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Very strange to be running with a “premiership or bust” line whilst simultaneously advocating the retention of a coach who has not delivered one in 8 seasons and no sign of one any time soon.gangrenous wrote: ↑May 31, 2021, 10:08 pmYour first two examples are replacing a premiership winning coach to ummm... not win any more premierships. You really got me.Mickey_Raider wrote:
But for the sake of your exercise, Souths have gone through Maguire, Seibold and Bennett in the time Ricky has been at the club. And they have for the most part been a top 4 club and secured a premiership.
In the same period Manly have gone through Hasler, Toovey, Barrett, Hasler over the last decade and have won a comp, been to a grand final and made multiple finals runs and will be competing finals again this year.
And over the last decade Cowboys have gone through Henry, Green and now Payten. They replaced Henry despite making the finals 3 years in a row and were rewarded with a premiership and grand final appearance and two further finals appearances under Green. After 2 underperforming years they replaced Green, and look very improved this year and I reckon they will return to the finals.
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The Mole reports about an under pressure coach losing his mind. Thank goodness we have harmony in the Raiders dressing room!
Coach’s shed blow up
An angry coach who is already off with much of his squad lost a few more friends among the players after a stunning recent incident in the sheds.
At a mid-week rehab session, a player was getting a massage and as he was doing so, was quietly watching a horse race on his phone.
The coach was walking past at the time and flew into a rage, grabbing the phone off the shocked player and flinging it across the room.
Coaches are under massive pressure - I get that - and this bloke hasn't been winning… but that sort of over-the-top behaviour won't do anything to make an unhappy camp whole again.
Read more: https://wwos.nine.com.au/nrl/mole-cronu ... 6e9e92ad14
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Coach’s shed blow up
An angry coach who is already off with much of his squad lost a few more friends among the players after a stunning recent incident in the sheds.
At a mid-week rehab session, a player was getting a massage and as he was doing so, was quietly watching a horse race on his phone.
The coach was walking past at the time and flew into a rage, grabbing the phone off the shocked player and flinging it across the room.
Coaches are under massive pressure - I get that - and this bloke hasn't been winning… but that sort of over-the-top behaviour won't do anything to make an unhappy camp whole again.
Read more: https://wwos.nine.com.au/nrl/mole-cronu ... 6e9e92ad14
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Wasn't Sticky. He would have been watching the same race.
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I wouldnt worry, if that's Sticky throwing the phone across the room it was probably because he had some money on a good roughie and it got the grand piano on the home straight
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HSS has only played two NSW Cup games, been on the sidelines since Round 3 with a biceps injury.woppadingo wrote: ↑June 1, 2021, 12:39 amI haven;t been to any games yet but my mate has watched a lot of reggies and reckons they are woeful. Valemei far and away their best. Worried about what that means abou HSS and Timoko?Mr Squiggle wrote: ↑May 31, 2021, 7:25 pm Release anyone who wants to go and promote the best options from reserve grade and fill the roster with some bargains or diamonds in the rough.
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Probably Madge or Adam O'BrienT_R wrote:The Mole reports about an under pressure coach losing his mind. Thank goodness we have harmony in the Raiders dressing room!
Coach’s shed blow up
An angry coach who is already off with much of his squad lost a few more friends among the players after a stunning recent incident in the sheds.
At a mid-week rehab session, a player was getting a massage and as he was doing so, was quietly watching a horse race on his phone.
The coach was walking past at the time and flew into a rage, grabbing the phone off the shocked player and flinging it across the room.
Coaches are under massive pressure - I get that - and this bloke hasn't been winning… but that sort of over-the-top behaviour won't do anything to make an unhappy camp whole again.
Read more: https://wwos.nine.com.au/nrl/mole-cronu ... 6e9e92ad14
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Most likely O'Brien. Knights were having a horror run before the weekend. Looks like the phone throwing did the trick too.-TW- wrote: ↑June 1, 2021, 11:36 amProbably Madge or Adam O'BrienT_R wrote:The Mole reports about an under pressure coach losing his mind. Thank goodness we have harmony in the Raiders dressing room!
Coach’s shed blow up
An angry coach who is already off with much of his squad lost a few more friends among the players after a stunning recent incident in the sheds.
At a mid-week rehab session, a player was getting a massage and as he was doing so, was quietly watching a horse race on his phone.
The coach was walking past at the time and flew into a rage, grabbing the phone off the shocked player and flinging it across the room.
Coaches are under massive pressure - I get that - and this bloke hasn't been winning… but that sort of over-the-top behaviour won't do anything to make an unhappy camp whole again.
Read more: https://wwos.nine.com.au/nrl/mole-cronu ... 6e9e92ad14
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I’m not running that line. I’m using your own line against you:Mickey_Raider wrote:Very strange to be running with a “premiership or bust” line whilst simultaneously advocating the retention of a coach who has not delivered one in 8 seasons and no sign of one any time soon.gangrenous wrote: ↑May 31, 2021, 10:08 pmYour first two examples are replacing a premiership winning coach to ummm... not win any more premierships. You really got me.Mickey_Raider wrote:
But for the sake of your exercise, Souths have gone through Maguire, Seibold and Bennett in the time Ricky has been at the club. And they have for the most part been a top 4 club and secured a premiership.
In the same period Manly have gone through Hasler, Toovey, Barrett, Hasler over the last decade and have won a comp, been to a grand final and made multiple finals runs and will be competing finals again this year.
And over the last decade Cowboys have gone through Henry, Green and now Payten. They replaced Henry despite making the finals 3 years in a row and were rewarded with a premiership and grand final appearance and two further finals appearances under Green. After 2 underperforming years they replaced Green, and look very improved this year and I reckon they will return to the finals.
Mickey_Raider wrote:Id say the general argument against your proposition is that he has already had 2 rebuilds, 8 years in the saddle and not delivered a premiership.
So if a premiership isn’t a be all and end all, why would you be so quick to sack a coach with 3 prelims in the prior 5 years with 20 years prior in the wilderness?Mickey_Raider wrote:He will also be going into his 9th season at the Raiders next year. That is at least 2-3x more than most NRL coaches are afforded in order to deliver a premiership.
My argument is you don’t punt him and hope. Either you have someone in mind who you reasonably believe is a step up, or you work from what you have which history says is a damn sight better than most of what you’re switching in otherwise.
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Stuart came in 2014, with the club at a very low point. He then went on to 3 prelims in 5 years. This is a decent record at any club, let alone the Raiders who last played a prelim final in 1995 (excluding Super League).
In saying that, he has clearly botched this season so far:
* The lack of conditioning reeks to me of a team who assumed they would make the semi finals and aim to “peak” then. There is no doubt we play a slow, tired game.
* Stuart has been known to give the senior players a lot of say in how the team has run. This is fine when the team is performing well, but can be tricky if things go south. When the same players were underperforming, he has handled it extremely poorly, and got most of them offside. To try and win the PR war, he has leaked to journalists and made the situation worse. Other coaches, in particular Robinson and Bellamy, keep dealings in house, and back their senior players to rediscover form (Jake Friend being a pertinent example - he was being boo’d by his own fans, and Robinson backed him).
* Our attack structure is abysmal. I don’t buy the narrative that we had no structure in 2016. Wighton had a bucketload of try involvements that year, all coming from good structure, players in movement and hole running. Yes - there was the adlib play as well (Leipana, Austin), but that was supported by good structure.
* Our defence has fallen off a cliff. Some of that is down to CNK’s absence, but plenty is also due to a clear lack of physicality and desire to win collisions, constantly battling for field position and conceding points in blocks.
Stuart deserves the time to try and get some of this right, but he got a lot wrong this season.
In saying that, he has clearly botched this season so far:
* The lack of conditioning reeks to me of a team who assumed they would make the semi finals and aim to “peak” then. There is no doubt we play a slow, tired game.
* Stuart has been known to give the senior players a lot of say in how the team has run. This is fine when the team is performing well, but can be tricky if things go south. When the same players were underperforming, he has handled it extremely poorly, and got most of them offside. To try and win the PR war, he has leaked to journalists and made the situation worse. Other coaches, in particular Robinson and Bellamy, keep dealings in house, and back their senior players to rediscover form (Jake Friend being a pertinent example - he was being boo’d by his own fans, and Robinson backed him).
* Our attack structure is abysmal. I don’t buy the narrative that we had no structure in 2016. Wighton had a bucketload of try involvements that year, all coming from good structure, players in movement and hole running. Yes - there was the adlib play as well (Leipana, Austin), but that was supported by good structure.
* Our defence has fallen off a cliff. Some of that is down to CNK’s absence, but plenty is also due to a clear lack of physicality and desire to win collisions, constantly battling for field position and conceding points in blocks.
Stuart deserves the time to try and get some of this right, but he got a lot wrong this season.
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My first thought was Croker was watching his horse run, but you’re right, Stick would have asked him to scootch over and make room.Northern Raider wrote:Most likely O'Brien. Knights were having a horror run before the weekend. Looks like the phone throwing did the trick too.-TW- wrote: ↑June 1, 2021, 11:36 amProbably Madge or Adam O'BrienT_R wrote:The Mole reports about an under pressure coach losing his mind. Thank goodness we have harmony in the Raiders dressing room!
Coach’s shed blow up
An angry coach who is already off with much of his squad lost a few more friends among the players after a stunning recent incident in the sheds.
At a mid-week rehab session, a player was getting a massage and as he was doing so, was quietly watching a horse race on his phone.
The coach was walking past at the time and flew into a rage, grabbing the phone off the shocked player and flinging it across the room.
Coaches are under massive pressure - I get that - and this bloke hasn't been winning… but that sort of over-the-top behaviour won't do anything to make an unhappy camp whole again.
Read more: https://wwos.nine.com.au/nrl/mole-cronu ... 6e9e92ad14
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I’ll say O’Brien, for no other reason than I imagine Newcastle is a bit of a horse place, on account of its proximity to Scone… I might be overthinking it
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Or there was a plastic chair across the room that really, really deserved it.
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Definitely overthinking. Most NRL players love a punt.Fuifui Bradbrad wrote: ↑June 3, 2021, 7:48 amMy first thought was Croker was watching his horse run, but you’re right, Stick would have asked him to scootch over and make room.Northern Raider wrote:Most likely O'Brien. Knights were having a horror run before the weekend. Looks like the phone throwing did the trick too.-TW- wrote: ↑June 1, 2021, 11:36 amProbably Madge or Adam O'BrienT_R wrote:The Mole reports about an under pressure coach losing his mind. Thank goodness we have harmony in the Raiders dressing room!
Coach’s shed blow up
An angry coach who is already off with much of his squad lost a few more friends among the players after a stunning recent incident in the sheds.
At a mid-week rehab session, a player was getting a massage and as he was doing so, was quietly watching a horse race on his phone.
The coach was walking past at the time and flew into a rage, grabbing the phone off the shocked player and flinging it across the room.
Coaches are under massive pressure - I get that - and this bloke hasn't been winning… but that sort of over-the-top behaviour won't do anything to make an unhappy camp whole again.
Read more: https://wwos.nine.com.au/nrl/mole-cronu ... 6e9e92ad14
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I’ll say O’Brien, for no other reason than I imagine Newcastle is a bit of a horse place, on account of its proximity to Scone… I might be overthinking it
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If it's O'Brien that 'don't you know who I am' incident has really got to him.
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forget Scone, Newcastle racecourse is right near their ground, the trots track is next door.Northern Raider wrote:Definitely overthinking. Most NRL players love a punt.Fuifui Bradbrad wrote: ↑June 3, 2021, 7:48 amMy first thought was Croker was watching his horse run, but you’re right, Stick would have asked him to scootch over and make room.Northern Raider wrote:Most likely O'Brien. Knights were having a horror run before the weekend. Looks like the phone throwing did the trick too.-TW- wrote: ↑June 1, 2021, 11:36 amProbably Madge or Adam O'BrienT_R wrote:The Mole reports about an under pressure coach losing his mind. Thank goodness we have harmony in the Raiders dressing room!
Coach’s shed blow up
An angry coach who is already off with much of his squad lost a few more friends among the players after a stunning recent incident in the sheds.
At a mid-week rehab session, a player was getting a massage and as he was doing so, was quietly watching a horse race on his phone.
The coach was walking past at the time and flew into a rage, grabbing the phone off the shocked player and flinging it across the room.
Coaches are under massive pressure - I get that - and this bloke hasn't been winning… but that sort of over-the-top behaviour won't do anything to make an unhappy camp whole again.
Read more: https://wwos.nine.com.au/nrl/mole-cronu ... 6e9e92ad14
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I’ll say O’Brien, for no other reason than I imagine Newcastle is a bit of a horse place, on account of its proximity to Scone… I might be overthinking it
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O'Brien was also the guy who was outed for pulling the "do you know who i am" on some punter at a race meet because he'd done his ****... so perhaps he's still scarred from it
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Sounds more like Rocky Stewart to me.
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omg @ the Tim Gore article on TheRoar.com.au: https://www.theroar.com.au/2021/06/03/r ... st-future/
he must be good mates with Ricky....
he must be good mates with Ricky....
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TL;DRmongoose wrote: ↑June 3, 2021, 12:19 pm omg @ the Tim Gore article on TheRoar.com.au: https://www.theroar.com.au/2021/06/03/r ... st-future/
he must be good mates with Ricky....
Ricky and Furner bleed a lot of green.
Ricky and Furner are just victims of outrageous bad luck since 2019 with injuries, COVID and a restive playing group.
Once more for the road, Ricky and Furner bleed green and we should be grateful that they don’t want to move to a warmer climate.
The end.
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It just doesn’t get any sillier than that…mongoose wrote: ↑June 3, 2021, 12:19 pm omg @ the Tim Gore article on TheRoar.com.au: https://www.theroar.com.au/2021/06/03/r ... st-future/
he must be good mates with Ricky....
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Ignoring the club has a whole hasn't been able to attract an actual "star" player to it in decades (we got a bunch of before they were stars or at best protentional stars, I don't think we have ever signed anyone after they were a known star player unless they were a nearly retired star player), has Stuart himself EVER signed a star player (genuine question)?
We don't seem to have the ability the Storm have to turn players into stars or at least above average players on a whim, we can't sign already established stars like the Roosters, we can't even hold on to most of the decent players we have discovered or lucked into. We seem to waste all our money on "loyalty" which is nuts considering the total lack of it we get back from any player ever. When are we going to actually sign someone who is an established star or at least emerging star player? The closest we have ever gotten was Tedesco before he walked back from the deal.
BTW this is how much of a bunch of sadists the guys running the website are... We still have it up there:
https://www.raiders.com.au/news/2014/05 ... s-tedesco/
We don't seem to have the ability the Storm have to turn players into stars or at least above average players on a whim, we can't sign already established stars like the Roosters, we can't even hold on to most of the decent players we have discovered or lucked into. We seem to waste all our money on "loyalty" which is nuts considering the total lack of it we get back from any player ever. When are we going to actually sign someone who is an established star or at least emerging star player? The closest we have ever gotten was Tedesco before he walked back from the deal.
BTW this is how much of a bunch of sadists the guys running the website are... We still have it up there:
https://www.raiders.com.au/news/2014/05 ... s-tedesco/
The extension
After that season changing game play and sensational top of the table, finals driving win, how long is Ricky's extension on Monday going to be for?
I'm thinking 5 more years. Surely?
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Sound advice for all.Mickey_Raider wrote: ↑June 12, 2021, 9:46 pm Just enjoy the win, have a few bevies and go to bed mate.
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Supporters site?
More like bag out all the players and the coach site.
More like bag out all the players and the coach site.
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He's actually done well, so far as least, to avoid complete capitulation after the GWilly saga. I thought he'd lost some players but they generally looked happy. Two players apparently in the thick of it, Hodgson and Papa, looked fit and willing
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Also according to Kent on NRL360 Tapine will not be joining the Roosters and it's sorted
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Lui's in the 17 again and all is wellHong Kong Raider wrote: ↑June 14, 2021, 7:29 pm Also according to Kent on NRL360 Tapine will not be joining the Roosters and it's sorted
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My understanding is that certain players within the playing group didn't take kindly to Lui being dropped after 2 wins early in the season.
This started the rot within "the Band"...and we basically had ourselves a internal civil war between the Coach and that playing group...
It looks like BBQ 2.0 + some warranted open discussion between the coach and the Band has resolved a lot of the issues....hopefully we see an uptick in performances...
Clearly there has been some acknowledgement from both sides that things should have been done better and there seems to be an understanding that standards were not met.
Anyway, a happy group is a better performing group so I'm glad it has been resolved.
This started the rot within "the Band"...and we basically had ourselves a internal civil war between the Coach and that playing group...
It looks like BBQ 2.0 + some warranted open discussion between the coach and the Band has resolved a lot of the issues....hopefully we see an uptick in performances...
Clearly there has been some acknowledgement from both sides that things should have been done better and there seems to be an understanding that standards were not met.
Anyway, a happy group is a better performing group so I'm glad it has been resolved.
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We’ve won 3 of our last 5.
Beat Dogs (16th)
Smashed the bye.
Beat Donkeys (15th)
Stick has it sorted.
Beat Dogs (16th)
Smashed the bye.
Beat Donkeys (15th)
Stick has it sorted.
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Yeah sack him I think, I'm done. Just look absolutely brainless