Who is the one player you wish had never left the Raiders?
Moderator: GH Moderators
-
- David Furner
- Posts: 3764
- Joined: January 6, 2005, 9:42 pm
- Favourite Player: Hudson Young
- Location: Here
Re: Who is the one player you wish had never left the Raiders?
The way he’s proving to be a natural leader, I’m wishing we held onto Mark Nicholls at the moment.
Sometimes the light at the end of the tunnel is just the train that's about to hit you.
- 1992
- Jason Croker
- Posts: 4439
- Joined: April 24, 2011, 4:08 pm
- Favourite Player: Joseph 'the worm' Tapine
Re: Who is the one player you wish had never left the Raiders?
John Bateman.
I do not see us giving up those big leads with him on the side.
I do not see us giving up those big leads with him on the side.
WHAT A LONG STRANGE TRIP IT'S BEEN
Re: Who is the one player you wish had never left the Raiders?
Good call. He never took a backwards step for us.
All the big names were tough to lose - there’s been some good ones mentioned already in this thread (Volcano ).
But in the same vein of low-key players like Nicholls - I was quite upset when we lost Mick Monaghan and Mick Robertson in successive years to the Eagles. Thought they were the exact type of players who played above their weight each week and made the team better. Given the success of Manly in those subsequent years, I felt like my assessment of them was proved right.
-
- David Furner
- Posts: 3764
- Joined: January 6, 2005, 9:42 pm
- Favourite Player: Hudson Young
- Location: Here
Re: Who is the one player you wish had never left the Raiders?
Mick Monaghan **** stung because you had that plank Elliot saying publicly that he was the best halfback at the club then continually picking blokes like Brad Drew ahead of him and then ***surprised Pikachu face*** he gets fed up and left.Rickmando wrote: ↑September 12, 2021, 6:39 pmGood call. He never took a backwards step for us.
All the big names were tough to lose - there’s been some good ones mentioned already in this thread (Volcano ).
But in the same vein of low-key players like Nicholls - I was quite upset when we lost Mick Monaghan and Mick Robertson in successive years to the Eagles. Thought they were the exact type of players who played above their weight each week and made the team better. Given the success of Manly in those subsequent years, I felt like my assessment of them was proved right.
Sometimes the light at the end of the tunnel is just the train that's about to hit you.
Re: Who is the one player you wish had never left the Raiders?
The loss of Michael Monaghan… that sure was a debacle.
Re: Who is the one player you wish had never left the Raiders?
The illegitimate love-child of Darren Porter and James Buser?
Ata Mariota’s #1 fan. Bless his cotton socks.
- Green_Hammock
- Bradley Clyde
- Posts: 8560
- Joined: June 30, 2009, 10:53 am
- Favourite Player: Rapana, Campese
Re: Who is the one player you wish had never left the Raiders?
John Bateman, Milford.
Carney, Dugan, Ferguson if they could have worked out their off field behaviour.
Sent from my SM-G973F using Tapatalk
Carney, Dugan, Ferguson if they could have worked out their off field behaviour.
Sent from my SM-G973F using Tapatalk
-
- Jason Croker
- Posts: 4815
- Joined: August 28, 2016, 6:19 pm
- Favourite Player: Laurie Daley
Re: Who is the one player you wish had never left the Raiders?
Lazarus who was still in his prime (I understand it was salary cap related), Ben Kennedy who went on to do well with Manly and Newcastle, winning a premiership with Newy, Luke Priddis (ditto Brisbane and Penrith - even got Clive Churchill in 2003 and beat Ricky's Roosters).
As to most recently probably Bateman. It's also noted that Paul Vaughan played for NSW and Aust after leaving us and Junior Paulo for NSW. David Barnhill in the early 90s as well. 2 GFs with St George and NSW rep selection. But not the same heights as the first three.
I was thinking of Joey as well but his non pass in the GF was a stuff up - probably not as monumental as Patrick Herbert's last night but still in a big game should have passed instead of taking contact. He did the same thing in the 2016 semi v Cronulla in the first half when we lost by 2
As to most recently probably Bateman. It's also noted that Paul Vaughan played for NSW and Aust after leaving us and Junior Paulo for NSW. David Barnhill in the early 90s as well. 2 GFs with St George and NSW rep selection. But not the same heights as the first three.
I was thinking of Joey as well but his non pass in the GF was a stuff up - probably not as monumental as Patrick Herbert's last night but still in a big game should have passed instead of taking contact. He did the same thing in the 2016 semi v Cronulla in the first half when we lost by 2
-
- Tom Learoyd-Lahrs
- Posts: 65
- Joined: February 28, 2011, 5:23 pm
- Favourite Player: Belcher
- Location: Perth
Re: Who is the one player you wish had never left the Raiders?
Stuart and Clyde. Would have loved to have seen them end their careers at the Raiders. Might have got a few more years out of them and another premiership if they weren't booted.
- GreenMachine
- Jason Croker
- Posts: 4271
- Joined: April 13, 2005, 2:22 pm
- Favourite Player: Laurie Daley
-
- Brett Mullins
- Posts: 1976
- Joined: September 2, 2007, 6:22 pm
- Favourite Player: Jackie Boi
- Location: Bay 69
Re: Who is the one player you wish had never left the Raiders?
Some good shouts here for Luke Priddis and David Barnhill. Both were players we developed through the lower grades and let go to other clubs where they won comps (in the case of Priddis) and played in GFs (in the case of Barnhill). Both probably would have stayed if we prioritised them but we didn't.
Big Mal opted for Simon Woolford ahead of Priddis (who was bigger and stronger, slightly younger and had a more distinguished junior career). As with any organisation, personalities come into it and I think Woolford's strong personality won out over Priddis' superior football ability.
Barnhill left after a fire sale when we rorted the salary cap along with many others including Lazzo. I liked his style of play (very aggressive) and he went on to play many more years at the top. Of the young up and comers we had at the time, I think he's one we should have made more of an effort to keep. That one's on Sheensy, not Big Mal. Even the best get it wrong occasionally.
Big Mal opted for Simon Woolford ahead of Priddis (who was bigger and stronger, slightly younger and had a more distinguished junior career). As with any organisation, personalities come into it and I think Woolford's strong personality won out over Priddis' superior football ability.
Barnhill left after a fire sale when we rorted the salary cap along with many others including Lazzo. I liked his style of play (very aggressive) and he went on to play many more years at the top. Of the young up and comers we had at the time, I think he's one we should have made more of an effort to keep. That one's on Sheensy, not Big Mal. Even the best get it wrong occasionally.
Forum members with gravitas: greeneyed, Seiffert82, dubby.
- Roger Kenworthy
- Laurie Daley
- Posts: 11580
- Joined: January 7, 2005, 10:18 pm
- Favourite Player: Ruben Wiki, J-Lo, Jordan Rapana
Re: Who is the one player you wish had never left the Raiders?
Barnhill is a great shout.
Wiki for sentimentality and Kennedy for onfield impact. Add Kennedy to our pack in 2000 or 2003 and we're in the race for a GF spot.
Wiki for sentimentality and Kennedy for onfield impact. Add Kennedy to our pack in 2000 or 2003 and we're in the race for a GF spot.
Re: Who is the one player you wish had never left the Raiders?
The really mystifying thing with Priddis is that he finished 1997 as starting hooker and started 1998 in that spot too. The Raiders lost the opening two games of 1998, he got dropped to be the bench… and never made it back to the starting role… when most fans were crying out for him to be restored to the starting team. I could never work that out.
- Roger Kenworthy
- Laurie Daley
- Posts: 11580
- Joined: January 7, 2005, 10:18 pm
- Favourite Player: Ruben Wiki, J-Lo, Jordan Rapana
Re: Who is the one player you wish had never left the Raiders?
Woolford must have had his twitchy eye going when Mal suggested he move to 14.greeneyed wrote: ↑September 13, 2021, 9:26 pm The really mystifying thing with Priddis is that he finished 1997 as starting hooker and started 1998 in that spot too. The Raiders lost the opening two games of 1998, he got dropped to be the bench… and never made it back to the starting role… when most fans were crying out for him to be restored to the starting team. I could never work that out.
I barely saw any of 97 - 99 when it moved to pay tv here in NZ. Relied on radio for the most part.
-
- Jason Croker
- Posts: 4815
- Joined: August 28, 2016, 6:19 pm
- Favourite Player: Laurie Daley
Re: Who is the one player you wish had never left the Raiders?
I remember in 1991 Ros Kelly had white buckets in shopping malls asking us to donate to save the Raiders! Unbelievable considering Mal and some of the rest of the team were on big $$$$$Sleek the Elite wrote: ↑September 13, 2021, 8:45 pm Some good shouts here for Luke Priddis and David Barnhill. Both were players we developed through the lower grades and let go to other clubs where they won comps (in the case of Priddis) and played in GFs (in the case of Barnhill). Both probably would have stayed if we prioritised them but we didn't.
Big Mal opted for Simon Woolford ahead of Priddis (who was bigger and stronger, slightly younger and had a more distinguished junior career). As with any organisation, personalities come into it and I think Woolford's strong personality won out over Priddis' superior football ability.
Barnhill left after a fire sale when we rorted the salary cap along with many others including Lazzo. I liked his style of play (very aggressive) and he went on to play many more years at the top. Of the young up and comers we had at the time, I think he's one we should have made more of an effort to keep. That one's on Sheensy, not Big Mal. Even the best get it wrong occasionally.
-
- Brett Mullins
- Posts: 1976
- Joined: September 2, 2007, 6:22 pm
- Favourite Player: Jackie Boi
- Location: Bay 69
Re: Who is the one player you wish had never left the Raiders?
I donated. I was a uni student with no money at the time. People loved that team and wanted to keep it.Hong Kong Raider wrote: ↑September 13, 2021, 11:50 pmI remember in 1991 Ros Kelly had white buckets in shopping malls asking us to donate to save the Raiders! Unbelievable considering Mal and some of the rest of the team were on big $$$$$Sleek the Elite wrote: ↑September 13, 2021, 8:45 pm Some good shouts here for Luke Priddis and David Barnhill. Both were players we developed through the lower grades and let go to other clubs where they won comps (in the case of Priddis) and played in GFs (in the case of Barnhill). Both probably would have stayed if we prioritised them but we didn't.
Big Mal opted for Simon Woolford ahead of Priddis (who was bigger and stronger, slightly younger and had a more distinguished junior career). As with any organisation, personalities come into it and I think Woolford's strong personality won out over Priddis' superior football ability.
Barnhill left after a fire sale when we rorted the salary cap along with many others including Lazzo. I liked his style of play (very aggressive) and he went on to play many more years at the top. Of the young up and comers we had at the time, I think he's one we should have made more of an effort to keep. That one's on Sheensy, not Big Mal. Even the best get it wrong occasionally.
From memory, any money raised that way got added to the side's salary cap for the following season. We ended up having a full salary cap after the ARL initially reduced it by about $300k for salary cap breaches. Those donations were part of the reason we were able to keep the nucleus of a strong side - Mal, Brad, Laurie, Ricky, Badge and Boxhead. Lazzo left b/c all of those guys were prioritised ahead of him. Five of the six made it through to 1994 and delivered us another premiership.
Forum members with gravitas: greeneyed, Seiffert82, dubby.
Re: Who is the one player you wish had never left the Raiders?
john bateman isnt in the same conversation as ben kennedy.RTW wrote: ↑September 11, 2021, 8:47 pm 1. Clyde/Stuart I don’t think it changed our fortunes but hated seeing them on Bulldogs colours.
2. Wiki absolutely loved him as a player and it stunk how they got him.
3. Ben Kennedy out of all my choices he is the one that would have really made a difference if he stayed
Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
Also lesley vainokolo deserves mention guy was an absolute beast for us.
Re: Who is the one player you wish had never left the Raiders?
Watching all our club legends leave gutted me. I left the sport and it took me a few years to truly come back. About a decade from memory.RTW wrote:1. Clyde/Stuart I don’t think it changed our fortunes but hated seeing them on Bulldogs colours.
2. Wiki absolutely loved him as a player and it stunk how they got him.
3. Ben Kennedy out of all my choices he is the one that would have really made a difference if he stayed
Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
Shoving it in your face since 2017
- yeh raiders
- Laurie Daley
- Posts: 17139
- Joined: June 21, 2008, 3:04 pm
- Favourite Player: Jack Wighton
- Location: Sydney
Re: Who is the one player you wish had never left the Raiders?
Lesley Vainikolo. Loved him.
Does James Tedesco count?
Does James Tedesco count?
- nachopants
- Brett Mullins
- Posts: 1009
- Joined: April 1, 2008, 8:50 am
- Favourite Player: Laurie Daley
- Location: Maitland, NSW
- Contact:
Re: Who is the one player you wish had never left the Raiders?
Mark McLinden .... looooooooved him
Re: Who is the one player you wish had never left the Raiders?
William Zillman. HSS reminds me of him, before all the operations. Zillman's, that is.
- dubby
- Don Furner
- Posts: 34012
- Joined: May 16, 2006, 12:14 pm
- Favourite Player: Mal Meninga
- Location: You have never heard of it.
Re: Who is the one player you wish had never left the Raiders?
Barnhill and Nicholls because they're both Leeton boys.
Losing Lazarus sucked. He was the best prop in the world at that point. Losing Wiki due to cheating is hard to understand.
Ricky and Clyde in dogs colours was wrong. Ricky was past his best then, but deserved better. We don't win a premiership without him.
Priddis was so superior to Woolford I'll never understand why he left.
Bateman was a big loss. But he was also a massive flog.
Losing Lazarus sucked. He was the best prop in the world at that point. Losing Wiki due to cheating is hard to understand.
Ricky and Clyde in dogs colours was wrong. Ricky was past his best then, but deserved better. We don't win a premiership without him.
Priddis was so superior to Woolford I'll never understand why he left.
Bateman was a big loss. But he was also a massive flog.
The spiral of silence refers to the idea that when people fail to speak, the price of speaking rises. As the price to speak rises, still fewer speak out, which further causes the price to rise, so that fewer people yet will speak out, until a whole culture or nation is silenced. This is what happened in Germany.
If you do not speak, you are not being neutral, but are contributing to the success of the thing you refuse to name and condemn.
If you do not speak, you are not being neutral, but are contributing to the success of the thing you refuse to name and condemn.
- FuiFui BradBrad
- Bradley Clyde
- Posts: 8651
- Joined: May 3, 2008, 10:23 pm
- Favourite Player: Phil Graham
- Location: Marsden Park
Re: Who is the one player you wish had never left the Raiders?
For me it was Schif and Wiki. A part of me died when Schif left.
Left of field choice goes to JayCar. I really enjoyed watching him when he was with us. He was starting to grow on me. Shame what happened to him.
Left of field choice goes to JayCar. I really enjoyed watching him when he was with us. He was starting to grow on me. Shame what happened to him.
Feel free to call me RickyRicky StickStick if you like. I will also accept Super Fui, King Brad, Kid Dynamite, Chocolate-Thunda... or Brad.
Nickman's love of NSW
Nickman's love of NSW
- NSW has done a superb job - 18/12/2020
- NSW has been world-class with their approach to date, that's a fact. - 04/02/2021
- Kryptonite
- John Ferguson
- Posts: 2510
- Joined: June 4, 2012, 8:27 am
- Favourite Player: Terry Reagan
- Location: Brisbane
Re: Who is the one player you wish had never left the Raiders?
Stuart, Clyde for semantics but Ben Kennedy for raw winning talent
-
- Simon Woolford
- Posts: 400
- Joined: March 5, 2007, 2:16 pm
Re: Who is the one player you wish had never left the Raiders?
In sentimental terms, I can't go past McLinden and Vainokolo. Both favourites of mine when I was a kid who left the club at a fairly young age.
When it comes to players who I think on reflection could fundamentally have changed the direction of the club, it's Kennedy, Priddis and Carney. Michael Monaghan wasn't quite in this class, but I definitely agree that moving him on was up there for the dumbest decisions we've made. What I wouldn't give to have a player of his quality starting in the 7 jersey next season....!
When it comes to players who I think on reflection could fundamentally have changed the direction of the club, it's Kennedy, Priddis and Carney. Michael Monaghan wasn't quite in this class, but I definitely agree that moving him on was up there for the dumbest decisions we've made. What I wouldn't give to have a player of his quality starting in the 7 jersey next season....!
-
- Laurie Daley
- Posts: 12655
- Joined: April 29, 2017, 7:22 pm
- Favourite Player: Ashley Gilbert
Re: Who is the one player you wish had never left the Raiders?
Still not over Sean Hoppe moving to the bears
-
- Brett Mullins
- Posts: 1473
- Joined: July 11, 2015, 5:57 pm
- Favourite Player: Laurie Daley
- Location: Canberra
Re: Who is the one player you wish had never left the Raiders?
George Williams. Damn he was good for Warrington this morning, so good that he was invisible…