2021 Rd 10 V Bulldogs: Game Day

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Who will win?

Raiders 13+
5
63%
Raiders 1-12
0
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Bulldogs 1-12
3
38%
Bulldogs 13+
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Ennis saying on Big League Wrap that the difference between the Papalii and Su'A incidents is not 3-5 weeks versus a fine.

Incidentally, the NRL only recently brought IN fines to ensure that players did not miss matches for "minor" incidents.

And now...
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Again, you can't divorce the action from the result

If i get behind the wheel when I'm high range, and I crash into a pole, I'm going to lose my license and be fined heavily
If i get behind the wheel when I'm high range, and I crash into a family and kill one of them, I'm going to jail

If i punch some random dude on the street, and the result is a black eye, I'll get charged with assault but I'd never see the inside of a cell.
If i punch some random dude on the street, and the blow kills him, I'm going to jail.

S'ua hit a guy high and he barely noticed it, Papalii hit a guy high and the dude suffered a brain injury.
The outcome of your actions matter.
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greeneyed wrote: May 16, 2021, 10:09 pm Ennis saying on Big League Wrap that the difference between the Papalii and Su'A incidents is not 3-5 weeks versus a fine.

Incidentally, the NRL only recently brought IN fines to ensure that players did not miss matches for "minor" incidents.

And now...
Agree GE.
The consistency is all over the shop and watch it get worse now that Mr Rugba Lee has come out basically saying the referees were over zealous...
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GreenMachine wrote: May 17, 2021, 9:59 am
greeneyed wrote: May 16, 2021, 10:09 pm Ennis saying on Big League Wrap that the difference between the Papalii and Su'A incidents is not 3-5 weeks versus a fine.

Incidentally, the NRL only recently brought IN fines to ensure that players did not miss matches for "minor" incidents.

And now...
Agree GE.
The consistency is all over the shop and watch it get worse now that Mr Rugba Lee has come out basically saying the referees were over zealous...
Yup. Change the interpretation on a few days notice and then critique the referees is a strange one. This is obvious cause and effect.
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I heard a funny analogy that f1 wouldn't put speed humps in to stop speed related crashes.
NRL and fans wanted a cleaner ruck, so they brought in the 6 again but now the coaches have worked out how to manipulate that so they go sin bin mad.

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bonehead wrote: May 17, 2021, 10:29 am I heard a funny analogy that f1 wouldn't put speed humps in to stop speed related crashes.
NRL and fans wanted a cleaner ruck, so they brought in the 6 again but now the coaches have worked out how to manipulate that so they go sin bin mad.

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They do a helluva lot of other things to make the sport safer though, many of which people believe is against the 'spirit' of racing.

They have gone through constant change and refinement, just like us.
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Botman wrote: May 17, 2021, 9:20 am Again, you can't divorce the action from the result

If i get behind the wheel when I'm high range, and I crash into a pole, I'm going to lose my license and be fined heavily
If i get behind the wheel when I'm high range, and I crash into a family and kill one of them, I'm going to jail

If i punch some random dude on the street, and the result is a black eye, I'll get charged with assault but I'd never see the inside of a cell.
If i punch some random dude on the street, and the blow kills him, I'm going to jail.

S'ua hit a guy high and he barely noticed it, Papalii hit a guy high and the dude suffered a brain injury.
The outcome of your actions matter.
Exactly right. Outcome has to be an influence on the penalty. Looks at other send off incidents on the weekend. Fuimaono high shot on Papenhuyzen saw a player taken off the field on a medicab. Ese'ese high shot resulted in a cranky winger. No way they get the same charge.
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afgtnk wrote: May 17, 2021, 11:40 am
bonehead wrote: May 17, 2021, 10:29 am I heard a funny analogy that f1 wouldn't put speed humps in to stop speed related crashes.
NRL and fans wanted a cleaner ruck, so they brought in the 6 again but now the coaches have worked out how to manipulate that so they go sin bin mad.

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They do a helluva lot of other things to make the sport safer though, many of which people believe is against the 'spirit' of racing.

They have gone through constant change and refinement, just like us.
Yep, speed bumps for F1 is a pretty poor analogy, even if it's tongue in cheek.
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Northern Raider wrote: May 17, 2021, 11:47 am
afgtnk wrote: May 17, 2021, 11:40 am
bonehead wrote: May 17, 2021, 10:29 am I heard a funny analogy that f1 wouldn't put speed humps in to stop speed related crashes.
NRL and fans wanted a cleaner ruck, so they brought in the 6 again but now the coaches have worked out how to manipulate that so they go sin bin mad.

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They do a helluva lot of other things to make the sport safer though, many of which people believe is against the 'spirit' of racing.

They have gone through constant change and refinement, just like us.
Yep, speed bumps for F1 is a pretty poor analogy, even if it's tongue in cheek.
Especially when you consider that in effect they've always put in plenty of 'speed bumps' - they're just called chicanes.

Putting in actual speed humps would be potentially dangerous and damaging to F1 cars.
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afgtnk wrote: May 17, 2021, 11:51 am
Northern Raider wrote: May 17, 2021, 11:47 am
afgtnk wrote: May 17, 2021, 11:40 am
bonehead wrote: May 17, 2021, 10:29 am I heard a funny analogy that f1 wouldn't put speed humps in to stop speed related crashes.
NRL and fans wanted a cleaner ruck, so they brought in the 6 again but now the coaches have worked out how to manipulate that so they go sin bin mad.

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They do a helluva lot of other things to make the sport safer though, many of which people believe is against the 'spirit' of racing.

They have gone through constant change and refinement, just like us.
Yep, speed bumps for F1 is a pretty poor analogy, even if it's tongue in cheek.
Especially when you consider that in effect they've always put in plenty of 'speed bumps' - they're just called chicanes.

Putting in actual speed humps would be potentially dangerous and damaging to F1 cars.
F1 introducing speed bumps would be more like NRL sending players out in these.

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afgtnk wrote: May 17, 2021, 11:40 am
bonehead wrote: May 17, 2021, 10:29 am I heard a funny analogy that f1 wouldn't put speed humps in to stop speed related crashes.
NRL and fans wanted a cleaner ruck, so they brought in the 6 again but now the coaches have worked out how to manipulate that so they go sin bin mad.

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They do a helluva lot of other things to make the sport safer though, many of which people believe is against the 'spirit' of racing.

They have gone through constant change and refinement, just like us.
Correct. Helmets, seat belts, monocoque chassis', fuel cells, HANS devices, HALOs. Constant change to make it safer.

Being in a vehicle going over 300km/h is inherently dangerous if it goes wrong and this is accepted. It doesn't mean you don't make adjustments to improve safety.

F1 drivers have survived impacts at 46G, because of their safety equipment.
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f1 is an interesting comparison because if it was just left unregulated there would be some pretty crazy fast cars out there. The regulations are supposed to slow the cars down. The 2021 regulations were to reduce downforce to lower cornering speed which the FIA argued had gotten too fast in 2020. So pole times are about 1.5 seconds slower than 2020 at the moment. Its a constant battle between engineers and the rule makers with the rule makers trying to slow the teams down.

I made the argument on LU that the current rules are very much like a big regulation change in f1. The storm and the panthers are like Mercedes at the start of the hybrid era where they have the perfect team for the rules that were randomly decided upon after Covid last year. We do not have the team to take advantage of the new rules
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If F1 was left unregulated humans simply wouldn't be able to drive the cars by themselves :lol: It'd be beyond their senses and innate capabilities.

Would need a heavy dose of AI to help control it in order to operate properly.
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afgtnk wrote:
Northern Raider wrote: May 17, 2021, 11:47 am
afgtnk wrote: May 17, 2021, 11:40 am
bonehead wrote: May 17, 2021, 10:29 am I heard a funny analogy that f1 wouldn't put speed humps in to stop speed related crashes.
NRL and fans wanted a cleaner ruck, so they brought in the 6 again but now the coaches have worked out how to manipulate that so they go sin bin mad.

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They do a helluva lot of other things to make the sport safer though, many of which people believe is against the 'spirit' of racing.

They have gone through constant change and refinement, just like us.
Yep, speed bumps for F1 is a pretty poor analogy, even if it's tongue in cheek.
Especially when you consider that in effect they've always put in plenty of 'speed bumps' - they're just called chicanes.

Putting in actual speed humps would be potentially dangerous and damaging to F1 cars.
Yeah this is true. Look at Bathurst when they put the chicane in at the end of Conrod to slow cars down, or the multiple chicanes they put in at Monza.

That said, old man Bernie did pitch artificially wetting the track to add excitement to the races
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NRL.com power rankings

10. Canberra Raiders (12)
Sometimes you just need to win, it doesn't matter what it looks like. And Canberra had to deal with adversity to beat the Bulldogs. But looking at their draw - they play the Storm and Roosters before having a bye - if the Raiders lose the next two games I've still got them missing the eight. Their win didn't inspire me that they'll go on a run.

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sOwArD hAtEs uS!!!!!1
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bonehead wrote: May 17, 2021, 10:29 am I heard a funny analogy that f1 wouldn't put speed humps in to stop speed related crashes.
NRL and fans wanted a cleaner ruck, so they brought in the 6 again but now the coaches have worked out how to manipulate that so they go sin bin mad.

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afgtnk wrote: May 17, 2021, 3:31 pm sOwArD hAtEs uS!!!!!1
I’m actually surprised he moved us up a couple of spots... did he watch that dribble on the weekend? We were EDIT!
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afgtnk wrote:sOwArD hAtEs uS!!!!!1
He does, and we’re ****.

Plus he’s **** at trivia.
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To be fair to Soward, he isnt alone, i also hate us.
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Botman wrote: May 17, 2021, 9:09 pm To be fair to Soward, he isnt alone, i also hate us.
I queried the background to this last year when I noticed that he didn't tip us in games like when we played Canterbury, the worst side in the comp. Greeneyed tells us there is a history when Ricky was at the Roosters and he was there .... All we have to do is shut him up, win well, and esp beat his Dragons; I believe he is a consultant there to Griffin like Matt Elliott
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Hong Kong Raider wrote: May 17, 2021, 10:40 pm
Botman wrote: May 17, 2021, 9:09 pm To be fair to Soward, he isnt alone, i also hate us.
I queried the background to this last year when I noticed that he didn't tip us in games like when we played Canterbury, the worst side in the comp. Greeneyed tells us there is a history when Ricky was at the Roosters and he was there .... All we have to do is shut him up, win well, and esp beat his Dragons; I believe he is a consultant there to Griffin like Matt Elliott
I think the issue is that he was a Raiders junior, born in Canberra, played juniors in the Riverina, and he was not retained.
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Botman wrote:To be fair to Soward, he isnt alone, i also hate us.
Ditto, **** the Raiders

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greeneyed wrote:
Hong Kong Raider wrote: May 17, 2021, 10:40 pm
Botman wrote: May 17, 2021, 9:09 pm To be fair to Soward, he isnt alone, i also hate us.
I queried the background to this last year when I noticed that he didn't tip us in games like when we played Canterbury, the worst side in the comp. Greeneyed tells us there is a history when Ricky was at the Roosters and he was there .... All we have to do is shut him up, win well, and esp beat his Dragons; I believe he is a consultant there to Griffin like Matt Elliott
I think the issue is that he was a Raiders junior, born in Canberra, played juniors in the Riverina, and he was not retained.
Didn't he get insane money to sign with the Roosters SG Ball side?

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Haha, the F1 analogy is glorious.

In 1994 after Sennas and Roland Ratzenburgers death at Imola, F1 decided it couldn’t change the regulations fast enough to limit the chances of a reoccurrence of the Senna incident (still under investigation at the time) and added temporary chicanes to both the Barcelona circuit and the famous Eau Rougue corner at Spa to - you guessed it - reduce the chances of speed related crashes.

They also later that year made a huge change to the technical regulations that added a timber section, known as ‘the plank’ to the underside of the floor to ensure that the floors had to ride at a minimum height to limit the amount of ground effect downforce that a car could generate, limiting the chances of aerodynamic decoupling and snap downforce reactions similar to that seen in the Senna incident. The plank became even more controversial when Schumacher had his measured post Spa and a section of it was under the allowable tolerance due to a spin sideways over a saw tooth kerb. The battle for reinstating his lost points became crucial in the hunt for his first world championship win that year.

So... in the space of a year they inserted the real world version of speed humps (tempo array tyre chicanes), made a radical technical change mid season, the adaptation to which had a major bearing on the outcome of the championship.
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T_R wrote: May 18, 2021, 6:50 am
greeneyed wrote:
Hong Kong Raider wrote: May 17, 2021, 10:40 pm
Botman wrote: May 17, 2021, 9:09 pm To be fair to Soward, he isnt alone, i also hate us.
I queried the background to this last year when I noticed that he didn't tip us in games like when we played Canterbury, the worst side in the comp. Greeneyed tells us there is a history when Ricky was at the Roosters and he was there .... All we have to do is shut him up, win well, and esp beat his Dragons; I believe he is a consultant there to Griffin like Matt Elliott
I think the issue is that he was a Raiders junior, born in Canberra, played juniors in the Riverina, and he was not retained.
Didn't he get insane money to sign with the Roosters SG Ball side?

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My memory is a bit foggy on it, his Wikipedia article suggests it was Flegg. I think the hope was the Raiders would compete to retain him... but the club wasn’t willing.
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Coastalraider wrote:Haha, the F1 analogy is glorious.

In 1994 after Sennas and Roland Ratzenburgers death at Imola, F1 decided it couldn’t change the regulations fast enough to limit the chances of a reoccurrence of the Senna incident (still under investigation at the time) and added temporary chicanes to both the Barcelona circuit and the famous Eau Rougue corner at Spa to - you guessed it - reduce the chances of speed related crashes.

They also later that year made a huge change to the technical regulations that added a timber section, known as ‘the plank’ to the underside of the floor to ensure that the floors had to ride at a minimum height to limit the amount of ground effect downforce that a car could generate, limiting the chances of aerodynamic decoupling and snap downforce reactions similar to that seen in the Senna incident. The plank became even more controversial when Schumacher had his measured post Spa and a section of it was under the allowable tolerance due to a spin sideways over a saw tooth kerb. The battle for reinstating his lost points became crucial in the hunt for his first world championship win that year.

So... in the space of a year they inserted the real world version of speed humps (tempo array tyre chicanes), made a radical technical change mid season, the adaptation to which had a major bearing on the outcome of the championship.
Wasn't that the final straw for straights no longer than 2km on GP circuits?

I know Mike Burgmann dying at Bathurst after his car flipped the barrier on Conrod made them put the chase in

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greeneyed wrote: May 18, 2021, 7:22 am
T_R wrote: May 18, 2021, 6:50 am
greeneyed wrote:
Hong Kong Raider wrote: May 17, 2021, 10:40 pm
Botman wrote: May 17, 2021, 9:09 pm To be fair to Soward, he isnt alone, i also hate us.
I queried the background to this last year when I noticed that he didn't tip us in games like when we played Canterbury, the worst side in the comp. Greeneyed tells us there is a history when Ricky was at the Roosters and he was there .... All we have to do is shut him up, win well, and esp beat his Dragons; I believe he is a consultant there to Griffin like Matt Elliott
I think the issue is that he was a Raiders junior, born in Canberra, played juniors in the Riverina, and he was not retained.
Didn't he get insane money to sign with the Roosters SG Ball side?

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My memory is a bit foggy on it, his Wikipedia article suggests it was Flegg. I think the hope was the Raiders would compete to retain him... but the club wasn’t willing.
It was indeed the Flegg side. From my own very hazy memory, they paid him $100k to move before he'd even played reserve grade... insane money back then.
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