Seiffert82 wrote: ↑September 22, 2021, 10:45 pm
Can't say I've watched enough of Fogarty to have a strong opinion. What I have seen is quite underwhelming. He's a 27 year old who has played about 2 First Grade seasons with the Titans. Doesn't scream success. Seems to have a decent skillset, but doesn't seem to be a great game manager. He's possibly a better than our existing options though. At least he is a genuine halfback.
I'm very interested in the fact the club is persuing him, Peachey and CHT. My only question is whether they are chasing all three at once, which would completely turn our attacking structure on its head. I have no doubts that we would have the cap space to do so.
Interesting days.
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He's not a great game manager. He's not even a great player. The Titans looked directionless against the Roosters with him steering the ship, or failing to steer the ship more accurately. But you'd be hard-pressed to say he's not a first-grader, and hopefully we will have enough ad-lib attack elsewhere in the team to compensate. If he can chime in with some kicking, goalkicking and assists here and there it's a win
Yes, I agree with you - you're on the half-empty spectrum and I like him a bit more, without going overboard, but it's still a win for the club compared to what we have now.
We need a better 7 than the options we currently have on the books. Fogarty is better and can hopefully produce consistent competent performance week after week. We have recruited young players in the 7 position and I await their development. Fogarty played 21 matches for the Titans this year with a 33% win percentage. We go into this with eyes wide open knowing we are not buying brilliance. We are looking to upgrade the weakest positional link in the Raiders squad. Fogarty will provide that upgrade.
Seiffert82 wrote: ↑September 22, 2021, 10:45 pm
Can't say I've watched enough of Fogarty to have a strong opinion. What I have seen is quite underwhelming. Seems to have a decent skillset, but doesn't seem to be a great game manager. He's probably better than our existing options though.
I'm very interested in the fact the club is persuing him, Peachey and CHT. My only question is whether they are chasing all three at once, which would completely turn our attacking structure on its head. I have no doubts that we would have the cap space to do so.
Interesting days.
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I reckon I've seen every Titans game this year (though to be fair I think I've missed about three NRL games all season - possibly I need a life) and Fogarty isn't a great linebreaker but he has a nice short ball and a good kicking game. Mostly though he has a calm head that isn't just about putting up dinky kicks. In the last couple of weeks I've seen a few Warrington games with George Williams (by way of comparison) and Fogarty is probably better that George. Of course he's not hindered by Old Man Widdop and Blake Austin coming off the bench to give away penalties, but still...
With Fogarty, Peachey would be an even more excellent moneyball buy. And there'd be no need to chase CHT because the obvious idea would be for Fogarty to fill a gap, or win a premiership, while we wait for Schneider to get a bit more game time and become a superstar. Haha fingers crossed.
Hong Kong Raider wrote: ↑September 22, 2021, 8:05 pm
Best option available. Much prefer Fogarty over Ash Taylor, Brooks, Dylan Brown, Cust, Milford, Lachlan Lam, Townsend (even if they were available). Gold Coast's attack has looked good this year - helps if you have Justin Hollbrook as coach as well !
Cannot understand why we cannot sign both Peachey and Fogarty - I pointed out on another post we have around $1.3 million to spend with the departures of G Williams, Scott and Ryan James.
I agree. I think the DT are talking out their ......
Yea the way I figured if we swap James for Hazleton, still a cap win. +100k or so on that one.
-PJ- wrote: ↑September 23, 2021, 6:37 am
This will do for now.
They’d better be a bigger target in the crosshairs though.
Realistically though who is the biggest target ?? There isn't much around at all, plus no reserve grade means there is no scoping out potential stars of the future.
Seiffert82 wrote: ↑September 22, 2021, 10:45 pm
Can't say I've watched enough of Fogarty to have a strong opinion. What I have seen is quite underwhelming. He's a 27 year old who has played about 2 First Grade seasons with the Titans. Doesn't scream success. Seems to have a decent skillset, but doesn't seem to be a great game manager. He's possibly a better than our existing options though. At least he is a genuine halfback.
I'm very interested in the fact the club is persuing him, Peachey and CHT. My only question is whether they are chasing all three at once, which would completely turn our attacking structure on its head. I have no doubts that we would have the cap space to do so.
Interesting days.
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I've seen him look quite good. Decent pass, good smart short kick and he engages the line and is a running threat. Yes, Papa caught him over 40-50m after he did some dodging but he's zippy enough on the acceleration, moves a lot better than Ash Taylor and Pearce for example. I've literally seen him score length of the field breakaway tries (v Penriff iirc). I'd put him better than Sezer in engaging the line, decent passing, better than Sezer running game but not GWilly level. Defence probably not as strong as those two, but about average for a halfback, not poor.
I like this. I think Fogarty is a good player and a good fit. We’ll be a better team with him.
This isn’t a marquee signing by any stretch but it shows the club is being smart not desperate. Not agreeing to $400K per season for Peachey is the same. That’s only a bit over the average wage yet they aren’t taking it.
Hong Kong Raider wrote: ↑September 22, 2021, 8:05 pm
Best option available. Much prefer Fogarty over Ash Taylor, Brooks, Dylan Brown, Cust, Milford, Lachlan Lam, Townsend (even if they were available). Gold Coast's attack has looked good this year - helps if you have Justin Hollbrook as coach as well !
Cannot understand why we cannot sign both Peachey and Fogarty - I pointed out on another post we have around $1.3 million to spend with the departures of G Williams, Scott and Ryan James.
I agree. I think the DT are talking out their ......
Yea the way I figured if we swap James for Hazleton, still a cap win. +100k or so on that one.
Seiffert82 wrote: ↑September 22, 2021, 10:45 pm
Can't say I've watched enough of Fogarty to have a strong opinion. What I have seen is quite underwhelming. Seems to have a decent skillset, but doesn't seem to be a great game manager. He's probably better than our existing options though.
I'm very interested in the fact the club is persuing him, Peachey and CHT. My only question is whether they are chasing all three at once, which would completely turn our attacking structure on its head. I have no doubts that we would have the cap space to do so.
Interesting days.
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I reckon I've seen every Titans game this year (though to be fair I think I've missed about three NRL games all season - possibly I need a life) and Fogarty isn't a great linebreaker but he has a nice short ball and a good kicking game. Mostly though he has a calm head that isn't just about putting up dinky kicks. In the last couple of weeks I've seen a few Warrington games with George Williams (by way of comparison) and Fogarty is probably better that George. Of course he's not hindered by Old Man Widdop and Blake Austin coming off the bench to give away penalties, but still...
With Fogarty, Peachey would be an even more excellent moneyball buy. And there'd be no need to chase CHT because the obvious idea would be for Fogarty to fill a gap, or win a premiership, while we wait for Schneider to get a bit more game time and become a superstar. Haha fingers crossed.
Yeah, I probably wasn't as high on Williams as others. Good running 5/8, but couldn't manage his way out of a wet paper bag. Ordinary long kicking game too. Surprisingly great defender though.
I think Fogarty adds something to our team. He'd clearly be a stopgap though. If both he and Peachey come, at least they have a bit of a combo already going.
Yeah, I am not ecstatic to have him as our 7 next year but it isn't a bad signing either. Having a hard working guy who has had to fight for every opportunity is probably the most positive aspect if he comes to Canberra. And him being thought of highly enough at the Titans to captain them speaks volumes for him as an individual.
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-PJ- wrote: ↑September 23, 2021, 6:37 am
This will do for now.
They’d better be a bigger target in the crosshairs though.
Realistically though who is the biggest target ?? There isn't much around at all, plus no reserve grade means there is no scoping out potential stars of the future.
We need to be on the front foot right now, looking 2-3 yrs from now.
We need a plan post Fogarty, and I’d like to think our next halfback will be upper echelon.
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Fogarty may be on the move... it would solve Raiders ‘weakness’... but Titans say not so fast
Just over one month ago, the Titans extended halfback and co-captain Jamal Fogarty until the end of the 2023 season. Now Fogarty is reportedly eyeing an early exit, with the Raiders keen on luring the 27-year-old to the nation’s capital. The Gold Coast though have put brakes onto the situation, at least for the time being.
Could be a long saga. Fogarty told youngster is starting at No. 7 in 2022. Fogarty says, fine I'll look elsewhere. Raiders make offer. Titans say you can't go. Fogarty says I'd really like to go. Raiders say we'd really like you to come. Titans say no. Fogarty says not happy Jan... etc etc. In the era of player power, guess what happens?
greeneyed wrote: ↑September 23, 2021, 11:05 am
Could be a long saga. Fogarty told youngster is starting at No. 7 in 2022. Fogarty says, fine I'll look elsewhere. Raiders make offer. Titans say you can't go. Fogarty says I'd really like to go. Raiders say we'd really like you to come. Titans say no. Fogarty says not happy Jan... etc etc. In the era of player power, guess what happens?
Yeah if we really want him, and he really wants to be here, it'll happen.
Just might take longer than i initially expected after seeing the Titans CEO comments
It’s a bit of a dick move by the Titans to make someone club captain, re-sign them, then a month later go ‘you’re actually a depth player and will be playing Q-Cup unless Sexton or Brimson get injured’.
I predict that he’ll be lining up with our guys on the first day of pre-season.
Sometimes the light at the end of the tunnel is just the train that's about to hit you.
greeneyed wrote: ↑September 23, 2021, 11:05 am
Could be a long saga. Fogarty told youngster is starting at No. 7 in 2022. Fogarty says, fine I'll look elsewhere. Raiders make offer. Titans say you can't go. Fogarty says I'd really like to go. Raiders say we'd really like you to come. Titans say no. Fogarty says not happy Jan... etc etc. In the era of player power, guess what happens?
He's homesick... It's covid... his dad's crook and there's no hospitals or medicine on the Gold Coast... his family doesn't like it there... he needs to be closer to his family...it's a mental health issue...it's a player welfare issue...
It's pretty obvious where this is heading. The only unknown for me is how much of hodgos salary they'd want us to pay with a player swap. I'd say nil. Call their bluff and start negotiating with CHT
Titans douse Raiders' Fogarty interest as exits free up No.7 cash
Canberra's hunt for a new No.7 will continue after Titans officials told the Raiders that co-captain Jamal Fogarty would not be granted an early release to move to the nation's capital.
Veteran Raiders recruitment chief Peter Mulholland said the imminent release of Ryan James to the Broncos would see further funds added to Canberra's halfback pursuit. James is poised to be released early to take up a one-year deal with Brisbane, while fellow veteran Dunamis Lui has also been told he won't be re-signed.
greeneyed wrote: ↑September 23, 2021, 1:55 pmTitans douse Raiders' Fogarty interest as exits free up No.7 cash
Canberra's hunt for a new No.7 will continue after Titans officials told the Raiders that co-captain Jamal Fogarty would not be granted an early release to move to the nation's capital.
Veteran Raiders recruitment chief Peter Mulholland said the imminent release of Ryan James to the Broncos would see further funds added to Canberra's halfback pursuit. James is poised to be released early to take up a one-year deal with Brisbane, while fellow veteran Dunamis Lui has also been told he won't be re-signed.
Titans - 'We won't stand in the way of any player that doesnt want to be a titans player'
Fogarty - 'Hey, I want to go play for canberra'
Raiders - 'Yes, we would love to have you and will pay for your release'