Canberra Raiders interest in Matt Dufty goes cold

[Roger Kenworthy]

Not just unlikely
it's pretty much unprecedented at this point. And again, it's not just really high level ball playing but it's even basic catch and pass, its so rare. The ball dies with him so often and it can not, IMO, be overstated how debilitating that is to our offence, particularly in the red zone.

But he is who he is. And as i've said a number of times now, i absolutely get people who say they'd take him over Dufty. I really do. I think there is a lot of validity to the arguements raised on that side of this. He's EXCELLENT at so many parts of fullback play, and it positively contributes to winning. He's awesome at what he does.

This thing, IMO, comes down to each posters philosophical idea on how to win in 2021 and beyond is. I myself favour offence and i think that's where the game is headed. But i completely and totally accept people who are on the other side of this.

I don't disagree with any of this. I'm just playing devil's advocate in that I'm not sure Dufty is good enough on offense to warrant the gamble. When we look at the teams he has carved up this year it has been the Broncos, Bulldogs, early season Manly and the Eels. The Eels was impressive, I'll give you that. I just don't see him as a player who is going to produce enough points against sides like the Roosters, Panthers and Roosters to outweigh his defensive and positioning issues. I don't see CNK as a longterm solution with his limitations, but I'd hate to see us jump on Dufty because he's available and then miss out on a youngster like Ponga or Walsh being squeezed out of another club.

[Coastalraider]

Rumours Dufty isnt training with the dragons today....

[Botman]

I don't disagree with any of this. I'm just playing devil's advocate in that I'm not sure Dufty is good enough on offense to warrant the gamble. When we look at the teams he has carved up this year it has been the Broncos, Bulldogs, early season Manly and the Eels. The Eels was impressive, I'll give you that. I just don't see him as a player who is going to produce enough points against sides like the Roosters, Panthers and Roosters to outweigh his defensive and positioning issues. I don't see CNK as a longterm solution with his limitations, but I'd hate to see us jump on Dufty because he's available and then miss out on a youngster like Ponga or Walsh being squeezed out of another club.

I'd add that he was superb against the Storm as well, really carried them as much as you could expect given the surrounding talent and who was he playing
But yeah, i cant sit here and say hand on heart, that you'd be wrong to think that.
I think this is a huge gamble that could genuinely go either way and what you're saying about jumping at Dufty and the opportunity cost of missing some other young talent is a fair point

From what i've heard, Dufty is coming, but if something fell through or that mail was wrong, ill not be as disappointed because as said above, the club seems to be in agreement with people like me who think we need more out of the fullback spot than what CNK can give us. If that's not Dufty, that's ok, as long as they know its something to be addressed.

[Pete Cash]

We obviously have no idea how he would go. That is why how much we are paying him is important.

For the record i love CNK. I think he has the heart of an absolute warrior and is one of the hardest working players I have seen. He runs himself to exhaustion every week.

But...we do kinda need more ball playing than he is providing. He does pull a nice pass out every so often but he kills the attack dead more often than not. Maybe this is in part down to our horrendous structure and shape and general lack of speed but it is something that needs to be addressed one way or the other.

If we go into 2022 without Hodgson which i still think is more likely than not we will have very little ball playing at all. This is what the club needs to think about.

[Botman]

The team does have horrendous structure in attack and i think we'd be bottom of the league in moving bodies on backline movements, but to hand wave CNK's ball playing and say it that, just simply doesnt wash. Because we've seen since CNK left that with the same handicaps in structure and shape and lack of body movement, that other fullbacks, who arent THAT better at ball playing than him have been able to create tries that he cant create

This is a two pronged issue. We need an overhaul in attacking structure and coaching, and we need someone who is able to run basic sweep play/block play structure and create out of it instead of just dying with it

[greeneyed]

We rank third last for supports and ninth for decoys so you're probably not far wrong.

[papabear]

The team does have horrendous structure in attack and i think we'd be bottom of the league in moving bodies on backline movements, but to hand wave CNK's ball playing and say it that, just simply doesnt wash. Because we've seen since CNK left that with the same handicaps in structure and shape and lack of body movement, that other fullbacks, who arent THAT better at ball playing than him have been able to create tries that he cant create

This is a two pronged issue. We need an overhaul in attacking structure and coaching, and we need someone who is able to run basic sweep play/block play structure and create out of it instead of just dying with it

I agree with the above post.

For the record - I am in camp CNK, I think he is a quality player whom if he isnt our fullback should be a centre/winger for us. That said I am more then happy for him to remain as our fullback as I think what we lose in his ball playing we more then make up for in other attributes.

Wighton - is equally a very average ball player in a key ball playing position and nobody is advocating him to be moved.

Anyone thinking Dufty will solve our attacking issues is dreaming - our biggest issue with attack right now is structure, confidence and intent. We do not intend on attacking off enough plays, we dont have the confidence to take risk and we dont have enough players getting off their bums running decoys. IMO this is mostly down to coaching...Ricky needs a stronger attacking coach.

[-TW-]

Just seen the rumour from an NZ fan Instagram that we've bailed on Duffty. Probably the one that was mentioned a few posts back

Sent from my Pixel 5 using Tapatalk

[Canberra Milk]

I don't disagree with any of this. I'm just playing devil's advocate in that I'm not sure Dufty is good enough on offense to warrant the gamble. When we look at the teams he has carved up this year it has been the Broncos, Bulldogs, early season Manly and the Eels. The Eels was impressive, I'll give you that. I just don't see him as a player who is going to produce enough points against sides like the Roosters, Panthers and Roosters to outweigh his defensive and positioning issues. I don't see CNK as a longterm solution with his limitations, but I'd hate to see us jump on Dufty because he's available and then miss out on a youngster like Ponga or Walsh being squeezed out of another club.

That's fine, as long as you accept that that's a gamble too. You are waiting for the next young superstar 1) who may or may not emerge, 2) that we'll be able to identify them, and 3) that they'd be willing to come to Canberra, 4) that they don't end up a Milford or Ash Taylor or other young "superstar"

Warriors pulled off a brilliant move by getting Reece Walsh while everyone else was too busy looking at Suaali and Milford etc, but such moves don't come easily

[The Nickman]

The team does have horrendous structure in attack and i think we'd be bottom of the league in moving bodies on backline movements, but to hand wave CNK's ball playing and say it that, just simply doesnt wash. Because we've seen since CNK left that with the same handicaps in structure and shape and lack of body movement, that other fullbacks, who arent THAT better at ball playing than him have been able to create tries that he cant create

This is a two pronged issue. We need an overhaul in attacking structure and coaching, and we need someone who is able to run basic sweep play/block play structure and create out of it instead of just dying with it

I agree with the above post.

For the record - I am in camp CNK, I think he is a quality player whom if he isnt our fullback should be a centre/winger for us. That said I am more then happy for him to remain as our fullback as I think what we lose in his ball playing we more then make up for in other attributes.

Wighton - is equally a very average ball player in a key ball playing position and nobody is advocating him to be moved.

Anyone thinking Dufty will solve our attacking issues is dreaming - our biggest issue with attack right now is structure, confidence and intent. We do not intend on attacking off enough players, we dont have the confidence to take risk and we dont have enough players getting off their bums running decoys. IMO this is mostly down to coaching...Ricky needs a stronger attacking coach.

Absolutely nailed it.

[greeneyed]

Just seen the rumour from an NZ fan Instagram that we've bailed on Duffty. Probably the one that was mentioned a few posts back

Sent from my Pixel 5 using Tapatalk

It's nor correct, but it keeps reemerging.

[Seiffert82]

This team actually needs a halfback, not a dummy half trying to play both 9 and 7, surrounded by three running halves wearing the 1, 6 and 7 jerseys.

[Roger Kenworthy]

I don't disagree with any of this. I'm just playing devil's advocate in that I'm not sure Dufty is good enough on offense to warrant the gamble. When we look at the teams he has carved up this year it has been the Broncos, Bulldogs, early season Manly and the Eels. The Eels was impressive, I'll give you that. I just don't see him as a player who is going to produce enough points against sides like the Roosters, Panthers and Roosters to outweigh his defensive and positioning issues. I don't see CNK as a longterm solution with his limitations, but I'd hate to see us jump on Dufty because he's available and then miss out on a youngster like Ponga or Walsh being squeezed out of another club.

That's fine, as long as you accept that that's a gamble too. You are waiting for the next young superstar 1) who may or may not emerge, 2) that we'll be able to identify them, and 3) that they'd be willing to come to Canberra, 4) that they don't end up a Milford or Ash Taylor or other young "superstar"

Warriors pulled off a brilliant move by getting Reece Walsh while everyone else was too busy looking at Suaali and Milford etc, but such moves don't come easily

Absolutely. There's no sure thing here, and if you were going to play the percentages maybe you end up going with Dufty. If it's Dufty and an upgrade at halfback I could be convinced.

[Wiki Special]

The irony about people commenting on CNK's passing issues is it was his ball to Leilua that should have seen us leading in the 2019 GF. Beautiful ball in that instance.

The real irony is you are trying to defend his passing game and are having to go back two years to mention a decent pass

Sent from my SM-G975F using Tapatalk

I agree regarding his passing game and was not defending it. Just mentioning the irony that the play I mentioned could/should have won us a Premiership.

[CanberraJonno]

The longer we go without an announcement, the more I think it's not happening.

[sprintman]

Personally don’t think we need him.

[Old School Green]

The longer we go without an announcement, the more I think it's not happening.

There is zero chance an announcement is made this week when we play the dragons this week. If it's happening....announcement next week.

[CanberraJonno]

There is zero chance an announcement is made this week when we play the dragons this week. If it's happening....announcement next week.

Would be a great unsettlor for the Dragons though

[papabear]

There is zero chance an announcement is made this week when we play the dragons this week. If it's happening....announcement next week.

Would be a great unsettlor for the Dragons though

They just got drilled by the bulldogs - they appear to be unsettled...

[Finchy]

Any more on this one from your source radicalraider?

[Rickmando]

The team does have horrendous structure in attack and i think we'd be bottom of the league in moving bodies on backline movements, but to hand wave CNK's ball playing and say it that, just simply doesnt wash. Because we've seen since CNK left that with the same handicaps in structure and shape and lack of body movement, that other fullbacks, who arent THAT better at ball playing than him have been able to create tries that he cant create

This is a two pronged issue. We need an overhaul in attacking structure and coaching, and we need someone who is able to run basic sweep play/block play structure and create out of it instead of just dying with it

I agree with the above post.

For the record - I am in camp CNK, I think he is a quality player whom if he isnt our fullback should be a centre/winger for us. That said I am more then happy for him to remain as our fullback as I think what we lose in his ball playing we more then make up for in other attributes.

Wighton - is equally a very average ball player in a key ball playing position and nobody is advocating him to be moved.

Anyone thinking Dufty will solve our attacking issues is dreaming - our biggest issue with attack right now is structure, confidence and intent. We do not intend on attacking off enough plays, we dont have the confidence to take risk and we dont have enough players getting off their bums running decoys. IMO this is mostly down to coaching...Ricky needs a stronger attacking coach.

Always a nice sugar hit to have a player join us from a rival - but you’re 100% right. No individual player can fix this absolute mess Rick oversees on game day (and has done for years). Individual brilliance only gets you so far without a coherent system and style of play

[The Nickman]

<<<radicalraider has left the chat>>>

[afgtnk]

We need both a change in approach AND personnel. It's not one or the other. Nor do you wait for one issue to fix itself (approach) until you start tackling the other (recruitment).

Classic binarybear think.

[Raiders_Pat]

We need both a change in approach AND personnel. It's not one or the other. Nor do you wait for one issue to fix itself (approach) until you start tackling the other (recruitment).

Classic binarybear think.

100%

[Botman]

We need both a change in approach AND personnel. It's not one or the other. Nor do you wait for one issue to fix itself (approach) until you start tackling the other (recruitment).

Classic binarybear think.

Indeed

[-TW-]

Canberra Raiders reportedly cool interest in Matt Dufty



The Daily Telegraph is reporting Matt Dufty is struggling to be fit to take on the Raiders because of an AC shoulder injury he has been carrying since Magic Round. He missed the Dragons session on Wednesday.

It is understood contract talks with Raiders have been put on hold due to his defensive issues. That is not to say the Raiders’ have pulled out at this point but they have told Dufty’s agent Clinton Schifcofske that they will make a decision one way or another following this weekend’s match.

Read more: https://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/sport ... 9f5744da49

[GreenMachine]

Warriors just signed DWZ… I have no idea why they would want Dufty…

I couldn’t be more on the fence about a potential player signing.

Pretty much every point made about him (good or bad) is spot on…

[Bennyinthewest]

I think the club knows after the DWZ signing that it's likely us or nowhere for him, so we are about to low ball him

Sent from my SM-G975F using Tapatalk

[Botman]

It is understood contract talks with Raiders have been put on hold due to his defensive issues. That is not to say the Raiders’ have pulled out at this point but they have told Dufty’s agent Clinton Schifcofske that they will make a decision one way or another following this weekend’s match.

Did we watch any film on the guy? Like did it shock us that he's not a good defender or that he's a high variance player? Are we player scouting off highlight tapes and only now we've got some interest did we go and actually watch the guy play?
What is another week of football going to prove one way or the other?

Either
1) there is some minor hagling over time and money etc to be nutted out and this is just the club trying to put some media pressure on Dufty and Schif to take what we're offering

or

b) we dont have a **** clue what we're doing with recruitment

[afgtnk]

If that article is legit, and this isn't just a negotiating tactic, then that is a massive, massive concern about how we operate. Dufty's defence is no new surprise.

Due diligence should be done months in advance. Statistical analysis, video, going to watch him in person, asking mutual acquaintances about him in detail, his character, how he'll fit into a certain culture, etc. What the **** does the club do when they fly off to all these learning exercises around the world post-season?

May as well put some names up on a board and start throwing darts blindfolded otherwise.

[radicalraider]

Canberra Raiders reportedly cool interest in Matt Dufty



The Daily Telegraph is reporting Matt Dufty is struggling to be fit to take on the Raiders because of an AC shoulder injury he has been carrying since Magic Round. He missed the Dragons session on Wednesday.

It is understood contract talks with Raiders have been put on hold due to his defensive issues. That is not to say the Raiders’ have pulled out at this point but they have told Dufty’s agent Clinton Schifcofske that they will make a decision one way or another following this weekend’s match.

Read more: https://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/sport ... 9f5744da49

Load of bs..

[Botman]

Load of bs..

That's where i lean too, but this club doesnt give fans a lot of reason to give them the BOTD

[afgtnk]

Would have to be smoke and mirrors - surely.

Remember the stories about when George Williams signed, and how Whitehead supposedly alerted the club to him, when really we had him on the radar for months beforehand?

[Canberra Milk]

Did we watch any film on the guy? Like did it shock us that he's not a good defender or that he's a high variance player? Are we player scouting off highlight tapes and only now we've got some interest did we go and actually watch the guy play?
What is another week of football going to prove one way or the other?

Either
1) there is some minor hagling over time and money etc to be nutted out and this is just the club trying to put some media pressure on Dufty and Schif to take what we're offering

or

b) we dont have a **** clue what we're doing with recruitment

Playing devil's advocate because I mostly agree... but it could be that they liked him, but thought his defensive issues were more effort related... they might have expressed interest on the proviso that he shows effort in those areas. Then he dished up the Bulldogs effort and they're like ok, if you can't even turn up when a contract is on the line, that's a big red flag... and may have say made them less likely to pay what Dufty's full asking price, rather than withdraw entirely

[T_R]

The club didn't just learn about defensive issues. Ridiculous article.

Sent from my SM-G975F using Tapatalk