RedRaider wrote: ↑July 24, 2021, 2:57 pm
I don't know that another NRL club would take the risk on Scott unless the Raiders were paying most of his cost. I know we are looking at talent in England. I see that as a more likely place for a player swap. Scott would likely do well there. There must be some 7 in the UK, Union or League, with a good kicking game and who has some footy smarts who wants an opportunity in the NRL.
And based on Scott bitching about lock down all over social media maybe he would enjoy "lets just remove all rules and see" in the UK.
Does anyone have a list of off-contract ESL players? Doesn't really seem to be much I can find easily.
Alternative, I still think we could do worse than Flanagan, for example right now we are currently doing worse than Flanagan who I think just doesn't do well with how the Bulldogs are coached. He was killing it in 2020 so maybe we could pick him up with the Bulldogs paying for most of his wages?
Fuifui Bradbrad wrote: ↑July 24, 2021, 11:21 am
I don’t know. Fair go to Pascoe for having a crack. Maybe he was just thinking “The worst they’ll say is no, what’s the harm in asking?”
What’s that expression “Aim for the moon, you might just land on a star.” Had Donny turned around and said yes, Pascoe would have praised for pulling off the biggest coup ever.
He would never have known if he never asked. I like this guy.
This type of audacity reminds me of seeing a fat drunk guy walking around the down stairs moose heads dance floor at 3.00am asking every girl there if she wants to go home with him
RedRaider wrote: ↑July 24, 2021, 2:57 pm
I don't know that another NRL club would take the risk on Scott unless the Raiders were paying most of his cost. I know we are looking at talent in England. I see that as a more likely place for a player swap. Scott would likely do well there. There must be some 7 in the UK, Union or League, with a good kicking game and who has some footy smarts who wants an opportunity in the NRL.
And based on Scott bitching about lock down all over social media maybe he would enjoy "lets just remove all rules and see" in the UK.
Does anyone have a list of off-contract ESL players? Doesn't really seem to be much I can find easily.
Alternative, I still think we could do worse than Flanagan, for example right now we are currently doing worse than Flanagan who I think just doesn't do well with how the Bulldogs are coached. He was killing it in 2020 so maybe we could pick him up with the Bulldogs paying for most of his wages?
Don't hate it.
Don't love it.
Also solves a potential GKing issue.
His job can be real simple too.
1. Pass to CHN early
2. Find grass with kicks.
3. Kick goals
4. Make ya tackles.
TBH, that's all we want from anyone at this point in time. A role player/ cog in the wheel.
Toviii wrote: ↑July 26, 2021, 3:10 pm
There’s no point buying a half that offers no upside to Williams or Frawley. Better to keep waiting it out and hope something comes up for 2023
TBF, Flanno has age and GKing upside on those 2.
Not sure Schnieder is any worse though.
He has a better kicking game than either Frawley or Williams. Genuine Fg goal kicker. Probably similar passing game. None of them really have a running game- I guess Sammy knows when to have a probe at it.
Flanagan had some games he looked quite good with the Roosters- yes, caveat in an excellent team with cream all around him. And he looked lost at times at the Dogs, down on confidence and asked to come in age 22 (?) and turn around a bottom 4 team. He wasn't up to that. But it wasn't really a wise decision to make that his job either.
I'd be open to Flanagan on a 1 year +1 option, at the right price. What do we have to lose? He'd be just as good as out current options (who are NEVER getting better) and still MAY have a higher ceiling and turn out to be a handy half.
If we are keeping Hodgo then Flanagan doesn't need to be the general as he was asked at the Dogs, Hodgo does most of that. Jack does the running and dynamics. As said, he'd have a simple job to feed CHN a mix of early balls and short balls and do the kicking.
So not a huge 3-4 year messiah deal. But our share being 400-500k for a year (GWilly money or just under) + option our favour second year. That's a decent buy so far as stop gaps that also may turn out a punt win.
RedRaider wrote: ↑July 24, 2021, 2:57 pm
I don't know that another NRL club would take the risk on Scott unless the Raiders were paying most of his cost. I know we are looking at talent in England. I see that as a more likely place for a player swap. Scott would likely do well there. There must be some 7 in the UK, Union or League, with a good kicking game and who has some footy smarts who wants an opportunity in the NRL.
And based on Scott bitching about lock down all over social media maybe he would enjoy "lets just remove all rules and see" in the UK.
Does anyone have a list of off-contract ESL players? Doesn't really seem to be much I can find easily.
Alternative, I still think we could do worse than Flanagan, for example right now we are currently doing worse than Flanagan who I think just doesn't do well with how the Bulldogs are coached. He was killing it in 2020 so maybe we could pick him up with the Bulldogs paying for most of his wages?
Don't hate it.
Don't love it.
Also solves a potential GKing issue.
His job can be real simple too.
1. Pass to CHN early
2. Find grass with kicks.
3. Kick goals
4. Make ya tackles.
TBH, that's all we want from anyone at this point in time. A role player/ cog in the wheel.
I think that game plan might be beyond Flanagan's capabilities.
He was the obvious weak link at the Roosters. They recognised it early and cut him loose. Dogs gave him a shot and he once again came up short.
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BJ wrote: ↑July 26, 2021, 7:17 pm
Geez Flanagan looks like an absolute plodder to me. OK kicking and passing game when he has 20 seconds to get the kick or pass away.
I dont rate Barret as a coach. So i wouldn't read into this seasons performance.
But the roosters sacking him raises a lot of questions. Without knowing the details, difficult to know if he can recover to be a solid half.
1 - flanagan was not killing it in 2020. he was coasting off the back of an exceptional roosters team and their coach punted him because he saw it.
2 - brooks is significantly better than williams. if no other options become available you take the upgrade on a 2 year deal and see how it pans out
3 - i'd definitely be giving schneider more of a go this year to see how he pans out
4 - id be playing frawley ahead of williams
simo wrote: ↑July 27, 2021, 7:59 am
1 - flanagan was not killing it in 2020. he was coasting off the back of an exceptional roosters team and their coach punted him because he saw it.
2 - brooks is significantly better than williams. if no other options become available you take the upgrade on a 2 year deal and see how it pans out
3 - i'd definitely be giving schneider more of a go this year to see how he pans out
4 - id be playing frawley ahead of williams
Simo has nailed this.
How the hell did we go full circle and end up at Flanagan again? Jeeeezzzz….
Pretty obvious the club isn't interested in any of the players mentioned who are available and instead is happy to wait for the right player to enter the market. Lets face it, we aren't winning a premiership with any of those players at half back so we might as well tough it out for another year until the right player comes along
Raider Azz wrote: ↑July 27, 2021, 9:01 am
Pretty obvious the club isn't interested in any of the players mentioned who are available and instead is happy to wait for the right player to enter the market. Lets face it, we aren't winning a premiership with any of those players at half back so we might as well tough it out for another year until the right player comes along
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sounds like a great way to spiral our way to the bottom of the comp. you dont build success by throwing years.
Raider Azz wrote: ↑July 27, 2021, 9:01 am
Pretty obvious the club isn't interested in any of the players mentioned who are available and instead is happy to wait for the right player to enter the market. Lets face it, we aren't winning a premiership with any of those players at half back so we might as well tough it out for another year until the right player comes along
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sounds like a great way to spiral our way to the bottom of the comp. you dont build success by throwing years.
You also don't build success by recruiting discards from the bottom teams. Playing a longer game in roster management is far better than trying to play catchup every year.
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Azza wrote:Yep. It's frustrating because without a decent half it's hard to see us being a contender in 2022.
Was being a contender next year even a possibility? I’ve had a line through next year since GWilly departed.
Your logic is circular, but anyway, I am feeling more optimistic about our outside backs situation - however I don't think we are much chance without an upgrade at 7. And I don't mean Brooks.
Raider Azz wrote: ↑July 27, 2021, 9:01 am
Pretty obvious the club isn't interested in any of the players mentioned who are available and instead is happy to wait for the right player to enter the market. Lets face it, we aren't winning a premiership with any of those players at half back so we might as well tough it out for another year until the right player comes along
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sounds like a great way to spiral our way to the bottom of the comp. you dont build success by throwing years.
You also don't build success by recruiting discards from the bottom teams. Playing a longer game in roster management is far better than trying to play catchup every year.
yeah if you think a 2 year deal for an upgarde in a key position while no other options are available is going to set you back long term then you are very much wrong. you dont get to play this magical "long game" unless you have a young squad with juniors coming through in key positions. you just end up like the bulldogs are.
Raider Azz wrote: ↑July 27, 2021, 9:01 am
Pretty obvious the club isn't interested in any of the players mentioned who are available and instead is happy to wait for the right player to enter the market. Lets face it, we aren't winning a premiership with any of those players at half back so we might as well tough it out for another year until the right player comes along
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sounds like a great way to spiral our way to the bottom of the comp. you dont build success by throwing years.
Weird post. The actual way to spiral to the bottom of the comp is to sign a player that doesn't improve the team because of the blind belief that we need a replacement right now.
Waiting one year is not playing the "long game". The club simply believes that who is on the market right now is not any better than what we currently have.
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Azza wrote:Yep. It's frustrating because without a decent half it's hard to see us being a contender in 2022.
Was being a contender next year even a possibility? I’ve had a line through next year since GWilly departed.
Your logic is circular, but anyway, I am feeling more optimistic about our outside backs situation - however I don't think we are much chance without an upgrade at 7. And I don't mean Brooks.
I think we agree, but our timelines are different. I’m looking more to 2023 for us to be successful again.
I’ve said on here before, I’m happy to keep the status quo for next year, keep an eye on Schneider next year and see if he’s worthy of taking the 7 in 2023.
I don’t see the point in signing a young half who isn’t much better than what we currently have, if Schneider could be the way forward.
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Raider Azz wrote: ↑July 27, 2021, 9:01 am
Pretty obvious the club isn't interested in any of the players mentioned who are available and instead is happy to wait for the right player to enter the market. Lets face it, we aren't winning a premiership with any of those players at half back so we might as well tough it out for another year until the right player comes along
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sounds like a great way to spiral our way to the bottom of the comp. you dont build success by throwing years.
Weird post. The actual way to spiral to the bottom of the comp is to sign a player that doesn't improve the team because of the blind belief that we need a replacement right now
you dont think brooks is an upgrade on sam williams?? i didnt even contemplate that that would be anyones take. thats on me i guess...
Raider Azz wrote: ↑July 27, 2021, 9:01 am
Pretty obvious the club isn't interested in any of the players mentioned who are available and instead is happy to wait for the right player to enter the market. Lets face it, we aren't winning a premiership with any of those players at half back so we might as well tough it out for another year until the right player comes along
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sounds like a great way to spiral our way to the bottom of the comp. you dont build success by throwing years.
Weird post. The actual way to spiral to the bottom of the comp is to sign a player that doesn't improve the team because of the blind belief that we need a replacement right now
you dont think brooks is an upgrade on sam williams?? i didnt even contemplate that that would be anyones take. thats on me i guess...
I don't, the club clearly doesn't, and plenty of other posters in this thread do not believe that Brooks is an upgrade on Williams, or even giving Schnieder a crack next year.
Raider Azz wrote: ↑July 27, 2021, 9:01 am
Pretty obvious the club isn't interested in any of the players mentioned who are available and instead is happy to wait for the right player to enter the market. Lets face it, we aren't winning a premiership with any of those players at half back so we might as well tough it out for another year until the right player comes along
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sounds like a great way to spiral our way to the bottom of the comp. you dont build success by throwing years.
Weird post. The actual way to spiral to the bottom of the comp is to sign a player that doesn't improve the team because of the blind belief that we need a replacement right now
you dont think brooks is an upgrade on sam williams?? i didnt even contemplate that that would be anyones take. thats on me i guess...
I don't, the club clearly doesn't, and plenty of other posters in this thread do not believe that Brooks is an upgrade on Williams, or even giving Schnieder a crack next year.
So yeah, that is on you.
im sorry for not valuing the opinions of plenty of other posters here. just because the club hasnt signed brooks does not mean they wouldnt think hes an upgrade on sam. i guess we dont think cleary is an upgrade either because we havent made him an offer. clearly.
**** does cleary have to with anything lmao. way to move the goal posts. cleary is staying put at the panthers. it's been pretty well reported that the tigers have been shopping brooks around and also been pretty well reported that we took a look at him but in the end weren't interested because we didn't consider him enough of an upgrade. all that evidence is in this thread. whether you agree with the club's stance or not is up to you. as already mentioned i agree with them.
Raider Azz wrote: ↑July 27, 2021, 9:01 am
Pretty obvious the club isn't interested in any of the players mentioned who are available and instead is happy to wait for the right player to enter the market. Lets face it, we aren't winning a premiership with any of those players at half back so we might as well tough it out for another year until the right player comes along
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sounds like a great way to spiral our way to the bottom of the comp. you dont build success by throwing years.
You also don't build success by recruiting discards from the bottom teams. Playing a longer game in roster management is far better than trying to play catchup every year.
yeah if you think a 2 year deal for an upgarde in a key position while no other options are available is going to set you back long term then you are very much wrong. you dont get to play this magical "long game" unless you have a young squad with juniors coming through in key positions. you just end up like the bulldogs are.
Needs to be a genuine upgrade for that philosophy to work.
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Azza wrote:Yep. It's frustrating because without a decent half it's hard to see us being a contender in 2022.
Was being a contender next year even a possibility? I’ve had a line through next year since GWilly departed.
Your logic is circular, but anyway, I am feeling more optimistic about our outside backs situation - however I don't think we are much chance without an upgrade at 7. And I don't mean Brooks.
I think we agree, but our timelines are different. I’m looking more to 2023 for us to be successful again.
I’ve said on here before, I’m happy to keep the status quo for next year, keep an eye on Schneider next year and see if he’s worthy of taking the 7 in 2023.
I don’t see the point in signing a young half who isn’t much better than what we currently have, if Schneider could be the way forward.
Yeah, I'm accepting we won't be competitive for the premiership in 2022 - it's just incredibly disappointing given how long we've waited and it seemed our premiership window was wide open at the beginning of this year.
Raider Azz wrote: ↑July 27, 2021, 11:11 am
**** does cleary have to with anything lmao. way to move the goal posts. cleary is staying put at the panthers. it's been pretty well reported that the tigers have been shopping brooks around and also been pretty well reported that we took a look at him but in the end weren't interested. all that evidence is in this thread. whether you agree with the club's stance or not is up to you. as already mentioned i agree with them.
ive seen zero evidence that the club isnt interested besides laughing at a swap deal of wighton and hodgo for brooks and mbye. saying the club clearly agrees that sam williams > luke brookes based on that is exactly why i value your take as highly as i do*.
*i dont value it, just in case you derive something else from this
Azza wrote:Yep. It's frustrating because without a decent half it's hard to see us being a contender in 2022.
Was being a contender next year even a possibility? I’ve had a line through next year since GWilly departed.
Your logic is circular, but anyway, I am feeling more optimistic about our outside backs situation - however I don't think we are much chance without an upgrade at 7. And I don't mean Brooks.
I think we agree, but our timelines are different. I’m looking more to 2023 for us to be successful again.
I’ve said on here before, I’m happy to keep the status quo for next year, keep an eye on Schneider next year and see if he’s worthy of taking the 7 in 2023.
I don’t see the point in signing a young half who isn’t much better than what we currently have, if Schneider could be the way forward.
Yeah, I'm accepting we won't be competitive for the premiership in 2022 - it's just incredibly disappointing given how long we've waited and it seemed our premiership window was wide open at the beginning of this year.
Things are pretty fluid these days. I wouldn't write off our 2022 hopes until we have Sam Williams trotting out at halfback on 1 July.
If we had money freely available in the past few months we could have made a play for Reece Walsh, Nicho Hynes or Adam Reynolds. It's what made George Williams line of thought that he was doing us a favour by hanging around till the end of the year so funny. His agitation cost us a realistic shot at several mitigation options, we'd have been better off with him walking out in March.
People may not rate him (for good reason) but Luke Brooks is a clear upgrade on our current halfback options.
He is currently overpaid, is surrounded by numpties and is playing behind a poor pack at the Tigers, but he has a nice running game and has enough vision to actually set up a try.
You'd have to get him at the right price though, closer to $500k than $850k.
Seiffert82 wrote: ↑July 27, 2021, 3:15 pm
People may not rate him (for good reason) but Luke Brooks is a clear upgrade on our current halfback options.
He is currently overpaid, is surrounded by numpties and is playing behind a poor pack at the Tigers, but he has a nice running game and has enough vision to actually set up a try.
You'd have to get him at the right price though, closer to $500k than $850k.
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Agreed - Signing Brooks is better than Mr Plodder Williams being our main hb next year.
RedRaider wrote: ↑July 24, 2021, 2:57 pm
I don't know that another NRL club would take the risk on Scott unless the Raiders were paying most of his cost. I know we are looking at talent in England. I see that as a more likely place for a player swap. Scott would likely do well there. There must be some 7 in the UK, Union or League, with a good kicking game and who has some footy smarts who wants an opportunity in the NRL.
And based on Scott bitching about lock down all over social media maybe he would enjoy "lets just remove all rules and see" in the UK.
Does anyone have a list of off-contract ESL players? Doesn't really seem to be much I can find easily.
Alternative, I still think we could do worse than Flanagan, for example right now we are currently doing worse than Flanagan who I think just doesn't do well with how the Bulldogs are coached. He was killing it in 2020 so maybe we could pick him up with the Bulldogs paying for most of his wages?
Don't hate it.
Don't love it.
Also solves a potential GKing issue.
His job can be real simple too.
1. Pass to CHN early
2. Find grass with kicks.
3. Kick goals
4. Make ya tackles.
TBH, that's all we want from anyone at this point in time. A role player/ cog in the wheel.
I think that game plan might be beyond Flanagan's capabilities.
He was the obvious weak link at the Roosters. They recognised it early and cut him loose. Dogs gave him a shot and he once again came up short.
That is very possible.
He is named again this wk, so let's see
