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The first thing that would be a definite for me is not extending any of the following who are off contract - Williams, Soliola, Havili and Frawley. I would keep Lui if he's willing to sign on for minimum. Then I'd be telling Horsburgh and Hodgson that they're not getting another contract beyond their final year next year and let them go if they find another club... carry a couple hundred k for Hodgson if we need to in order to get him out before next season imo. If Starling is our hooker from now, we just can't carry Hodgson... the money is better spent upgrading elsewhere. I think there are then a number of players that you wouldn't stand in the way of if they were to find deals elsewhere but those guys above all gotta go. A lot of our younger guys such as Kris, Guler, Simonsson - they're fringe first graders at the moment imo. Valemei is flat out not a first grade player at this stage and I'm not sure I have a lot of confidence in his progression. Outside of halfback, I'd be recruiting talent at second row and an outside back. Whatever other spots we need to fill should be focused on players who at least show some promise and are willing to put in the hard yards.
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I think a few people have forgotten about Trey Mooney. I am confident he will be in our 17 next year.
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Sydney_Raider wrote: September 3, 2021, 11:33 am I think a few people have forgotten about Trey Mooney. I am confident he will be in our 17 next year.
If Mooney is ready next year then I'd have him on the interchange to share the lock role with Whitehead
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Bottom 4 next year.
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Raiders_Pat wrote: September 3, 2021, 11:23 am The first thing that would be a definite for me is not extending any of the following who are off contract - Williams, Soliola, Havili and Frawley. I would keep Lui if he's willing to sign on for minimum. Then I'd be telling Horsburgh and Hodgson that they're not getting another contract beyond their final year next year and let them go if they find another club... carry a couple hundred k for Hodgson if we need to in order to get him out before next season imo. If Starling is our hooker from now, we just can't carry Hodgson... the money is better spent upgrading elsewhere. I think there are then a number of players that you wouldn't stand in the way of if they were to find deals elsewhere but those guys above all gotta go. A lot of our younger guys such as Kris, Guler, Simonsson - they're fringe first graders at the moment imo. Valemei is flat out not a first grade player at this stage and I'm not sure I have a lot of confidence in his progression. Outside of halfback, I'd be recruiting talent at second row and an outside back. Whatever other spots we need to fill should be focused on players who at least show some promise and are willing to put in the hard yards.
too late. 2 already have been
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Matt wrote: September 3, 2021, 2:46 pm
Raiders_Pat wrote: September 3, 2021, 11:23 am The first thing that would be a definite for me is not extending any of the following who are off contract - Williams, Soliola, Havili and Frawley. I would keep Lui if he's willing to sign on for minimum. Then I'd be telling Horsburgh and Hodgson that they're not getting another contract beyond their final year next year and let them go if they find another club... carry a couple hundred k for Hodgson if we need to in order to get him out before next season imo. If Starling is our hooker from now, we just can't carry Hodgson... the money is better spent upgrading elsewhere. I think there are then a number of players that you wouldn't stand in the way of if they were to find deals elsewhere but those guys above all gotta go. A lot of our younger guys such as Kris, Guler, Simonsson - they're fringe first graders at the moment imo. Valemei is flat out not a first grade player at this stage and I'm not sure I have a lot of confidence in his progression. Outside of halfback, I'd be recruiting talent at second row and an outside back. Whatever other spots we need to fill should be focused on players who at least show some promise and are willing to put in the hard yards.
too late. 2 already have been
who?
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Raiders_Pat wrote: September 3, 2021, 2:55 pm
Matt wrote: September 3, 2021, 2:46 pm
Raiders_Pat wrote: September 3, 2021, 11:23 am The first thing that would be a definite for me is not extending any of the following who are off contract - Williams, Soliola, Havili and Frawley. I would keep Lui if he's willing to sign on for minimum. Then I'd be telling Horsburgh and Hodgson that they're not getting another contract beyond their final year next year and let them go if they find another club... carry a couple hundred k for Hodgson if we need to in order to get him out before next season imo. If Starling is our hooker from now, we just can't carry Hodgson... the money is better spent upgrading elsewhere. I think there are then a number of players that you wouldn't stand in the way of if they were to find deals elsewhere but those guys above all gotta go. A lot of our younger guys such as Kris, Guler, Simonsson - they're fringe first graders at the moment imo. Valemei is flat out not a first grade player at this stage and I'm not sure I have a lot of confidence in his progression. Outside of halfback, I'd be recruiting talent at second row and an outside back. Whatever other spots we need to fill should be focused on players who at least show some promise and are willing to put in the hard yards.
too late. 2 already have been
who?
Sammy and Frawley have been re-signed
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Matt wrote: September 3, 2021, 2:57 pm
Raiders_Pat wrote: September 3, 2021, 2:55 pm
Matt wrote: September 3, 2021, 2:46 pm
Raiders_Pat wrote: September 3, 2021, 11:23 am The first thing that would be a definite for me is not extending any of the following who are off contract - Williams, Soliola, Havili and Frawley. I would keep Lui if he's willing to sign on for minimum. Then I'd be telling Horsburgh and Hodgson that they're not getting another contract beyond their final year next year and let them go if they find another club... carry a couple hundred k for Hodgson if we need to in order to get him out before next season imo. If Starling is our hooker from now, we just can't carry Hodgson... the money is better spent upgrading elsewhere. I think there are then a number of players that you wouldn't stand in the way of if they were to find deals elsewhere but those guys above all gotta go. A lot of our younger guys such as Kris, Guler, Simonsson - they're fringe first graders at the moment imo. Valemei is flat out not a first grade player at this stage and I'm not sure I have a lot of confidence in his progression. Outside of halfback, I'd be recruiting talent at second row and an outside back. Whatever other spots we need to fill should be focused on players who at least show some promise and are willing to put in the hard yards.
too late. 2 already have been
who?
Sammy and Frawley have been re-signed
Really? When did that happen? You could make a case to re-sign one but definitely not two... terrible retention decision. It's very hard to be positive about next season.
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Raiders_Pat wrote: September 3, 2021, 2:59 pm
Matt wrote: September 3, 2021, 2:57 pm
Raiders_Pat wrote: September 3, 2021, 2:55 pm
Matt wrote: September 3, 2021, 2:46 pm
Raiders_Pat wrote: September 3, 2021, 11:23 am The first thing that would be a definite for me is not extending any of the following who are off contract - Williams, Soliola, Havili and Frawley. I would keep Lui if he's willing to sign on for minimum. Then I'd be telling Horsburgh and Hodgson that they're not getting another contract beyond their final year next year and let them go if they find another club... carry a couple hundred k for Hodgson if we need to in order to get him out before next season imo. If Starling is our hooker from now, we just can't carry Hodgson... the money is better spent upgrading elsewhere. I think there are then a number of players that you wouldn't stand in the way of if they were to find deals elsewhere but those guys above all gotta go. A lot of our younger guys such as Kris, Guler, Simonsson - they're fringe first graders at the moment imo. Valemei is flat out not a first grade player at this stage and I'm not sure I have a lot of confidence in his progression. Outside of halfback, I'd be recruiting talent at second row and an outside back. Whatever other spots we need to fill should be focused on players who at least show some promise and are willing to put in the hard yards.
too late. 2 already have been
who?
Sammy and Frawley have been re-signed
Really? When did that happen? You could make a case to re-sign one but definitely not two... terrible retention decision. It's very hard to be positive about next season.
like a month ago, or more
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Matt wrote: September 3, 2021, 3:00 pm
Raiders_Pat wrote: September 3, 2021, 2:59 pm
Matt wrote: September 3, 2021, 2:57 pm
Raiders_Pat wrote: September 3, 2021, 2:55 pm
Matt wrote: September 3, 2021, 2:46 pm

too late. 2 already have been
who?
Sammy and Frawley have been re-signed
Really? When did that happen? You could make a case to re-sign one but definitely not two... terrible retention decision. It's very hard to be positive about next season.
like a month ago, or more
I saw that we were looking to re-sign Williams but didn't know that the deal actually got over the line in the end...
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Raiders_Pat wrote: September 3, 2021, 3:04 pm
Matt wrote: September 3, 2021, 3:00 pm
Raiders_Pat wrote: September 3, 2021, 2:59 pm
Matt wrote: September 3, 2021, 2:57 pm
Raiders_Pat wrote: September 3, 2021, 2:55 pm
who?
Sammy and Frawley have been re-signed
Really? When did that happen? You could make a case to re-sign one but definitely not two... terrible retention decision. It's very hard to be positive about next season.
like a month ago, or more
I saw that we were looking to re-sign Williams but didn't know that the deal actually got over the line in the end...
Ive just messaged GE. Canberra Times said we re-signed Sammy, but Raiders havent said it apparently. Only 'want' to re-sign Frawls. So, maybe we arent totally stuffed.
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Matt wrote: September 3, 2021, 3:12 pm
Raiders_Pat wrote: September 3, 2021, 3:04 pm
Matt wrote: September 3, 2021, 3:00 pm
Raiders_Pat wrote: September 3, 2021, 2:59 pm
Matt wrote: September 3, 2021, 2:57 pm

Sammy and Frawley have been re-signed
Really? When did that happen? You could make a case to re-sign one but definitely not two... terrible retention decision. It's very hard to be positive about next season.
like a month ago, or more
I saw that we were looking to re-sign Williams but didn't know that the deal actually got over the line in the end...
Ive just messaged GE. Canberra Times said we re-signed Sammy, but Raiders havent said it apparently. Only 'want' to re-sign Frawls. So, maybe we arent totally stuffed.
If Williams is re-signed to purely be the NSW cup / lower grade half to assist with development and never set foot on the field for our NRL side again, I can live with it. And if we've signed Williams, then I'm sorry but Frawley needs to go. I would honestly rather somebody like Ash Taylor taking up that spot - somebody who we shouldn't have to call upon unless our starting halves and Schneider are all injured, who actually has the potential to play at a higher level, but it wouldn't matter if we never got that from him. Or Benji Marshall would be perfect for that back up role - provides some experience and leadership as well as being levels above Williams and Frawley.
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Raiders_Pat wrote: September 3, 2021, 3:24 pm
Matt wrote: September 3, 2021, 3:12 pm
Raiders_Pat wrote: September 3, 2021, 3:04 pm
Matt wrote: September 3, 2021, 3:00 pm
Raiders_Pat wrote: September 3, 2021, 2:59 pm
Really? When did that happen? You could make a case to re-sign one but definitely not two... terrible retention decision. It's very hard to be positive about next season.
like a month ago, or more
I saw that we were looking to re-sign Williams but didn't know that the deal actually got over the line in the end...
Ive just messaged GE. Canberra Times said we re-signed Sammy, but Raiders havent said it apparently. Only 'want' to re-sign Frawls. So, maybe we arent totally stuffed.
If Williams is re-signed to purely be the NSW cup / lower grade half to assist with development and never set foot on the field for our NRL side again, I can live with it. And if we've signed Williams, then I'm sorry but Frawley needs to go. I would honestly rather somebody like Ash Taylor taking up that spot - somebody who we shouldn't have to call upon unless our starting halves and Schneider are all injured, who actually has the potential to play at a higher level, but it wouldn't matter if we never got that from him. Or Benji Marshall would be perfect for that back up role - provides some experience and leadership as well as being levels above Williams and Frawley.
I agree. We only need 1 of those 2 guys... coz lets face it, they are the same guy.
Pearce for 1-2yrs or Benji for 1, would do a guy like Schnider the world of good IMO.

As for Ash, at 200-300K for 2yrs, I think the risk is pretty low at our end.
Ive said anything up to 400K for 2yrs, for Brooks is pretty low risk.
TBH, i dont think either are worth more than 400-500K anyway, and they are paid twice that currently.
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Matt wrote: September 3, 2021, 3:41 pm
Raiders_Pat wrote: September 3, 2021, 3:24 pm
Matt wrote: September 3, 2021, 3:12 pm
Raiders_Pat wrote: September 3, 2021, 3:04 pm
Matt wrote: September 3, 2021, 3:00 pm

like a month ago, or more
I saw that we were looking to re-sign Williams but didn't know that the deal actually got over the line in the end...
Ive just messaged GE. Canberra Times said we re-signed Sammy, but Raiders havent said it apparently. Only 'want' to re-sign Frawls. So, maybe we arent totally stuffed.
If Williams is re-signed to purely be the NSW cup / lower grade half to assist with development and never set foot on the field for our NRL side again, I can live with it. And if we've signed Williams, then I'm sorry but Frawley needs to go. I would honestly rather somebody like Ash Taylor taking up that spot - somebody who we shouldn't have to call upon unless our starting halves and Schneider are all injured, who actually has the potential to play at a higher level, but it wouldn't matter if we never got that from him. Or Benji Marshall would be perfect for that back up role - provides some experience and leadership as well as being levels above Williams and Frawley.
I agree. We only need 1 of those 2 guys... coz lets face it, they are the same guy.
Pearce for 1-2yrs or Benji for 1, would do a guy like Schnider the world of good IMO.

As for Ash, at 200-300K for 2yrs, I think the risk is pretty low at our end.
Ive said anything up to 400K for 2yrs, for Brooks is pretty low risk.
TBH, i dont think either are worth more than 400-500K anyway, and they are paid twice that currently.
What's stopping us from bringing in both Pearce and Benji? or Pearce and Ash Taylor? I think that's the type of thinking we need to have moving forward and it's not unachievable considering the G. Williams + Scott money, as well as Frawley's contract value, plus hopefully Croker money...
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Raiders_Pat wrote: September 3, 2021, 3:51 pm
Matt wrote: September 3, 2021, 3:41 pm
Raiders_Pat wrote: September 3, 2021, 3:24 pm
Matt wrote: September 3, 2021, 3:12 pm
Raiders_Pat wrote: September 3, 2021, 3:04 pm
I saw that we were looking to re-sign Williams but didn't know that the deal actually got over the line in the end...
Ive just messaged GE. Canberra Times said we re-signed Sammy, but Raiders havent said it apparently. Only 'want' to re-sign Frawls. So, maybe we arent totally stuffed.
If Williams is re-signed to purely be the NSW cup / lower grade half to assist with development and never set foot on the field for our NRL side again, I can live with it. And if we've signed Williams, then I'm sorry but Frawley needs to go. I would honestly rather somebody like Ash Taylor taking up that spot - somebody who we shouldn't have to call upon unless our starting halves and Schneider are all injured, who actually has the potential to play at a higher level, but it wouldn't matter if we never got that from him. Or Benji Marshall would be perfect for that back up role - provides some experience and leadership as well as being levels above Williams and Frawley.
I agree. We only need 1 of those 2 guys... coz lets face it, they are the same guy.
Pearce for 1-2yrs or Benji for 1, would do a guy like Schnider the world of good IMO.

As for Ash, at 200-300K for 2yrs, I think the risk is pretty low at our end.
Ive said anything up to 400K for 2yrs, for Brooks is pretty low risk.
TBH, i dont think either are worth more than 400-500K anyway, and they are paid twice that currently.
What's stopping us from bringing in both Pearce and Benji? or Pearce and Ash Taylor? I think that's the type of thinking we need to have moving forward and it's not unachievable considering the G. Williams + Scott money, as well as Frawley's contract value, plus hopefully Croker money...
Nothing TBH. You could totally try that.
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1. Josh Dugan
2. Edrick Lee
3. Will Chambers
4. Dylan Walker
5. Blake Ferguson
6. Corey Norman
7. Ashley Taylor
8. Mark Nicholls
9. Danny Levi
10. Aaron Woods (c)
11. Jack Gosiewski
12. Shane Wright
13. John Asiata

14. Benji Marshall
15. Tyrone Peachy
16. Max King
17. Ofahiki Ogden
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I hate it this time of the year, when we are knocked out and there's still several months before the cricket starts. I didn't watch the GFs in 2017-18 or any of the finals matches in those years.

Best wishes to the players, coaching staff and their families - it's been tough to play and train in these circumstances.

I'm still hurting after what I saw on Thursday night - pathetic display by a team that needed to win to make the semis. In our golden era, we would win 5-7 games straight just to make the semis. This year, we were on NRL360 for more our off field exploits than on field performances.

I hope to hear that we have signed a good assistant attacking coach and half soon.
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zim wrote: September 4, 2021, 12:46 am 1. Josh Dugan
2. Edrick Lee
3. Will Chambers
4. Dylan Walker
5. Blake Ferguson
6. Corey Norman
7. Ashley Taylor
8. Mark Nicholls
9. Danny Levi
10. Aaron Woods (c)
11. Jack Gosiewski
12. Shane Wright
13. John Asiata

14. Benji Marshall
15. Tyrone Peachy
16. Max King
17. Ofahiki Ogden
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Yep. What a list.
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I thought Mark Nicholls was Souffs captain? He's being turfed?
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That team above would dead set beat our team
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I'd bring Nicholls back in a heartbeat (if he is in fact off contract). He's been excellent for Souffs this year. I also think Pearce is a better short term option than Dylan Brown unless you signed Brown to play five eighth and moved Wighton to lock. Imo, Brown and Wighton are too similar and would just create a duplicate of what we already have and that just would not work.

I can't have Whitehead in my starting side. He looks gassed after five minutes and I think he's a terrible leader.

Based on what we actually know I'd have this side:

CNK
Savage
HSS
Timoko
Rapana
Wighton
Frawley
Tapine
Young
CHN
Papalii
Starling
Sutton

Whitehead
Guler
Kris
James

Not much to write home about I know, but that's the best side IMO based on who we have under contract
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Hong Kong Raider wrote: September 4, 2021, 9:28 am I hate it this time of the year, when we are knocked out and there's still several months before the cricket starts. I didn't watch the GFs in 2017-18 or any of the finals matches in those years.

Best wishes to the players, coaching staff and their families - it's been tough to play and train in these circumstances.

I'm still hurting after what I saw on Thursday night - pathetic display by a team that needed to win to make the semis. In our golden era, we would win 5-7 games straight just to make the semis. This year, we were on NRL360 for more our off field exploits than on field performances.

I hope to hear that we have signed a good assistant attacking coach and half soon.
I was feeling the same, so I've looked up when the cricket starts on TV and it turns out that the Domestic 50 over competition starts this Saturday.

I guess I'll be getting invested in cricket earlier than normal this year.
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I agree we are bottom 4 unless we admit we have screwed up on our current contracts, take a hit and pay some freight on a few players and create some genuine roster space to bring in new talent, new culture, new enthusiasm. The same same being listed above is not going to be pretty viewing….
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Hong Kong Raider wrote: September 4, 2021, 9:28 am I hate it this time of the year, when we are knocked out and there's still several months before the cricket starts. I didn't watch the GFs in 2017-18 or any of the finals matches in those years.

Best wishes to the players, coaching staff and their families - it's been tough to play and train in these circumstances.

I'm still hurting after what I saw on Thursday night - pathetic display by a team that needed to win to make the semis. In our golden era, we would win 5-7 games straight just to make the semis. This year, we were on NRL360 for more our off field exploits than on field performances.

I hope to hear that we have signed a good assistant attacking coach and half soon.
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Not much to look forward to.
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EPL and F1 holds me over nicely until the proper Cricket starts.

Really been getting into F1 in particular over the last 1-2 years. Incredible sport - no other competition in the world pushes so hard for such small margins. A club like ours could learn an endless amount of things from the way F1 teams operate.
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NBA and Leeds United over the off-season.

After a poor season I am happy to not have to deal with the Raiders for a while. Gives me a chance to decompress.
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Mickey_Raider wrote: September 6, 2021, 12:00 pm NBA and Leeds United over the off-season.

After a poor season I am happy to not have to deal with the Raiders for a while. Gives me a chance to decompress.
After the dysfunction of a Canberra Raiders season, i personally look forward to a break away from that kind of madness and settle into drama free season from stable organisations like my Philadelphia Eagles and Sixers

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Mickey_Raider wrote: September 6, 2021, 12:00 pm NBA and Leeds United over the off-season.

After a poor season I am happy to not have to deal with the Raiders for a while. Gives me a chance to decompress.
Back to writing music and watching Everton, who are the Raiders of the EPL and love letting me down frequently. Although they are doing well under Benitez. So far...
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afgtnk wrote: September 6, 2021, 11:41 am EPL and F1 holds me over nicely until the proper Cricket starts.

Really been getting into F1 in particular over the last 1-2 years. Incredible sport - no other competition in the world pushes so hard for such small margins. A club like ours could learn an endless amount of things from the way F1 teams operate.
F1 is amazing.
Spewing I won’t be able to watch it live in Melbourne again…
Amazing experience if you get the chance..
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Mal Meninga
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Re: 2022

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Ashes cricket soon so that’ll keep me busy.
3rd Battalion Royal Australian Regiment..Old Faithful
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Re: 2022

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I have the upcoming Toronto Maple Leafs season to look forward to from early October.

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You may remember me from such forum usernames as hrundi99 and... hrundi99.
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Laurie Daley
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Re: 2022

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College football for me.
This place is woke.
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And of course Cricket
This place is woke.
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