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Lol!julian87 wrote: ↑October 12, 2021, 4:21 pmDefine solid.afgtnk wrote: ↑October 12, 2021, 2:37 pmWilliams' long kicking game was solid last season.mongoose wrote: ↑October 12, 2021, 8:56 amHopefully Fogarty can fix out long kicking game a bit cause G Williams was horrible in that department and Wighton's is erratic to say the least.TongueFTW wrote: ↑October 11, 2021, 7:51 amAgree with this. It’s a very different side. Next season will very much depend on how our young outside backs develop their game. Our attack needs to be much better, but the thing is, we didn’t even “grindball” effectively this year. Numerous games where we conceded 30+ points, compared to 2019 and 2020 where it was rare. The side clearly wasn’t fit enough, and not making the extra plays in defence required.afgtnk wrote: ↑October 10, 2021, 8:33 pm Fogarty is at best a solid player. A large downgrade on George Williams, which was to be expected. Having Crawley back will hopefully help out to mitigate that loss. His goal kicking ability and experience in leading a team is definitely a plus.
Granted there weren't many options immediately available to us, so I hope that the club still has a more permanent solution on the agenda, and retains the capability to strike when possible. I really want to see a concerted effort to have a kid brought up from within.
A lot of people are bringing up 2016, 2019 and so on, but this isn't the same team. We don't have BJ, Nicko, or Bateman, Rapa is past his prime, Hodgo and Whitehead are ageing and may also be past it, Croker is shot. It's apples and oranges. A lot rests on how our outside backs develop, but really I don't think one move in the market is enough at this stage.
I think there is a lot of revisionist history being applied to George Williams. He was an excellent player. Remember last year we lost the strike of BJ, and didn’t have Bateman for most of the season. Williams was a large part of why we got to the preliminary, and his deficiencies have been greatly exaggerated since his departure. Had an excellent short kicking game, support play, decent ball playing, and was developing his combination with Wighton. His defence was top tier for a half. Fogarty is a solid player, probably the best of all the options we had, but let’s not pretend he is better for the side than George Williams was, purely on field.
George Williams long kicking game consisted of 30-40 metre chip kicks. His short kicking game held up but his long kicking game was never good enough as a halfback, as he's not a halfback.
Jules is spot on here. G willy was at his best taking on the line, his support play was good and defence above average for a half. Jack has a far superior long kicking game than his which says plenty. I'm not saying that fog will be better or worse I'm just pointing out that g willys long kicking game was barely first grade standard. Its not why anyone rates the bloke and with good reason.afgtnk wrote: ↑October 13, 2021, 8:18 pmLol!julian87 wrote: ↑October 12, 2021, 4:21 pmDefine solid.afgtnk wrote: ↑October 12, 2021, 2:37 pmWilliams' long kicking game was solid last season.mongoose wrote: ↑October 12, 2021, 8:56 amHopefully Fogarty can fix out long kicking game a bit cause G Williams was horrible in that department and Wighton's is erratic to say the least.TongueFTW wrote: ↑October 11, 2021, 7:51 am
Agree with this. It’s a very different side. Next season will very much depend on how our young outside backs develop their game. Our attack needs to be much better, but the thing is, we didn’t even “grindball” effectively this year. Numerous games where we conceded 30+ points, compared to 2019 and 2020 where it was rare. The side clearly wasn’t fit enough, and not making the extra plays in defence required.
I think there is a lot of revisionist history being applied to George Williams. He was an excellent player. Remember last year we lost the strike of BJ, and didn’t have Bateman for most of the season. Williams was a large part of why we got to the preliminary, and his deficiencies have been greatly exaggerated since his departure. Had an excellent short kicking game, support play, decent ball playing, and was developing his combination with Wighton. His defence was top tier for a half. Fogarty is a solid player, probably the best of all the options we had, but let’s not pretend he is better for the side than George Williams was, purely on field.
George Williams long kicking game consisted of 30-40 metre chip kicks. His short kicking game held up but his long kicking game was never good enough as a halfback, as he's not a halfback.
Still tooting that horn, all by yourself. Bless.
I can't read CT articles. Is that number confirmed? Some reports have mentioned 350k (just over a mill for 3 years). That's not really a lot for a FG halfback. That's decent value for your "solid" half, when you have 900k wrapped up in your x factor half.
Yep. He’d upgraded at Titans and we have further upgraded. Albeit at a low halfback wage.gergreg wrote:I thought some reports claimed he was on about 150k and had re-signed with Titans for about double that.
He's not. Good back and watch footage of last season.FROG wrote: ↑October 14, 2021, 5:12 amJules is spot on here.afgtnk wrote: ↑October 13, 2021, 8:18 pmLol!
Still tooting that horn, all by yourself. Bless.
Considering he was already on circa $250k and set to play QLD Cup this year.....I think it is.
I’ll be judging him less for what he does individually, and more by what he allows others to do.Botman wrote: ↑October 14, 2021, 10:15 am Lets be very honest about this. Fogarty would not be in the top 8 halfbacks in the league
He's here simply because he's at least a competent NRL player and we simply do not have that on the roster... its possible he could come here, gel really well with the team and squad and take his game up another level, and may be with a squad refresh and better attacking structure with Crawley coming back, maybe we could make a big jump... but it's also possible this goes the other way. He could come here, not fit in and it could be a disaster.
That's the sort of player we've got here. He's likely just going to be a slightly below average but competent NRL halfback, unfortunately for us given the options available to us, that's the best that could be done. Any of the other names we speculated about here would have been in the similar level players.
So expectations need to be in line with that. This is not a silver bullet by any means
100% GE.greeneyed wrote: ↑October 14, 2021, 11:47 am I thought Fogarty was on $150k, but his new Titans deal upgraded that to $300k. The Raiders deal is reported at around $1 million to $1.2 million. So between $350k-$400k. $400k is the highest number I've heard. But either way, it isn't a huge upgrade - and something would have been needed to get him to change clubs. And even $400k is a budget half.
Coastalraider wrote: ↑October 14, 2021, 11:50 amI’ll be judging him less for what he does individually, and more by what he allows others to do.Botman wrote: ↑October 14, 2021, 10:15 am Lets be very honest about this. Fogarty would not be in the top 8 halfbacks in the league
He's here simply because he's at least a competent NRL player and we simply do not have that on the roster... its possible he could come here, gel really well with the team and squad and take his game up another level, and may be with a squad refresh and better attacking structure with Crawley coming back, maybe we could make a big jump... but it's also possible this goes the other way. He could come here, not fit in and it could be a disaster.
That's the sort of player we've got here. He's likely just going to be a slightly below average but competent NRL halfback, unfortunately for us given the options available to us, that's the best that could be done. Any of the other names we speculated about here would have been in the similar level players.
So expectations need to be in line with that. This is not a silver bullet by any means
If he can free up Wighton to return to form, tick. If he can properly utilise CHN and outside backs, tick. If he can improve our long kicking game, tick. If he can kick goals at 70+%, tick.
He’s never going to a dally M player, but he is a key cog in unlocking the machine, that’s his value.
@Botman, I think you are under selling him a little, because I think you could argue him in the top 8, but I have him at 9, and Id call that middle grouping "average". When you talk about 7s, there arent that many.Coastalraider wrote: ↑October 14, 2021, 11:52 am And I’ll be honest, the above really shouldn’t be that hard for a serviceable genuine 7. A lot of our issues in recent years with those areas had been because we have been trying to wedge a second 5/8 in the role who aren’t actually all that good at those roles (regardless of individual talent as a 6, ie George and Sezer), or the genuine 7 is well past his best, which wasn’t all that great in the first place in sammy.
Just don’t ask his Tigers teammates.Raiders666 wrote:Brooks is In the upper echelons Matt... The guy is a fantastic player, Just ask his only fan Afghks
I'd say it would have to be partly due to coaching, he debuted as a five eight and developed as a halfback under Griffin, and those early years were probably his best years.
Spoke too soonChicka Chicka Chicka wrote: ↑October 14, 2021, 4:37 pm I take it the potential Hodgo shift to the Titans story has run its course then?
Black Austin, Adam Elliot, Jack Wighting... any danger of these clowns spelling the players' names right? Amazed Jarrod Crocker isn't in there.greeneyed wrote: ↑October 20, 2021, 1:53 pm ‘Of the same ilk’: Raiders legend explains why Ricky has finally found his halfback
The 2021 season was a shemozzle from start to finish. But all is not lost, says club legend Glenn Lazarus, with 2022 is set to bring new fortunes to the Green Machine. Lazarus believes Fogarty will thrive under his new coach because they’re such similar players.
“They’re of the same ilk,” Lazarus said. “Fogarty looks like he’s a really good director, probably not as good as Ricky but he directs teams around and has a really good kicking game.
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