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Re: Nick Cotric ready for shock return to Canberra as Bulldogs make cost-cutting decision

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sprintman wrote: December 9, 2021, 8:51 pm
greeneyed wrote: December 9, 2021, 8:39 pm
sprintman wrote: December 9, 2021, 8:24 pm
greeneyed wrote: December 9, 2021, 6:40 pm
Hong Kong Raider wrote: December 9, 2021, 5:46 pm I will be glad to have Cotric back. What I don't like is the report that we are contributing to Bailey Simonsson's salary in 2022 and 2023. We may have over estimated his abilities and consequently overpaying him.
I can’t believe we’re paying freight, but the SMH is indeed reporting that!
Of course we’re paying freight. It’s a business not a benevolent society..
I’ve explained the reasoning in another thread.
Which changes nothing.
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greeneyed wrote: December 9, 2021, 9:27 pm
sprintman wrote: December 9, 2021, 8:51 pm
greeneyed wrote: December 9, 2021, 8:39 pm
sprintman wrote: December 9, 2021, 8:24 pm
greeneyed wrote: December 9, 2021, 6:40 pm

I can’t believe we’re paying freight, but the SMH is indeed reporting that!
Of course we’re paying freight. It’s a business not a benevolent society..
I’ve explained the reasoning in another thread.
Which changes nothing.
I’m sorry you feel this way!
Sorry that you’re wrong?
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sprintman wrote: December 9, 2021, 9:46 pm
greeneyed wrote: December 9, 2021, 9:27 pm
sprintman wrote: December 9, 2021, 8:51 pm
greeneyed wrote: December 9, 2021, 8:39 pm
sprintman wrote: December 9, 2021, 8:24 pm

Of course we’re paying freight. It’s a business not a benevolent society..
I’ve explained the reasoning in another thread.
Which changes nothing.
I’m sorry you feel this way!
Sorry that you’re wrong?
No I’m just sorry you feel this way.
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One man’s trash is another man’s treasure - I’m sure Parra aren’t taking on Simo on the expectation he has hit his peak, nor are we happy to settle for 2021 Cotric form. Both clubs will see potential and opportunity to find upside in the new recruits. The reality is that not all NRL deals involve freight. Freight is only paid when a club has screwed up and signed a player well over the odds or when a club finds itself as a desperate seller into a luke warm market. Both Nick and Simo are on contracts that are currently too fat for their output - hence freight.
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Well we'll see how stretched the Bulldogs call us - that might determine the amount they are willing to tip in to move cotric on

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Nick Cotric coming home

Bulldogs flyer Nick Cotric is set to rejoin the Raiders after Green Machine winger Bailey Simonsson signed a three-year deal with the Eels. The Raiders are expected to sign back Cotric for the 2022 season in the coming days, according to The Daily Telegraph’s David Riccio.

“That will allow Nick Cotric from the Canterbury Bulldogs to finish his time up there after just twelve months. He will be gone, he’s played his last game for the Bulldogs, he’s heading back to Canberra.”

Read more: https://www.foxsports.com.au/nrl/nrl-pr ... b31f478fe9

AUDIO: Simonsson's departure to open door for Cotric return: https://www.sen.com.au/news/2021/12/09/ ... ic-return/

Eels solve dummy half problem with Hodgson signing: https://www.sen.com.au/news/2021/12/10/ ... n-signing/
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David Riccio saying in that interview that Cotric believes that a return to Canberra is the best thing for his football, which is why he's not going to be going to the Tigers. Sounds very sensible, well advised.
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Hopefully means he's motivated to do well.

Could be a really good addition to our squad if his head is in the right spot.

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He's going to really help us out coming off our goal line
He and Rapana are excellent as early set workhorses getting metres to help the forwards. Defensively i think he's a really and smart footballer who knows how Stuart likes to defend... I know some people think he's not suited to V'Landysball, i dont see that myself. There is a lot of power running wingers have good success in the league under the new rules.

Savage, Cotric, CNK, Timoko/HSS, Rapana... that's a pretty good backline. Certainly one capable of scoring points if the structure around is good enough
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rd1 everyone's heads explode when rapana plays left wing and cotric right

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Botman wrote:He's going to really help us out coming off our goal line
He and Rapana are excellent as early set workhorses getting metres to help the forwards. Defensively i think he's a really and smart footballer who knows how Stuart likes to defend... I know some people think he's not suited to V'Landysball, i dont see that myself. There is a lot of power running wingers have good success in the league under the new rules.

Savage, Cotric, CNK, Timoko/HSS, Rapana... that's a pretty good backline. Certainly one capable of scoring points if the structure around is good enough
You forgot the main man, Mr Croker lol

Interested to see what Mick Crawley can do with the backline


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Botman wrote: December 10, 2021, 1:54 pm Savage, Cotric, CNK, Timoko/HSS, Rapana... that's a pretty good backline. Certainly one capable of scoring points if the structure around is good enough
There is a good mix of youth, experience, size and speed there too.

It is a damn sight better than a backline of Semi, Simo, Croker and Scott which was close to what we were trotting out at times last year.
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Welcome home Nick.

I still don’t understand why you left in the first place.

I know why you left, but I’ll never understand it.
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-PJ- wrote: December 10, 2021, 2:45 pm Welcome home Nick.

I still don’t understand why you left in the first place.

I know why you left, but I’ll never understand it.
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greeneyed wrote: December 10, 2021, 1:29 pm David Riccio saying in that interview that Cotric believes that a return to Canberra is the best thing for his football, which is why he's not going to be going to the Tigers. Sounds very sensible, well advised.
But Tigers have more cash :lol:
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Backs looking better next year for sure.
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Id genuinely have cotric in centre before seeing croker there again
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So, cotric left us for a year to get paid more to recover from injuries and we get him back fresh at a cheaper price than we were going to pay him with the dogs topping him up? Ok thank you?
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simo wrote: December 10, 2021, 3:43 pm So, cotric left us for a year to get paid more to recover from injuries and we get him back fresh at a cheaper price than we were going to pay him with the dogs topping him up? Ok thank you?
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bonehead wrote: December 10, 2021, 1:58 pm rd1 everyone's heads explode when rapana plays left wing and cotric right
You know this could happen. Even after they mentioned Rapana is a natural right winger in the press conferences they still picked him on the left. It's good to have someone to blame.
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greeneyed wrote:David Riccio saying in that interview that Cotric believes that a return to Canberra is the best thing for his football, which is why he's not going to be going to the Tigers. Sounds very sensible, well advised.
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Swapping Simo for Cotric would be a nice piece of rostering.

And the "big" potentially rep quality signing we were hoping for. Maybe not in the position we wanted (2nd row would have been my first choice), but a good get nonetheless.
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Nic gets the big money he wanted for another 2 years and he gets to play at home. Win/win for him.
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bonehead wrote: December 10, 2021, 1:58 pm rd1 everyone's heads explode when rapana plays left wing and cotric right

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Mickey_Raider wrote: December 10, 2021, 2:20 pm
Botman wrote: December 10, 2021, 1:54 pm Savage, Cotric, CNK, Timoko/HSS, Rapana... that's a pretty good backline. Certainly one capable of scoring points if the structure around is good enough
There is a good mix of youth, experience, size and speed there too.

It is a damn sight better than a backline of Semi, Simo, Croker and Scott which was close to what we were trotting out at times last year.
Totally agree
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Botman wrote: December 10, 2021, 1:54 pm He's going to really help us out coming off our goal line
He and Rapana are excellent as early set workhorses getting metres to help the forwards. Defensively i think he's a really and smart footballer who knows how Stuart likes to defend... I know some people think he's not suited to V'Landysball, i dont see that myself. There is a lot of power running wingers have good success in the league under the new rules.

Savage, Cotric, CNK, Timoko/HSS, Rapana... that's a pretty good backline. Certainly one capable of scoring points if the structure around is good enough
Depending on Rick's preferred 5, he has positional flex with most of those guys too.
CNK - any back 5
Cotric - any back 5, by FB would be down the depth chart.
Rapa - any of the 5, but centre is hopeful down the depth chart
Savage - Wing/FB
HSS - Centre/wing, but played some FB in Jrs.
Timoko - Centre/prop (we laughed, but he was effective).

Depth
Kris - centre/edge (ok... we only saw less than 10mins, be I think we all see some potential there)
Hoppa - any of the back 5
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Hulking winger Nick Cotric set for return to Canberra Raiders within a week

Nick Cotric could rejoin the Canberra Raiders as early as next week as the final piece of a frantic pre-Christmas roster jigsaw that has also involved Parramatta and Canterbury. Salary cap officials at the NRL are expected to approve the deal on Monday or Tuesday, meaning Cotric could rejoin his old teammates by next weekend.

As a minimum he would sign a two-year deal to rejoin the Raiders, with the Bulldogs set to foot some of his salary in 2022 and 2023. But the Raiders are already thinking beyond the next two seasons.

Read more: https://www.canberratimes.com.au/story/ ... /?cs=14239

Nick Cotric on the verge of Dogs exit after Eels sign Bailey Simonsson and Josh Hodgson: https://7news.com.au/sport/rugby-league ... -c-4891270
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Welcome back Nic.
All is forgiven.
Now, regain that rep player form.
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Welcome home, you will now play Origin again and we once again are spoilt for riches in the backline.
1. CNK
2. Cotric
3. HSS
4. Timoko
5. Rapana

Savage, Croker and kris miss out for now pending injuries. EDIT
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jimmy82 wrote: December 10, 2021, 6:58 pm Welcome home, you will now play Origin again and we once again are spoilt for riches in the backline.
1. CNK
2. Cotric
3. HSS
4. Timoko
5. Rapana

Savage, Croker and kris miss out for now pending injuries. EDIT
The good thing is, Semi is at least winger #5, could be #7 - Rapa, Cotric, Savage (CNK), HSS, Semi/Anderson/Hoppa.
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Done deal. Awesome!
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I think it was Botman (apologies if not) who said they'd love to know what the chip in for Bailey is and what we have to foot for Nick coming back. I am in the same boat, really want to know. If the total of both is under $500K that is probably a win for us. If it is closer to $450K then we are laughing.
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I've got as my back 5
Savage
Cotric
Tomoko
CNK
Rapa

On the bench Ive got either HSS or Kris
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Wiki Special wrote: December 10, 2021, 8:35 pm I think it was Botman (apologies if not) who said they'd love to know what the chip in for Bailey is and what we have to foot for Nick coming back. I am in the same boat, really want to know. If the total of both is under $500K that is probably a win for us. If it is closer to $450K then we are laughing.
It totally makes or breaks what i think of this move...
And it ultimately matters not one iota what freight the dogs are paying on Cotric or what we're paying on Simo in a vacuum, this is a duel transaction, and it has to be judged as such.
We dont get that info

This comes down to this, it's a single positon and single roster spot... when all the outs and ins are taken into account, what is the TRUE cost of Cotric?

If it's ultimately 450k, that's just fine, not a good or bad deal, but it's fair IMO, and im happy to have him back. And anything less is a gets to start looking like a pretty good deal for us.
If it's more than 450k, then we've paid too much imo.
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We've almost certainly paid too much on that basis. Cotric is a $450k player at best at present. The Bulldogs were reputedly only willing to pay $150k freight to return Cotric to the Raiders on a $650k contract. Now we're told that the Raiders are paying freight on Simonsson's move to the Eels "to create space for Cotric" (not sure why all the other players offloaded, including Scott, Williams and a number of forwards didn't already do this?). The Raiders paying any freight on Simonsson must make the deal marginal at best on the Botman criteria. If the public numbers hang together, what it suggests is... the Raiders made a miscalculation on Simonsson's contract, and his deal was over market. Which is the point I've been making since yesterday.
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