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Correct. He gets his money and it's cap exempt
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Botman wrote: May 17, 2021, 8:41 pm Correct. He gets his money and it's cap exempt
I have no doubt he would have wanted (May still want) to play out the entirety of his contract, but not a bad consolation prize and good on him for negotiating such a favourable deal - I have no problem with that.

I do have a problem with whoever negotiated and agreed it on the club side. From the day it was announced it raised eyebrows with most on here given the length and value. If the club is so flushed with cash that we can afford it then good and well, but I thought margins were tight in post Covid NRL land? That’s a big whack of cash to be taking a hit on.
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It’s poker machine money, and they can afford it if that’s how this goes
So don’t waste a second worrying about that

Re: decision making... it’s the same guy who doubled down on middle forwards on a vet rather than address other areas of concerns
The guy who would have Sia playing through his 50’s if he could

Get used to veteran contracts. As long as Stuart is here, and those vets fit with his culture and fall into line, they’ll be here
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Botman wrote: May 17, 2021, 9:40 pm It’s poker machine money, and they can afford it if that’s how this goes
So don’t waste a second worrying about that

Re: decision making... it’s the same guy who doubled down on middle forwards on a vet rather than address other areas of concerns
The guy who would have Sia playing through his 50’s if he could

Get used to veteran contracts. As long as Stuart is here, and those vets fit with his culture and fall into line, they’ll be here
Yep - sentiment seems to run strong with Rick. Loyalty is a fantastic trait but you can’t let sentimentality get in the way of success.

Is the club really that sweet with cash? That’s good news if true. I thought they were laying off some office staff 12 months ago.
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I think they're insured for the payout - wasn't that the issue with Watmough? Some issue with the insurer?
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Canberra Milk wrote:I think they're insured for the payout - wasn't that the issue with Watmough? Some issue with the insurer?
They weren't convinced the injury wasn't pre-existing

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Billy Walker wrote: May 17, 2021, 9:32 pm
Botman wrote: May 17, 2021, 8:41 pm Correct. He gets his money and it's cap exempt
I have no doubt he would have wanted (May still want) to play out the entirety of his contract, but not a bad consolation prize and good on him for negotiating such a favourable deal - I have no problem with that.

I do have a problem with whoever negotiated and agreed it on the club side. From the day it was announced it raised eyebrows with most on here given the length and value. If the club is so flushed with cash that we can afford it then good and well, but I thought margins were tight in post Covid NRL land? That’s a big whack of cash to be taking a hit on.
It was a horrible deal on the clubs' side. Rest assured they'll be putting him to work in order to recoup as much of the cost as they can, if they do pay him out. Coaching, mentoring, club ambassador, sponsorship and marketing, running water on game day, taking the bins out at training. Put them all on the table.
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Whether you agree with what Souths did with Reynolds or not, the days of big contracts post the age of 30 are gone...
Playing careers are about to become shorter given the game's move to prioritising speed and fatigue.
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Canberra Milk wrote: May 17, 2021, 10:24 pm I think they're insured for the payout - wasn't that the issue with Watmough? Some issue with the insurer?
If they get the payout, all the better, but the reality is the QLC can afford to redistribute some poker machine blood money to settle the Croker contract if that is indeed what has to happen. No need to shed any tears for those vultures.
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Canberra Raiders confirm Charnze Nicoll-Klokstad is out for the season

The Canberra Raiders have confirmed that fullback Charnze Nicoll-Klokstad will require surgery for his neck injury, ruling him out of the 2021 season. Nicoll-Klokstad met with a specialist this week, and it was confirmed he'd need an operation to correct a bulging disc.

Tom Starling suffered an ankle injury in last night's loss to the Storm and will be assessed this week to see if he will be fit to play the Roosters in Gosford next Saturday.

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Albert Hopoate, Shoulder (Rd 12-13)
Jordan Rapana, Hamstring (Rd 12-13)
Joe Tapine, Knee, (Rd 12-13)
Josh Papalii, Suspended (Rd 14)
Harley Smith-Shields, Biceps Tendon (Rd 20-22)
Jarrod Croker, Knee (Indefinite)
Charnze Nicoll-Klokstad, Neck (Season)

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That sucks for him, for the club, for me.

But mostly for him.
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Canberra Raiders prop Ryan James charged with contrary conduct



Canberra Raiders forward Ryan James is looking at a 1-2 week suspension for grade two contrary conduct, while winger Jordan Rapana is facing a fine, after charges from last night's match against the Roosters.

James has been charged over an alleged incident involving Jared Waerea-Hargreaves in the 35th minute of last night's match. The grade two contrary conduct charge carries 200 base points. With no loadings, an early guilty plea from James would produce a one week suspension and 50 carry over points. If he goes to the judiciary, and is found guilty, he'd be suspended for two weeks.

Rapana has been charged with a grade one careless high tackle, after an incident involving Joseph Manu in the 44th minute. An early plea would produce a fine of $1700, or $2250 if Rapana challenges and is found guilty.

Sam Williams was put on report, but has not been charged.

Read more: https://www.nrl.com/news/2021/05/28/round-12-charges/
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Canberra Raiders forward Corey Horsburgh set for 6-7 weeks on the sidelines



Corey Horsburgh can't take an injury trick at the moment, with the fiery Canberra Raiders prop set to spend at least six weeks on the sideline with a wrist injury.

"He could be 6-7 weeks I think. It's not fractured, but there is some tendon damage," Raiders coach Ricky Stuart said. "It's a little bit like a syndesmosis where the bone is separated and it actually strains the ligament."

Read more: https://www.canberratimes.com.au/story/ ... /?cs=14280
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The CT also reporting Ryan James has taken the early plea and will miss Round 14, while the NRL has confirmed Origin I will count to Josh Papalii's suspension.
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Canberra Raiders prop Ryan James to miss clash with the Brisbane Broncos

Canberra Raiders prop Ryan James will miss the Round 14 clash with the Brisbane Broncos, after he made an early guilty plea to a charge of contrary conduct - following an incident involving Roosters forward Jared Waerea-Hargreaves last Saturday night.

Jordan Rapana has also taken the early guilty plea in relation to a careless high tackle charge. The incident involved Roosters player Joseph Manu. Rapana has been fined $1700.

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Joe Tapine, Knee, (Rd 14)
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Ryan James, Suspended (Rd 15)
Corey Horsburgh, Wrist (Rd 19-20)
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greeneyed wrote: May 31, 2021, 7:05 pm Canberra Raiders forward Corey Horsburgh set for 6-7 weeks on the sidelines



Corey Horsburgh can't take an injury trick at the moment, with the fiery Canberra Raiders prop set to spend at least six weeks on the sideline with a wrist injury.

"He could be 6-7 weeks I think. It's not fractured, but there is some tendon damage," Raiders coach Ricky Stuart said. "It's a little bit like a syndesmosis where the bone is separated and it actually strains the ligament."

Read more: https://www.canberratimes.com.au/story/ ... /?cs=14280
Just as he was about to put 23 year-old Papa to shame.

He's been deadset average this year. He's gone from borderline Origin to borderline NRL, and I'd be leaning on the side of not NRL quality. Every time he comes on it's penalties or turnovers.
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The comment the chookpen made about being him EDIT is right

He was well undercooked when he came back into first grade, and it's showed

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A little bird told me last night that Croker could be out for the season and his knee is so bad that he may have played his last game. Very very good source as well.
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chris83 wrote:A little bird told me last night that Croker could be out for the season and his knee is so bad that he may have played his last game. Very very good source as well.
thought that was common knowledge, CT article about a month ago?

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If his knee is as bad a reported, which from what I can gather is something that's degraded over time, where on Earth was the club's due diligence when extending him for four years on big money?

I mean this is a guy that has been here for a decade, all of the medics and physios would/should all over his condition over time, you'd assume he'd be getting certain routine medical checks and scans, getting treated directly whenever it flares up. Unless there was some kind of event that caused significant injury to the knee that I don't know of, did they not know the possibility of this?

Just seems to be absolutely shocking decision making and lack of process all round by the club.
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Roger Kenworthy wrote: June 1, 2021, 2:09 pm
greeneyed wrote: May 31, 2021, 7:05 pm Canberra Raiders forward Corey Horsburgh set for 6-7 weeks on the sidelines



Corey Horsburgh can't take an injury trick at the moment, with the fiery Canberra Raiders prop set to spend at least six weeks on the sideline with a wrist injury.

"He could be 6-7 weeks I think. It's not fractured, but there is some tendon damage," Raiders coach Ricky Stuart said. "It's a little bit like a syndesmosis where the bone is separated and it actually strains the ligament."

Read more: https://www.canberratimes.com.au/story/ ... /?cs=14280
Just as he was about to put 23 year-old Papa to shame.

He's been deadset average this year. He's gone from borderline Origin to borderline NRL, and I'd be leaning on the side of not NRL quality. Every time he comes on it's penalties or turnovers.
Agree. It's disappointing because he can make yards, he's just not fit and with him already having red mist and bonehead plays in him, faatigue just makes it worse. Also becoming injury prone. He's contracted for 2022 but he'd be starting behind a lot of players.
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afgtnk wrote: June 2, 2021, 10:00 am If his knee is as bad a reported, which from what I can gather is something that's degraded over time, where on Earth was the club's due diligence when extending him for four years on big money?

I mean this is a guy that has been here for a decade, all of the medics and physios would/should all over his condition over time, you'd assume he'd be getting certain routine medical checks and scans, getting treated directly whenever it flares up. Unless there was some kind of event that caused significant injury to the knee that I don't know of, did they not know the possibility of this?

Just seems to be absolutely shocking decision making and lack of process all round by the club.
If that knee was known about before the contract was signed and is simply a worsening of an existing, chronic (as in ongoing, managed, not repairable) injury then it will technically not be grounds for medical retirement payout. Has to be a fresh injury.
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BadnMean wrote: June 2, 2021, 10:06 am
afgtnk wrote: June 2, 2021, 10:00 am If his knee is as bad a reported, which from what I can gather is something that's degraded over time, where on Earth was the club's due diligence when extending him for four years on big money?

I mean this is a guy that has been here for a decade, all of the medics and physios would/should all over his condition over time, you'd assume he'd be getting certain routine medical checks and scans, getting treated directly whenever it flares up. Unless there was some kind of event that caused significant injury to the knee that I don't know of, did they not know the possibility of this?

Just seems to be absolutely shocking decision making and lack of process all round by the club.
If that knee was known about before the contract was signed and is simply a worsening of an existing, chronic (as in ongoing, managed, not repairable) injury then it will technically not be grounds for medical retirement payout. Has to be a fresh injury.
If we're to believe that it's bad to the point that he may no longer be able to play anymore, i.e something that can't be fixed, then it can't be a specific injury. I don't recall Jarrod Croker sustaining a huge knee injury. Has to be something that's degraded over time, to the point it's completely shot.

They HAD to have known about it. Surely.
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Apparently he's considered stemcell but the chances of cancer in later life are a risk, so we will be needing a centre as well I guess
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afgtnk wrote: June 2, 2021, 10:12 am
BadnMean wrote: June 2, 2021, 10:06 am
afgtnk wrote: June 2, 2021, 10:00 am If his knee is as bad a reported, which from what I can gather is something that's degraded over time, where on Earth was the club's due diligence when extending him for four years on big money?

I mean this is a guy that has been here for a decade, all of the medics and physios would/should all over his condition over time, you'd assume he'd be getting certain routine medical checks and scans, getting treated directly whenever it flares up. Unless there was some kind of event that caused significant injury to the knee that I don't know of, did they not know the possibility of this?

Just seems to be absolutely shocking decision making and lack of process all round by the club.
If that knee was known about before the contract was signed and is simply a worsening of an existing, chronic (as in ongoing, managed, not repairable) injury then it will technically not be grounds for medical retirement payout. Has to be a fresh injury.
If we're to believe that it's bad to the point that he may no longer be able to play anymore, i.e something that can't be fixed, then it can't be a specific injury. I don't recall Jarrod Croker sustaining a huge knee injury. Has to be something that's degraded over time, to the point it's completely shot.

They HAD to have known about it. Surely.
Do you mean since his contract extension?
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Northern Raider wrote: June 2, 2021, 1:03 pm
afgtnk wrote: June 2, 2021, 10:12 am
BadnMean wrote: June 2, 2021, 10:06 am
afgtnk wrote: June 2, 2021, 10:00 am If his knee is as bad a reported, which from what I can gather is something that's degraded over time, where on Earth was the club's due diligence when extending him for four years on big money?

I mean this is a guy that has been here for a decade, all of the medics and physios would/should all over his condition over time, you'd assume he'd be getting certain routine medical checks and scans, getting treated directly whenever it flares up. Unless there was some kind of event that caused significant injury to the knee that I don't know of, did they not know the possibility of this?

Just seems to be absolutely shocking decision making and lack of process all round by the club.
If that knee was known about before the contract was signed and is simply a worsening of an existing, chronic (as in ongoing, managed, not repairable) injury then it will technically not be grounds for medical retirement payout. Has to be a fresh injury.
If we're to believe that it's bad to the point that he may no longer be able to play anymore, i.e something that can't be fixed, then it can't be a specific injury. I don't recall Jarrod Croker sustaining a huge knee injury. Has to be something that's degraded over time, to the point it's completely shot.

They HAD to have known about it. Surely.
Do you mean since his contract extension?
Yes.
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afgtnk wrote: June 3, 2021, 10:09 am
Northern Raider wrote: June 2, 2021, 1:03 pm
afgtnk wrote: June 2, 2021, 10:12 am
BadnMean wrote: June 2, 2021, 10:06 am
afgtnk wrote: June 2, 2021, 10:00 am If his knee is as bad a reported, which from what I can gather is something that's degraded over time, where on Earth was the club's due diligence when extending him for four years on big money?

I mean this is a guy that has been here for a decade, all of the medics and physios would/should all over his condition over time, you'd assume he'd be getting certain routine medical checks and scans, getting treated directly whenever it flares up. Unless there was some kind of event that caused significant injury to the knee that I don't know of, did they not know the possibility of this?

Just seems to be absolutely shocking decision making and lack of process all round by the club.
If that knee was known about before the contract was signed and is simply a worsening of an existing, chronic (as in ongoing, managed, not repairable) injury then it will technically not be grounds for medical retirement payout. Has to be a fresh injury.
If we're to believe that it's bad to the point that he may no longer be able to play anymore, i.e something that can't be fixed, then it can't be a specific injury. I don't recall Jarrod Croker sustaining a huge knee injury. Has to be something that's degraded over time, to the point it's completely shot.

They HAD to have known about it. Surely.
Do you mean since his contract extension?
Yes.
OK. Fair point in regard to medical retirement for the knee issue. He also has the shoulder problem. Reconstruction in the off season then reinjured 5 games into his comeback.

Although we don't know the details of his contract there were reports of performance clauses, which may have related to his known knee issues. If he cannot continue playing he may not be entitled to a payout for the remainder of his contract like Michael Morgan was recently. He may need to retire and forgo his last 2 years. Truth is we're only guessing on possible scenarios.
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Croker had his knee cleaned out again this year due to ongoing issues
The Sam Burgess precedent opened the can of worms, as I and many others said it would at the time

You don’t need a fresh injury, and in the case of both Burgess and I believe Morgan
The injury was known and pre-existing prior to new contracts and the deterioration to the point of being physically unable to play was acceptable for medical retirement
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Botman wrote:Croker had his knee cleaned out again this year due to ongoing issues
The Sam Burgess precedent opened the can of worms, as I and many others said it would at the time

You don’t need a fresh injury, and in the case of both Burgess and I believe Morgan
The injury was known and pre-existing prior to new contracts and the deterioration to the point of being physically unable to play was acceptable for medical retirement
Both clubs put forward an infection because of surgery effected their rehabilitation from their pre-existing injuries that kept them off the field,not just the ‘pre-existing’ injury.

I wonder how easy it is to get a specialist to sign off on an infection?
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Darius Boyd managed to get a medical payout for the last year of his contract at the Broncos due to the doctors finding that he was spineless.
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BJ wrote:Darius Boyd managed to get a medical payout for the last year of his contract at the Broncos due to the doctors finding that he was spineless.
What a farce. Another pre-existing injury
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Bailey Simonsson to miss 4-6 weeks due to toe injury, Elliott Whitehead out of Sea Eagles clash

Bailey Simonsson (toe) will be sidelined for 4-6 weeks after suffering an injury in the loss to the Titans. He will not require surgery. Meanwhile, Elliott Whitehead (shoulder, facial cut) will miss one match.

Read more: https://www.raiders.com.au/news/2021/07 ... -round-17/

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Corey Horsburgh, Wrist (Rd 19-20)
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Any news on Lui’s calf?
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Billy Walker wrote: July 11, 2021, 10:01 pm Any news on Lui’s calf?
One to two weeks, based on Stuart press conference. NRL.com says Rd 20 return.
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