge too. Offensively the chiefs still look off to me, something not quite right but they did enough. And i cant help but think the SB run is still right there in front of them... if the defence keeps playing at this level, i trust Mahomes, Reid and this offence to break out and explode.
- Really disappointing loss for Dallas, losing Cooper to COVID mid week didnt help, losing CeeDee before halftime hurt even more. Zeke was struggling with injury too... i mean i still think they'll run away with the NFC E, and feel confident in the play offs, and so they should. On their day, the offence can blow away anyone and the defence is opportunistic. But they're margins are thinner than people think.

- The chargers CHARGED UP and then they didnt! Herbert just would not let them charge. Love it. I really cannot wait for Joe Lombardi to get sent packing. He's just not using Herbert appropriately. He had a Adot (Average depth of target) in the first half of 5.2. Big Ben had 11+... one of these QBs is amazing and has a **** rocket launcher, the other is washed... It makes no sense. He overcame all the weird charger-ery stuff and bad coaching and willed them to a win
- Ben actually wasnt too bad today... but this is sort of where things are. Ben had a good day and his arm and inability to make throws consistently hindered them badly. If you swapped QBs for these teams the Steelers would be a SB favourite. The Steelers were very banged up defensively and it showed up in key spots.

[Matt]

Monday Wrap up

- Eagles thoughts above, will spare you another soliloquy about how much Jordan Mailata absolutely rules.
- Saints were so banged up on offence and Trevor Seimian is clearly not the answer long term, but of most concern is a fairly star studded defence who is built to carry them got absolutely waffle stomped. Wont be stunned if we see Taysom Hill QB change, they have to find ways to sustain drives and give their defence a chance to rest

- Maimi's mini resurgance is upsetting to me given we have their pick, the jets are nothing to crow about but there was again incrimental gains from Tua and the offence and the defence i thought was OK. They might have a chance to stack some wins and build toward 2022.
- There isnt much to talk about with the Jets since Zach Wilson isnt playing but i continue to be impressed with the draft haul. I think AVT, Moore and Carter are all really REALLY good building blocks for an offence.

- WFT earn a solid win here and this was a really good game from Taylor Heineke. Made some really tight window throws in the red zone. The defence stood up when the game was on the line and closed it out, which would be nice to see as a WFT fan.
- Really cool to see Cam back in Carolina and he and CMC combining again, they are at times such a fun and unstoppable duo. Not such cam still has his fast ball all the time, but im at least interested and excited to see it going forward. Cam is fun, i hope he can get back to his best.

- Wentz Watch: Shut it down, it's over. Unless he gets hurt, my eagles are getting that pick. Huge win for their AFC play off chances and my goodness Jono Taylor is absolutely on fire. I dont know that what they're doing now is sustainable but really limiting Wentz to key moments helps. He had a 15 yard scamper today that was straight out of the 2017 Wentz film.
- Another Bills egg, they are starting to accumulate over this season now. This AFC is WIDE open so not panic stations yet, but this is supposed to be their year and im not seeing it. Concerning.

- The browns limping home over Boyle passing for 77 yards... grim. Baker just cant play like this. At this point he's hurting his football team, they HAVE to sit him for Keenum. Surprised how well the Lions ran on the Browns on the interior too. Something to watch give the AFC has a couple of very nice inside running teams in play off contention.
- The lions dont have a chance with Boyle, or Goff or anyone at QB. Because they dont have a proper NFL QB on the roster. Silver linings... Sewell, Swift, Hockenson, St Brown... i think those are real players for them offensively. Similar situation to the jets actually.

- San Fran opened up the game with a 23 play, 13 minute drive to kick a FG from the 2... You've got the **** **** me with that? Honestly. They fed near 20 carries into Jeff Wilson for 2.5 ypc, whilst their 3rd round pick didnt fare much better, he WAS better. Aiyuk escaped the dog house and again showed he's capable. Shanny still on the radar. Deebo Samuel however is the bees knees
- The Jags really just need to get through this season and try and upgrade the talent, there just isnt enough around Lawrence. I am impressed a little bit at how the team hasnt quit on Urban Meyer yet.

- TEXANS! WOW! What an upset. Good for them man, they try hard and they play pretty sound football given their lack of talent. Good for those dudes getting a win and feeling good about themselves for a week. Any given sunday, baby.
- I've been reluctant to buy in on the Titans all year and i feel VERY vinidciated by this. I just do not trust this offence and defence week to week and i think these types of performances are going to start rearing their head more and more.

- Big time win for the Vikings. Really impressed with the downfield passing game in the past fortnight, it's like they've finally figured out Justin Jefferson is a superstar who should be the focal point of the offence, i've only been saying it all year. He's so stinkin good. He's one of the best WRs in football.
- Tough loss for GB, but one they can afford, think this game showed the value Aaron Jones... you cant simply plug in AJ Dillion and move on. Jones gives them so much out of the backfield as that aforementioned robin to Adams Batman. Rodgers had a great game give the apparent toe injury he's dealing with.

- I dont have a lot to say about the Baltimore-Chi game... we ended up seeing a lot of Huntley vs Dalton and i just cant care for that and really didnt dial in on that nonsense. Good for Baltimore to sneak out a win under these cirumstances. Fields being hurt for the Bears sucks, but they've probably seen enough to know he can be their guy and they just need to jettison the FO and HC for a new regime to build around him.

- Similar to above. Really didnt focus a lot on the Cin-LV game. Just some real low wattage narratives on offer here so i didnt pay a ton of attention. Carr is regressing to the mean as a QB after a VERY hot period prior to Gruden's sacking, there is still quite a lot to like about what Burrow, Chase and Mixon can give you as an offensive base in Cinci... both of these teams are crying out for a new staff to come in spice things up a bit.

- The cards are another team that i've been reluctant to buy in on and whilst im not sure a win over seattle is much to crow about, they got the job done, despite being well down on troops. I really like the way they scheme things up. They make you defend every inch of the field offensively, even with a back up Qb, their #1 WR and RB on the shelf... that's a really good sign. Defensively they play with good disaplince and make you work hard. It's a good recipe, especially if Kyler and Hopkins can get healthy
- Seattle era is over. Bobby Wagner is looking a bit washed, Russell Wilson and Pete Carroll are still clearly not on the same page, Wilson isnt himself right now thanks to the finger... this is really feeling like an end of an era and that Seattle really should consider taking a package for Wilson and hitting the restart button. It was a good run. Should have had 2, and maybe 3 rings all things being fair... life ain't fair.

- KC's defence is getting it together, Chris Jones moved back inside today and was owned Zach Martin, which is not easy feat. Frank Clark ate off the edge too. Offensively the chiefs still look off to me, something not quite right but they did enough. And i cant help but think the SB run is still right there in front of them... if the defence keeps playing at this level, i trust Mahomes, Reid and this offence to break out and explode.
- Really disappointing loss for Dallas, losing Cooper to COVID mid week didnt help, losing CeeDee before halftime hurt even more. Zeke was struggling with injury too... i mean i still think they'll run away with the NFC E, and feel confident in the play offs, and so they should. On their day, the offence can blow away anyone and the defence is opportunistic. But they're margins are thinner than people think.

- The chargers CHARGED UP and then they didnt! Herbert just would not let them charge. Love it. I really cannot wait for Joe Lombardi to get sent packing. He's just not using Herbert appropriately. He had a Adot (Average depth of target) in the first half of 5.2. Big Ben had 11+... one of these QBs is amazing and has a **** rocket launcher, the other is washed... It makes no sense. He overcame all the weird charger-ery stuff and bad coaching and willed them to a win
- Ben actually wasnt too bad today... but this is sort of where things are. Ben had a good day and his arm and inability to make throws consistently hindered them badly. If you swapped QBs for these teams the Steelers would be a SB favourite. The Steelers were very banged up defensively and it showed up in key spots.

Well said.
Is Taylor the new Henry? Or is it just Zeke 2016?

[Botman]

Totally different situations imo

Zeke and Henry are quite similar. imo.. they have BIG plays in the pass game occasionally, but you never feel very good about using them in the pass game. You stick it in their guts 20 times and you know if they're at the top of their game they'll wear defences down and take over games

Taylor can do that too, but imo he's much more dynamic in the pass game than those guys.

[Matt]

Totally different situations imo

Zeke and Henry are quite similar. imo.. they have BIG plays in the pass game occasionally, but you never feel very good about using them in the pass game. You stick it in their guts 20 times and you know if they're at the top of their game they'll wear defences down and take over games

Taylor can do that too, but imo he's much more dynamic in the pass game than those guys.

He's been ridiculous this year

[PrimetimeRaider]

"New Orleans’ QB Taysom Hill signed a unique four-year, hybrid-type of contract extension that could be worth anywhere between $40 million and $95 million, depending on the position he plays, and includes $22.5 million guaranteed, sources tell ESPN."

"Taysom Hill’s hybrid deal is unique and unlike other contracts because it pays him a $40 million base salary for the role that he’s currently playing, and up to an additional $55 million if he does become the Saints’ starting QB for the next four seasons."

This guy knows where the bodies are buried.

[Botman]

"New Orleans’ QB Taysom Hill signed a unique four-year, hybrid-type of contract extension that could be worth anywhere between $40 million and $95 million, depending on the position he plays, and includes $22.5 million guaranteed, sources tell ESPN."

"Taysom Hill’s hybrid deal is unique and unlike other contracts because it pays him a $40 million base salary for the role that he’s currently playing, and up to an additional $55 million if he does become the Saints’ starting QB for the next four seasons."

This guy knows where the bodies are buried.

I saw this when i woke up and immediately sent my NFL group chat a message that said "Fellas, don't settle. Find someone in life who loves you the way Sean Payton loves Taysom Hill"

[Matt]

"New Orleans’ QB Taysom Hill signed a unique four-year, hybrid-type of contract extension that could be worth anywhere between $40 million and $95 million, depending on the position he plays, and includes $22.5 million guaranteed, sources tell ESPN."

"Taysom Hill’s hybrid deal is unique and unlike other contracts because it pays him a $40 million base salary for the role that he’s currently playing, and up to an additional $55 million if he does become the Saints’ starting QB for the next four seasons."

This guy knows where the bodies are buried.

I saw this when i woke up and immediately sent my NFL group chat a message that said "Fellas, don't settle. Find someone in life who loves you the way Sean Payton loves Taysom Hill"

This is a very very very strange deal.

[Matt]

Giants fire Garrett.

[Matt]

1st 15 starts:
Lamar
4120 total yds
26 TDs
12 turnovers
213 1st downs

Hurts
4115 total yds
29 TDs
11 turnovers
209 1st downs

@Botman, you may actually have a piece at QB

[Botman]

1st 15 starts:
Lamar
4120 total yds
26 TDs
12 turnovers
213 1st downs

Hurts
4115 total yds
29 TDs
11 turnovers
209 1st downs

@Botman, you may actually have a piece at QB

Yeah the eagles i think are one of the most interesting teams to look at right now, there is real pieces in the side and then there is the Hurts question
If you built the offence around him and committed all in to the running QB style of play, then sure.

When looking at him compared to Lamar, i think they're comparable in the deep passing game, with a slight edge to Hurts.
I think Lamar is much better short and intermediate passing (though he wasn't very good in this area in the first 1-2 seasons either)
As runners, Lamar is faster and more agile. He's more dynamic in open space. Hurts isn't as dynamic but he makes up for that with his size. In that respect he's sort of the middle ground between a Lamar runner and a Cam Newton/Josh Allen style runner. I actually think Hurts is sort of the perfect balance as a running QB... in so far as he's very fast and dynamic enough to make defenders miss a lot... but he's big enough to withstand the hits when the defenders get home

Problem is philosophically and to their core, it's been said/reported that Howie Roseman and Jeff Lurie don't believe that's what wins in the league. They believe in pocket passers who have additional movement traits to make the first rusher miss and create the explosives in 2nd reaction plays. That's why they've been so eager to get involved in Watson. This is a traditional QB who can play an entire game sitting in the pocket, and on the plays where it breaks down, he can make defenders miss, tuck, run and get a first down.

Unless that philosophy has changed (and maybe it has or is on it's way to changing?), or he dramatically improves as a drop back passer, i find it hard to believe they'll ever fully commit to Hurts and do what is necessary to build around his very unique style long term

However, it is starting to seem like unless they can get Watson, which is extremely unlikely... then they're going to use these 3 first rounders to build up the talent in the team, probably taking the best players on their board on defence and kicking the QB can another year down the road and rolling with Hurts in 2022 and see if they can progress him as a passer. Right now the eagles have #8, #11 and #16 and the good news is this is a stacked draft defensively.