Nick Cotric returns to Raiders on three year deal

[FROG]

Didn't rapana sign a two year extension?

Hey, could be overthinking this but anyone else think this move could suggest something about Crokers future? I.e Croker medically retiring when the dollars freed up to sign nicko

[gangrenous]

Based on what exactly?

He's flat out making that back five right now in the view of many, and certainly not at fullback.

You and your alts only count as 1 person.

[bonehead]

Vossy reporting Raiders only have the Cotric cash if Hodgo goes

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[RedRaider]

Boney, I don't know where Vossy gets his information, but given how thin we are at 9 and the word being that Hodgo is staying, I reckon the balance of the side needs a dummy half more than another outside back, even a quality one.

[-PJ-]

Cotric walks into our starting side with no legs.

I welcome this, should never have left.

Will find his mojo again, he’s a Raider.

[benda]

Cotric walks into our starting side with no legs.

I welcome this, should never have left.

Will find his mojo again, he’s a Raider.

Agree.

[bonehead]

Boney, I don't know where Vossy gets his information, but given how thin we are at 9 and the word being that Hodgo is staying, I reckon the balance of the side needs a dummy half more than another outside back, even a quality one.

where's the cash?

outs
George Williams 700k
Curtis Scott $600k
Sia $250k
Dunamis $250k
Havili $250k
James $400k
Adam Cook $100k
$2.55m

ins
Fogarty $350k
Elliott $250k
Hola $250k
$850k

upgrades I'll assume they are all $100k top up
Mooney
HSS
Timoko
Hoppa
Jack
Papa
Whitehead
Starling $200k top up
$900k

where's the other $650k

edit
Valemei and Savage also in

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[Raiders666]

Boney, I don't know where Vossy gets his information, but given how thin we are at 9 and the word being that Hodgo is staying, I reckon the balance of the side needs a dummy half more than another outside back, even a quality one.

I agree

[gerg]

Ok, so we take him back - who leaves? There was speculation that Simmonson was on Eels radar - that's gone quiet. Not sure where Semi fits in but he was recently extended, rightly or wrongly. But the price of these two would be half of Cotric. I think there's quite a few moves to play out before we even get close. If they're relying on Croker money for this that could be some way off and there's no guarantee the NRL will allow it - they do hate us remember:)

[RichmondRaider]

Maybe they weren't all 100k top ups

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[GreenMachine]

Cotric would walk back into the side.
Simo and Semi could leave and Croker retire.
That clears the cap and roster spots for the young up and comers..

[Coastalraider]

Outside the box.. we want Rapa involved, Cotric wants to play centre, CNK helps out defensive stricture and we need savages speed.

1. Rapa
2. Savage
3. Cotric
4. CNK
5. Valemi

[Brew]

Only downside is, how would we fit savage in the 17 come round 1?

Seems to be the unpopular opinion but I absolutely would not have him playing fullback over CNK come round 1.

I dont think hard to fit in Savage at all

1. Savage
2. Rapana
3. CNK/Timoko/HSS
4. CNK/Timoko/HSS
5. Cotric

Problem solved, in fact he wouldnt even really be impacted by this. If Savage turns out to not be suited at fullback, he'll be primed to take over from Rapana who must SURELY be retiring after this year, his body surely cant give much more

Yep agree, Timoko and CNK as starting centres

Croker, Bailey Semi as depth

Kris can play a role off the bench IMO


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[Billy Walker]

Vossy reporting Raiders only have the Cotric cash if Hodgo goes

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Yep - big call taking money out of the spine and investing in an already crowded wing position. It’s not a balanced cap. The price would needs to be right and one or two outside backs would need to shuffle on. It’s not good value if you ask me. Yes he stacks up on the player on player comparisons but that isn’t how you build a roster.

[Crash Ball]

Given the nature of his departure I am a little surprised he would come back to Canberra by choice. Great news if it happens though.

[Billy Walker]

Only downside is, how would we fit savage in the 17 come round 1?

Seems to be the unpopular opinion but I absolutely would not have him playing fullback over CNK come round 1.

I dont think hard to fit in Savage at all

1. Savage
2. Rapana
3. CNK/Timoko/HSS
4. CNK/Timoko/HSS
5. Cotric

Problem solved, in fact he wouldnt even really be impacted by this. If Savage turns out to not be suited at fullback, he'll be primed to take over from Rapana who must SURELY be retiring after this year, his body surely cant give much more

Yep agree, Timoko and CNK as starting centres

Croker, Bailey Semi as depth

Kris can play a role off the bench IMO


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While not arguing with your selections, something like this would mean that you have the best part of $1m sitting in your 3 player depth. While not possible this year, I suggest where we need to get to is to reduce that to $500k and whack the rest into the spine. My fear with this move is that we will be over capitalising in our outside backs and depth and underinvested in 1, 7 and 9. Also when you tally up the total of what we would be paying for outside backs I’m not sure we have the superstar players other club’s forking out the same cash might boast. We will be paying overs for too many above average players when perhaps we should be aiming for 2 outstanding players and a decent back up.

[Matt]

Anything 450K or less, and I think we are getting a good deal on Cotric. So if that's 150-200K+ in freight, we are laughing.

What did we offer him last yr? 500? 550? 600?

$450k Cotric - ok maybe, but tally up the total of what we will be paying for the 2 and 5 jumpers and the back ups and we have a lopsided roster. We’d be forking out lots more for the value we’d be getting in those two positions.

What's Rapa on?
Kris, HSS, Timoko and Hoppa only got rookie upgrades, with the later only upgraded to top 30 status. Surely none of them are on over 250K.

He is too bulky and not quick enough. Savage is our future in the back 3. Players like Saab and Ado-Carr are the prototype in the modern game. I think Nick has peaked and his bulky frame is injury prone. I hope I’m wrong because he seems like a good kid but I think he is a bit limited.

I'd play Savage at FB, and have 2 battering rams on the wings. Best of both worlds.

[Northern Raider]

Given the nature of his departure I am a little surprised he would come back to Canberra by choice. Great news if it happens though.

I've missed something. What was the nature of his departure other than being offered a ridiculously big contract elsewhere?

[Raiders666]

Given the nature of his departure I am a little surprised he would come back to Canberra by choice. Great news if it happens though.

I don't understand this...He was crying his eyes out in his last game for us

[greeneyed]

Vossy reporting Raiders only have the Cotric cash if Hodgo goes

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How is this possible?

[Botman]

Given the nature of his departure I am a little surprised he would come back to Canberra by choice. Great news if it happens though.

I've missed something. What was the nature of his departure other than being offered a ridiculously big contract elsewhere?

I dont think there was any acrimony on either side
As it was told to me, Cotric was eager to move to Sydney and would only stay if the money was too good, the club made it clear early that sort of money wasn't on offer and everyone understood and respected each others decisions

I'd have to wonder if all the lock downs, added with a major injury and a bad football team where he was catching colds when he was on the field may have given Cotric a lot of time to really consider the his motivations when leaving. But certainly im not aware of he or the club having any ill feelings

[Raiders666]

How could we go from looking at getting Brown and Jr Paulo...To having no money to spend on anyone. I hate my life

[Botman]

How could we go from looking at getting Brown and Jr Paulo...To having no money to spend on anyone. I hate my life

Brown sucks.

[Azza]

Vossy reporting Raiders only have the Cotric cash if Hodgo goes

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How is this possible?

We are a joke of a club. No wonder it's been almost 30 years.

[Dusty]

He was bog average in his last season or so with us too, not just last year.


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Not really. He was our top try scorer.

Even still, he was average at best


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[Dusty]

He was bog average in his last season or so with us too, not just last year.


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Not really. He was our top try scorer.

He also had 14 line breaks and 126 tackle breaks in 2020. That's a season people are knocking him for. Do Simo and Semi have 14 line breaks between them in the last 2 seasons combined?

Lots of tackle break but when he breaks tackles he crabs sideways and didn’t make much yardage.


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[BadnMean]

Outside the box.. we want Rapa involved, Cotric wants to play centre, CNK helps out defensive stricture and we need savages speed.

1. Rapa
2. Savage
3. Cotric
4. CNK
5. Valemi

Literally the worst possible back 5 combination you could have made. Sorry mate, big no from me!

[Raiders666]

How could we go from looking at getting Brown and Jr Paulo...To having no money to spend on anyone. I hate my life

Brown sucks.

I know he does...The point I was making is he wouldn't have come cheaply same as Paulo.

[BadnMean]

He was bog average in his last season or so with us too, not just last year.


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Not really. He was our top try scorer.

He also had 14 line breaks and 126 tackle breaks in 2020. That's a season people are knocking him for. Do Simo and Semi have 14 line breaks between them in the last 2 seasons combined?

Lots of tackle break but when he breaks tackles he crabs sideways and didn’t make much yardage.


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So does Rapa. Sometimes it works.

Cotric averaged 130m in completed games on the wing in 2020. Considering that's below his usual standards, not bad at all.

There's zero doubt he's better than Simo and Semi. By a wide margin.

Whether we need him back right now- that's debatable.

[Wiki Special]

Anything 450K or less, and I think we are getting a good deal on Cotric. So if that's 150-200K+ in freight, we are laughing.

What did we offer him last yr? 500? 550? 600?

$450k Cotric - ok maybe, but tally up the total of what we will be paying for the 2 and 5 jumpers and the back ups and we have a lopsided roster. We’d be forking out lots more for the value we’d be getting in those two positions.

What's Rapa on?
Kris, HSS, Timoko and Hoppa only got rookie upgrades, with the later only upgraded to top 30 status. Surely none of them are on over 250K.

He is too bulky and not quick enough. Savage is our future in the back 3. Players like Saab and Ado-Carr are the prototype in the modern game. I think Nick has peaked and his bulky frame is injury prone. I hope I’m wrong because he seems like a good kid but I think he is a bit limited.

I'd play Savage at FB, and have 2 battering rams on the wings. Best of both worlds.

Yeah, I'm thinking similarly now Matt. I've been firm in wanting to keep CNK at fullback while Savage develops. But if Savage were thrown in the deep as fullback to start 2022 you couldn't get a better wing combo than Cotric and Rapana to look after him.

[afgtnk]

It’s an odd take that we value a future signing by weighing him up against the current player we think is weakest in the position.

I'm weighing him up against the best we have, and he's still comfortably better.

No one should have any doubts about this - Nick Cotric walks back into this side with the current squad we have and is the first back picked.

I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you mean the back 5. In which case, like it or not CNK is easily the first picked.

Based on what exactly?

He's flat out making that back five right now in the view of many, and certainly not at fullback.

Ha. I understand there's a widespread and self-reinforcing view here that somehow CNK is on the outer and going to be shunted for an 18yo who's played two games, at fullback. OK. I just don't personally agree with that, and nor do I think it cuts any ice with the Raiders' coaching staff. They want someone who can organise a backline and a defence, and CNK is (in my view) being lambasted here simply because he doesn't apparently throw a cutout pass often enough.

I'm not his mum, so check this out:

The Kiwi fullback has been one of the Raiders’ best players since he made the move from the Warriors in 2019. After initially signing on a $130,000-a-year deal and having a breakout season, the silky mover signed a modest $330,000-a-year deal which runs out at the end of 2023. Although Nicoll-Klokstad suffered a neck injury and was predicted to be out for the season in May, he was back on the bench as early as August after a shock recovery from after spinal fusion surgery. Nicoll-Klokstad had similar metres-per-game to Tom Trbojevic and Dylan Edwards as well as having a better kick defusal percentage than Clint Gutherson, James Tedesco and Roger Tuivasa-Sheck since 2019. The Raiders will be hoping their star fullback will be back to his best in 2022 and the 26-year-old will be looking for a nice extension, with a well-deserved pay rise next season.

Read more: https://www.foxsports.com.au/nrl/nrl-pr ... ba70c926da

Agree with that or not, I reckon he would be the first named (provided Jarrod Croker isn't in the mix) and is a fair candidate for a future captaincy. Doresn't mean it's the right decision, just what I think is really obvious.

CNK at fullback isn't even a debate for me anymore, and many on here as well it seems.

We can't continue with him in the position, simple as that - especially with Crawley coming back in. Either he adapts to centre, or finds himself another club.

[greeneyed]

Canberra Raiders approached about potential Nick Cotric return

The Raiders would welcome Nick Cotric back to the club with open arms, if a deal can be struck with the Canterbury Bulldogs around the final two years of his lucrative deal at Belmore. His manager Sam Ayoub has contacted a number of clubs about Cotric, including the Raiders. Ayoub was in Canberra on Wednesday, but the visit was not Cotric related.

Read more: https://www.canberratimes.com.au/story/ ... /?cs=14239

[papabear]

Honestly, it is simply about cost.

Outside back is no longer a position of need for us. If we get him cheap I.e. paying less then half of his contract, then yes take him simply because it isnt taking up much cap space for a good player.

But we should absolutely not be paying 400k plus for another winger, when we are loaded on outside backs.

[papabear]

I'm weighing him up against the best we have, and he's still comfortably better.

No one should have any doubts about this - Nick Cotric walks back into this side with the current squad we have and is the first back picked.

I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you mean the back 5. In which case, like it or not CNK is easily the first picked.

Based on what exactly?

He's flat out making that back five right now in the view of many, and certainly not at fullback.

Ha. I understand there's a widespread and self-reinforcing view here that somehow CNK is on the outer and going to be shunted for an 18yo who's played two games, at fullback. OK. I just don't personally agree with that, and nor do I think it cuts any ice with the Raiders' coaching staff. They want someone who can organise a backline and a defence, and CNK is (in my view) being lambasted here simply because he doesn't apparently throw a cutout pass often enough.

I'm not his mum, so check this out:

The Kiwi fullback has been one of the Raiders’ best players since he made the move from the Warriors in 2019. After initially signing on a $130,000-a-year deal and having a breakout season, the silky mover signed a modest $330,000-a-year deal which runs out at the end of 2023. Although Nicoll-Klokstad suffered a neck injury and was predicted to be out for the season in May, he was back on the bench as early as August after a shock recovery from after spinal fusion surgery. Nicoll-Klokstad had similar metres-per-game to Tom Trbojevic and Dylan Edwards as well as having a better kick defusal percentage than Clint Gutherson, James Tedesco and Roger Tuivasa-Sheck since 2019. The Raiders will be hoping their star fullback will be back to his best in 2022 and the 26-year-old will be looking for a nice extension, with a well-deserved pay rise next season.

Read more: https://www.foxsports.com.au/nrl/nrl-pr ... ba70c926da

Agree with that or not, I reckon he would be the first named (provided Jarrod Croker isn't in the mix) and is a fair candidate for a future captaincy. Doresn't mean it's the right decision, just what I think is really obvious.

CNK at fullback isn't even a debate for me anymore, and many on here as well it seems.

We can't continue with him in the position, simple as that - especially with Crawley coming back in. Either he adapts to centre, or finds himself another club.

This is a rare time where I agree with you.

But for different reasons.

CNK isnt a fullback at the raiders because of the speed savage offers. We are devoid of speed (cotric doesnt fix that eh arguably makes it worse)...

If savage is injured or just loses game after game for us in the first 5 fielding kicks etc, maybe we switch back and let him develop on the wing. However for me, Savage should be given first nod at fullback if he can have a break out year, we can be playing with the big boys again.

[Azza]

Yeah 400k + would be overs - he hasn't shown great form the last 2 years and the game has changed. It would be peak Raiders if we ended up signing him for 10 years at 500k though.