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Botman wrote: June 11, 2021, 8:33 am
GreenMachine wrote: June 11, 2021, 8:02 am Not sure Hodgson has been a victim of anything aside from bad luck with his injuries…

He also broke the number one rule at any workplace..
Yeah I’m not sure what the club has done to Hodgson that is so bad
He wants financial stability and security, which is fair enough, but as per his own admission, he probably can’t get it here because we’ve got other youngers guys we’re looking to develop for that role

The club seems pretty open in allow him to go and seek that stability and security at another club if that’s what he wants, but we’re not willing to pay any freight

I honestly think right now there is nothing the club could do that some people like Nickman wouldn’t find fault with them for. But this Hodgson situation has been a rare occasion where both player and club have played a pretty straight and respectful bat so far

Sometimes the time line for a player and club just don’t align towards the end of a career. It’s sucks, would love to have seen Hodgson play out his career here, but with a rebuild looming for us, it’s probably best for both sides if we part ways
He gets money and more security, we start rebuilding without him
I think the club is playing it right. They're not cutting him or ripping him off. He's been out with injury while the game shifted and like a lot of players has been a little but in and out of the team as he comes back from a 2nd knee reco.

Hodgo is contracted for another year. The club would be mad to extend him now since it is unclear what level of play he will reach in this comeback. Fair to say his form has not been consistently the top level it was pre injury so far.

Club position would be it's best for both parties to wait until next year and see- that gives Hodgo the time to get back to his best form and show he deserves another significant comeback at a salary he's earned and is worth (great player at his best). It also protects the club from making a dud extension on an injured older player ala Toots. Also gives a longer look at Starling, which again protects the club but will make Hodgo wary.

I think Hodgo can see that and he might be a bit dissapointed that Starling has leapfrogged him so quickly and believe in his heart he's a way better player. It's very hard for a pro athlete to adjust their mind that they may not have it anymore. In fact he really should and must be thinking that he still does have it, if he wants to play at that level again.

So no fault really but the club is not in the wrong, even if Hodgo may feel he hasn't been offered the same courtesies/benefit of the doubt as club legend that Toots was 12 months ago.
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GreenMachine wrote: June 11, 2021, 8:00 am
Roger Kenworthy wrote: June 11, 2021, 7:34 am If we want speed then Maumalo isn't the direction we should be heading in. If we want a workhorse, sure, he's great coming off his own line.
If your back 3 potentially includes Dufty and Savage, your going to NEED a Maumalo or similar “workhorse” for hard yardage…
I'm not against it, just there is an obsession with speed here that he won't provide. Savage is a good example of being considered a walk up start around here when he's played a handful of reserve grade based on speed.
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Roger Kenworthy wrote: June 11, 2021, 10:16 am
GreenMachine wrote: June 11, 2021, 8:00 am
Roger Kenworthy wrote: June 11, 2021, 7:34 am If we want speed then Maumalo isn't the direction we should be heading in. If we want a workhorse, sure, he's great coming off his own line.
If your back 3 potentially includes Dufty and Savage, your going to NEED a Maumalo or similar “workhorse” for hard yardage…
I'm not against it, just there is an obsession with speed here that he won't provide. Savage is a good example of being considered a walk up start around here when he's played a handful of reserve grade based on speed.
You don't need all to be flyers, but you do need a couple and a decent overall speed. At the moment our fastest is a centre and a winger (Simo) who has no game sense to use it. Dufty is genuinely quick, so is Savage. That's plenty as Kris/HSS are zippier than Scott and Croker. Maumalo isn't slow, his power comes from some good acceleration (was/is among the warriors quickest over 10-15m, but not over 30m) but he's unlikely to run many outside backs down in an extended chase.

He's 6'5". He offers other threats. So we have quick players around him. He's not slower than CNK or Scott, just average BUT unlike all our other same same mediums he's a massive bloke for making yards, aiming kicks and barging /drawing defenders/offloading close to the line. Variety in attack.
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Roger Kenworthy wrote: June 11, 2021, 10:16 am
GreenMachine wrote: June 11, 2021, 8:00 am
Roger Kenworthy wrote: June 11, 2021, 7:34 am If we want speed then Maumalo isn't the direction we should be heading in. If we want a workhorse, sure, he's great coming off his own line.
If your back 3 potentially includes Dufty and Savage, your going to NEED a Maumalo or similar “workhorse” for hard yardage…
I'm not against it, just there is an obsession with speed here that he won't provide. Savage is a good example of being considered a walk up start around here when he's played a handful of reserve grade based on speed.
I think the Savage talk is optimistic. To me he certainly doesn't look ready to be a first choice winger in 2022.
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zim wrote: June 11, 2021, 10:36 am
Roger Kenworthy wrote: June 11, 2021, 10:16 am
GreenMachine wrote: June 11, 2021, 8:00 am
Roger Kenworthy wrote: June 11, 2021, 7:34 am If we want speed then Maumalo isn't the direction we should be heading in. If we want a workhorse, sure, he's great coming off his own line.
If your back 3 potentially includes Dufty and Savage, your going to NEED a Maumalo or similar “workhorse” for hard yardage…
I'm not against it, just there is an obsession with speed here that he won't provide. Savage is a good example of being considered a walk up start around here when he's played a handful of reserve grade based on speed.
I think the Savage talk is optimistic. To me he certainly doesn't look ready to be a first choice winger in 2022.
Nobody thinks Savage will be a walk up start...but we need to see him get some experience before we decide to buy a 22 year old to stick in front of him IMO...
I can't see us adding 2 outside backs on top of Dufty...but I do see the need to add speed and size WITH Dufty.
We'll need a halfback if the plan is to compete next season....otherwise you play the long game and Savage will get a season to succeed and fail...and hopefully develop.
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I'm fully expecting him not to be here next year
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Mickey_Raider wrote: June 11, 2021, 9:10 am
Seiffert82 wrote: June 10, 2021, 10:24 pm Yep, Hodgo was toast at the beginning of 2020. He refuses to change the way he plays and tries way too hard to be the main playmaker of the side (which he is no longer capable of), so it's hard to see a great deal of value keeping him around.
I can't agree with this.

It looks like the standard "reverse-whitewashing" which happens whenever a player leaves the Raiders.

Fans try and minimise the player's importance in order (IMO) to soften the blow.

Maybe (mostly through through injury) Hodgson missed the boat in becoming the natural successor of Cameron Smith but he is still comfortably in the top echelon of hookers in the world.

1.Dufty
6. Wighton
9. Hodgson

Still looks pretty elite to me on paper.
Fair enough.

When most were lamenting the end of our 2020 campaign when Hodgo went down injured, I said at the time I was looking forward to our performances as a team improving. We looked more cohesive almost straight away, despite the loss of a ton of front rowers.

So, I'm not trying to whitewash anything at all. I said 12 months ago that Hodgo was trying to do too much and his game was suffering as a result. Unfortunately he hasn't really adapted his game as he has gotten older and a bit slower.

It's a shame, as there is still signs of his talent. He just needs to focus on doing the basics well.
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BadnMean wrote: June 11, 2021, 10:29 am
Roger Kenworthy wrote: June 11, 2021, 10:16 am
GreenMachine wrote: June 11, 2021, 8:00 am
Roger Kenworthy wrote: June 11, 2021, 7:34 am If we want speed then Maumalo isn't the direction we should be heading in. If we want a workhorse, sure, he's great coming off his own line.
If your back 3 potentially includes Dufty and Savage, your going to NEED a Maumalo or similar “workhorse” for hard yardage…
I'm not against it, just there is an obsession with speed here that he won't provide. Savage is a good example of being considered a walk up start around here when he's played a handful of reserve grade based on speed.
You don't need all to be flyers, but you do need a couple and a decent overall speed. At the moment our fastest is a centre and a winger (Simo) who has no game sense to use it. Dufty is genuinely quick, so is Savage. That's plenty as Kris/HSS are zippier than Scott and Croker. Maumalo isn't slow, his power comes from some good acceleration (was/is among the warriors quickest over 10-15m, but not over 30m) but he's unlikely to run many outside backs down in an extended chase.

He's 6'5". He offers other threats. So we have quick players around him. He's not slower than CNK or Scott, just average BUT unlike all our other same same mediums he's a massive bloke for making yards, aiming kicks and barging /drawing defenders/offloading close to the line. Variety in attack.
I reckon he is slower than CNK. Pace is overrated unless it's freakish like JAR, someone like Maumalo is still a specialist finisher because of his physique.
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GreenMachine wrote: June 11, 2021, 11:25 am
zim wrote: June 11, 2021, 10:36 am
Roger Kenworthy wrote: June 11, 2021, 10:16 am
GreenMachine wrote: June 11, 2021, 8:00 am
Roger Kenworthy wrote: June 11, 2021, 7:34 am If we want speed then Maumalo isn't the direction we should be heading in. If we want a workhorse, sure, he's great coming off his own line.
If your back 3 potentially includes Dufty and Savage, your going to NEED a Maumalo or similar “workhorse” for hard yardage…
I'm not against it, just there is an obsession with speed here that he won't provide. Savage is a good example of being considered a walk up start around here when he's played a handful of reserve grade based on speed.
I think the Savage talk is optimistic. To me he certainly doesn't look ready to be a first choice winger in 2022.
Nobody thinks Savage will be a walk up start...but we need to see him get some experience before we decide to buy a 22 year old to stick in front of him IMO...
I can't see us adding 2 outside backs on top of Dufty...but I do see the need to add speed and size WITH Dufty.
We'll need a halfback if the plan is to compete next season....otherwise you play the long game and Savage will get a season to succeed and fail...and hopefully develop.
I can't remember seeing a 2022 team without him in it :lol:
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Roger Kenworthy wrote: June 11, 2021, 1:17 pm
GreenMachine wrote: June 11, 2021, 11:25 am
zim wrote: June 11, 2021, 10:36 am
Roger Kenworthy wrote: June 11, 2021, 10:16 am
GreenMachine wrote: June 11, 2021, 8:00 am

If your back 3 potentially includes Dufty and Savage, your going to NEED a Maumalo or similar “workhorse” for hard yardage…
I'm not against it, just there is an obsession with speed here that he won't provide. Savage is a good example of being considered a walk up start around here when he's played a handful of reserve grade based on speed.
I think the Savage talk is optimistic. To me he certainly doesn't look ready to be a first choice winger in 2022.
Nobody thinks Savage will be a walk up start...but we need to see him get some experience before we decide to buy a 22 year old to stick in front of him IMO...
I can't see us adding 2 outside backs on top of Dufty...but I do see the need to add speed and size WITH Dufty.
We'll need a halfback if the plan is to compete next season....otherwise you play the long game and Savage will get a season to succeed and fail...and hopefully develop.
I can't remember seeing a 2022 team without him in it :lol:
Yeah but that doesn't mean what any of us thinks it means. Maybe they were 2023 sides.
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Not sure how Maumalo ended up in here. All our threads are crossing over.
He isnt fast anymore. But he is still a bulldozer.

Oh... I dont think Hodgo is here next yr
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I've never been Hodgson's biggest fan - certainly it always fills me with dread when he's selected for England - but the club needs to be careful, here.

I'm not saying Hodgson is the answer going forward, but I'm almost certain Starling isn't.

I hope I'm wrong, but I get the feeling 2020 is going to end up as career high form for Starling.

There are quite a few things in his game that worry me.
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MrPosh wrote: June 11, 2021, 4:08 pm I've never been Hodgson's biggest fan - certainly it always fills me with dread when he's selected for England - but the club needs to be careful, here.

I'm not saying Hodgson is the answer going forward, but I'm almost certain Starling isn't.

I hope I'm wrong, but I get the feeling 2020 is going to end up as career high form for Starling.

There are quite a few things in his game that worry me.
I tend to agree.

I won't write off Starling but I definitely don't rate him as highly as many others do.

For this reason I think we need to hang on to Hodgo for the next year or so until we know more about whether Starling will actually kick on, whether Trevilyan will develop or whether we need to purchase a new no.9.
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Opening this thread is a massive kick in the guts. Even though I've given him criticism, I don't want Hodgo to leave. He's got drawbacks, but he's still one of the best in the game when in form. He's our on-field leader and general, with or without the C next to his name. The kind of class he has doesn't leave you immediately, nor does it grow on trees.

I'm not sold on Starling yet - he's still giving off too many Baptiste vibes, and the most important aspects of a dummy half's game to me, ruck craft and distribution, seem to be lacking in him still. People are seemingly obsessed with having their own beach sprinting champion Damien Cook, IMO without full considering or understanding that Cook still does the core aspects of his role quite well.

I'm hopeful that the horizon of a fresh start next season can reinvigorate him and give him the will to stay - at least until the conclusion of his contract.
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I agree with others here. Starling needs to continue to improve if we're gonna be rolling with him as our first choice hooker.
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I dont think anyone really feels super confident in Starling long term, but lets be very real here... We arent winning the comp this year, or next year, by the end of next season he's 33.
Unless you're Cam Smith and playing through until he's 40, we're kind of at the end of the rope here with our run with him

I certainly would prefer to retain Hodgson until the end of his deal, but he's got to look after himself, he's in a position right now where he can probably lock in another 2-3 years at really good money... anyone here wanting to do that deal with Hodgson right now? 2 year extention for circa 6-700k+?
Hands up which of you are ready to ink that deal right now? Committing to his remaining year (reportedly around 800k) and another 2 years (probably what? 600-700k per year?) to Hodgson who's definitely declining and is 32 in a few months

You dont just "hang on" to players anymore who dont feel valued or are in roles that dont suit them.
"Oh but he has a contract..."... take that nonsense back to 2005 where it belongs.

Hodgson probably has a deal ready to be signed that gives him long term security and stability beyond his current deal, and seeing out his current deal has a very real chance of taking those sorts of deals off the table for him if he continues to struggle with some form and injuries.

The idea that in 2021 we can just hang on to him as a bench utility or even a starter spliting minutes with Starling? Forget it. He has been very vocal about simply not seeing his role that way.

The club and Hodgson is at a cross roads... we are either going to need to up our investment in him and provide him the financial stability and security he and his team knows awaits him with another club, or accept that his and our timelines no longer match and let a club legend bow out gracefully and without a PR **** disaster.
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MrPosh wrote: June 11, 2021, 4:08 pm I've never been Hodgson's biggest fan - certainly it always fills me with dread when he's selected for England - but the club needs to be careful, here.

I'm not saying Hodgson is the answer going forward, but I'm almost certain Starling isn't.

I hope I'm wrong, but I get the feeling 2020 is going to end up as career high form for Starling.

There are quite a few things in his game that worry me.
I believe Starling is suited to the new rules, unfortunately our pack are not. Behind the right pack Starling will be great.
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Botman wrote: June 11, 2021, 5:04 pm I dont think anyone really feels super confident in Starling long term, but lets be very real here... We arent winning the comp this year, or next year, by the end of next season he's 33.
Unless you're Cam Smith and playing through until he's 40, we're kind of at the end of the rope here with our run with him

I certainly would prefer to retain Hodgson until the end of his deal, but he's got to look after himself, he's in a position right now where he can probably lock in another 2-3 years at really good money... anyone here wanting to do that deal with Hodgson right now? 2 year extention for circa 6-700k+?
Hands up which of you are ready to ink that deal right now? Committing to his remaining year (reportedly around 800k) and another 2 years (probably what? 600-700k per year?) to Hodgson who's definitely declining and is 32 in a few months

You dont just "hang on" to players anymore who dont feel valued or are in roles that dont suit them.
"Oh but he has a contract..."... take that nonsense back to 2005 where it belongs.

Hodgson probably has a deal ready to be signed that gives him long term security and stability beyond his current deal, and seeing out his current deal has a very real chance of taking those sorts of deals off the table for him if he continues to struggle with some form and injuries.

The idea that in 2021 we can just hang on to him as a bench utility or even a starter spliting minutes with Starling? Forget it. He has been very vocal about simply not seeing his role that way.

The club and Hodgson is at a cross roads... we are either going to need to up our investment in him and provide him the financial stability and security he and his team knows awaits him with another club, or accept that his and our timelines no longer match and let a club legend bow out gracefully and without a PR **** disaster.
I will be truly disgusted to see him in a Broncos jersey, but if it continues to totally **** up the Broncos cap management and player retention I could get behind it.
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gergreg wrote: June 11, 2021, 8:58 pm
Botman wrote: June 11, 2021, 5:04 pm I dont think anyone really feels super confident in Starling long term, but lets be very real here... We arent winning the comp this year, or next year, by the end of next season he's 33.
Unless you're Cam Smith and playing through until he's 40, we're kind of at the end of the rope here with our run with him

I certainly would prefer to retain Hodgson until the end of his deal, but he's got to look after himself, he's in a position right now where he can probably lock in another 2-3 years at really good money... anyone here wanting to do that deal with Hodgson right now? 2 year extention for circa 6-700k+?
Hands up which of you are ready to ink that deal right now? Committing to his remaining year (reportedly around 800k) and another 2 years (probably what? 600-700k per year?) to Hodgson who's definitely declining and is 32 in a few months

You dont just "hang on" to players anymore who dont feel valued or are in roles that dont suit them.
"Oh but he has a contract..."... take that nonsense back to 2005 where it belongs.

Hodgson probably has a deal ready to be signed that gives him long term security and stability beyond his current deal, and seeing out his current deal has a very real chance of taking those sorts of deals off the table for him if he continues to struggle with some form and injuries.

The idea that in 2021 we can just hang on to him as a bench utility or even a starter spliting minutes with Starling? Forget it. He has been very vocal about simply not seeing his role that way.

The club and Hodgson is at a cross roads... we are either going to need to up our investment in him and provide him the financial stability and security he and his team knows awaits him with another club, or accept that his and our timelines no longer match and let a club legend bow out gracefully and without a PR **** disaster.
I will be truly disgusted to see him in a Broncos jersey, but if it continues to totally **** up the Broncos cap management and player retention I could get behind it.
Not to mention the fact he will try to run the team from 9, nullifying the huge spend on Reynolds.

Make it so.
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magoo wrote: June 11, 2021, 5:05 pm
MrPosh wrote: June 11, 2021, 4:08 pm I've never been Hodgson's biggest fan - certainly it always fills me with dread when he's selected for England - but the club needs to be careful, here.

I'm not saying Hodgson is the answer going forward, but I'm almost certain Starling isn't.

I hope I'm wrong, but I get the feeling 2020 is going to end up as career high form for Starling.

There are quite a few things in his game that worry me.
I believe Starling is suited to the new rules, unfortunately our pack are not. Behind the right pack Starling will be great.
Choice words.

Hopefully Starling can start passing the thing backwards sooner rather than later.
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Seiffert82 wrote: June 11, 2021, 10:51 pm
magoo wrote: June 11, 2021, 5:05 pm
MrPosh wrote: June 11, 2021, 4:08 pm I've never been Hodgson's biggest fan - certainly it always fills me with dread when he's selected for England - but the club needs to be careful, here.

I'm not saying Hodgson is the answer going forward, but I'm almost certain Starling isn't.

I hope I'm wrong, but I get the feeling 2020 is going to end up as career high form for Starling.

There are quite a few things in his game that worry me.
I believe Starling is suited to the new rules, unfortunately our pack are not. Behind the right pack Starling will be great.
Choice words.

Hopefully Starling can start passing the thing backwards sooner rather than later.
Such a weird one. Once you are a name hooker, you get away with blatant forward short balls. When you're down at newbie or journeyman level, you get pinged a bit more.

Starling has a nice running game and distributes ok when things are rolling. Similar to Cook in that regard. Whether he can add some nouse and craft and a touch of deception and timing into his game is a bit unknown. But he's worth some development imo.

I wouldn't be buying a hooker in unless Havilii leaves and we need a new backup for a year or two while Trevilan comes along, put it that way.
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BadnMean wrote: June 12, 2021, 8:41 am
Seiffert82 wrote: June 11, 2021, 10:51 pm
magoo wrote: June 11, 2021, 5:05 pm
MrPosh wrote: June 11, 2021, 4:08 pm I've never been Hodgson's biggest fan - certainly it always fills me with dread when he's selected for England - but the club needs to be careful, here.

I'm not saying Hodgson is the answer going forward, but I'm almost certain Starling isn't.

I hope I'm wrong, but I get the feeling 2020 is going to end up as career high form for Starling.

There are quite a few things in his game that worry me.
I believe Starling is suited to the new rules, unfortunately our pack are not. Behind the right pack Starling will be great.
Choice words.

Hopefully Starling can start passing the thing backwards sooner rather than later.
Such a weird one. Once you are a name hooker, you get away with blatant forward short balls. When you're down at newbie or journeyman level, you get pinged a bit more.

Starling has a nice running game and distributes ok when things are rolling. Similar to Cook in that regard. Whether he can add some nouse and craft and a touch of deception and timing into his game is a bit unknown. But he's worth some development imo.

I wouldn't be buying a hooker in unless Havilii leaves and we need a new backup for a year or two while Trevilan comes along, put it that way.
Yeah, I hope that timing starts to improve and I get that a lot of dummy halves push the envelope, but Starling dead set throws the thing 2 metres forward 5 or 6 times a game. He may only get pinged for one or two, but it is something he needs to fix.
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The Hodgson issue is whether we extend him another 3 years. That’s what his manager is asking for…

It’s not whether we think he is the club’s leader, on field general, brains trust…etc

Yes I’m a huge fan of his ability to direct and be a natural leader on the football field…

But at what cost? 3 more years with two knee recons??

He’s not Cam Smith. His stickiness with the ball around the ruck has been an issue in the past and it has dogged us again recently..

So that’s the decision really…Do you extend him for another 3 or part ways now and wish him the best?

It’s irrelevant to discuss Starling because he doesn’t have Hodgson’s experience or gravitas as on on field leader.

He DOES have the speed and instincts to trouble defenders in the modern game AND is a better defender than Hodgson…

The club is getting skinned for handing Croker a monster deal when his form and age didn’t warrant it….do you think they should do the same with Hodgson?
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He's also not a great middle defender to be honest. Not getting better with age unfortunately.
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Brisbane Broncos coach Kevin Walters dismisses Josh Hodgson approach



Broncos coach Kevin Walters has suggested it's not him or his club that's agitating for an early release for England international Josh Hodgson. Ricky Stuart made it clear he wouldn't let his star hooker go anyway.

"No, that's not something - he's still contracted to the Raiders so out of respect to Josh and the Raiders, we'll leave that one alone," Walters said.

Read more: https://www.canberratimes.com.au/story/ ... /?cs=14239

I'm not sure that is "dismissing" it... more a no comment.
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Obvious to me it's his manager trying to force our hand into an extension, which I would give, if he plays at 7 and bosses it.

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unless we're willing to commit to Hodgson into 2024 and maybe beyond, and i dont think we are, he wont be here next year.

But i appreciate that he's doing his best to be professional, dismiss it and get through the season
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-TW- wrote: June 10, 2021, 10:28 pm Interested to know what he's agitating for?

He's on big money here and he's back starting.. what more does he want

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He’s got this year and next on big money and a club that seems unwilling to commit beyond that
So for 2022, he has reportedly 800k in his pocket, and nothing promised there after

I would wager the broncos are probably willing to offer him around 1.8-2.0m for 2022-24

That deal and deals like it may not be available to him at the conclusion of 2022, particularly if he suffers a bad injury or his form drops off.

Meaning he’s got about 1 million reasons to agitate
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Botman wrote: June 11, 2021, 5:04 pm I dont think anyone really feels super confident in Starling long term, but lets be very real here... We arent winning the comp this year, or next year, by the end of next season he's 33.
Unless you're Cam Smith and playing through until he's 40, we're kind of at the end of the rope here with our run with him

I certainly would prefer to retain Hodgson until the end of his deal, but he's got to look after himself, he's in a position right now where he can probably lock in another 2-3 years at really good money... anyone here wanting to do that deal with Hodgson right now? 2 year extention for circa 6-700k+?
Hands up which of you are ready to ink that deal right now? Committing to his remaining year (reportedly around 800k) and another 2 years (probably what? 600-700k per year?) to Hodgson who's definitely declining and is 32 in a few months

You dont just "hang on" to players anymore who dont feel valued or are in roles that dont suit them.
"Oh but he has a contract..."... take that nonsense back to 2005 where it belongs.

Hodgson probably has a deal ready to be signed that gives him long term security and stability beyond his current deal, and seeing out his current deal has a very real chance of taking those sorts of deals off the table for him if he continues to struggle with some form and injuries.

The idea that in 2021 we can just hang on to him as a bench utility or even a starter spliting minutes with Starling? Forget it. He has been very vocal about simply not seeing his role that way.

The club and Hodgson is at a cross roads... we are either going to need to up our investment in him and provide him the financial stability and security he and his team knows awaits him with another club, or accept that his and our timelines no longer match and let a club legend bow out gracefully and without a PR **** disaster.
Agree with not blindly extending him and about letting him get the money elsewhere.

But this isn’t about Hodgo and the club disagreeing about his future. It’s about them disagreeing about his present.

The club made a call the best part of two seasons prior to his contract ending that they were going in a different direction. Not for 2023 onwards but for early 2021. Starling has been prioritised this season, which Hodgo has an issue with - and I can understand because Hodgo is way better than Starling right now.

Had the club continued with Hodgo as the primary hooker and made the transition to Starling midway through next season, then we wouldn’t be talking about him right now. We’d have got the most out of our current team, not extended an ageing legend and he’d still have the opportunity to go elsewhere for money.

The club chose to bring this a year or more forward, hence why he’s almost certainly gone next year.

Some of us might be happy with that. Personally, I think we jumped the gun and weakened ourselves during this transition period for no real benefit.

I’ll change my mind if Starling turns out to be one of the top hookers in the comp next season or if we sign a star with Hodgo’s money. Either of which might happen.
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I dont disagree at all.
Hodgson showed on the weekend that he's still an incredibly good footballer and easily, EASILY our best spine player.
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Simonsson’s efforts are positive, but nothing can be taken as that great against Broncos... but this game shows Hodgo’s still got it!

Consistency. Needs some.

P.S. the Simmo take is the right one.
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I want to see more from simo because he's not a proven commodity, his play on the weekend could be a flash in the pan or the start of something. That was probably his first truly great game he's played as a professional, and it's in a position he's literally played one game in.

Hodgson is a proven world class footballer. We don't need to wait and see if he's capable of sustaining that level of performance, because we've seen him do it most of his career. His performance on the weekend showed he's still capable of reaching that standard of play.

But congrats on successfully redefining the phrase "false equivalence". Im proud of you, friend.
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