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Andymachine wrote:I kind of agree with Billy but am probably just a bit less extreme/ruthless about it.

Croker has been a great servant to the club... yes, and the club has also been a great servant to Jarrod Croker. He's played here for a lot of years, had a hell of a career, been paid handsomely (probably too handsomely for much of it). The club has shown a tonne of loyalty to him as evidenced by his current contract and the fact that he's been given the left centre spot and the kicking duties ever since he established himself as an 18 year old. A lot of people including Gus Gould and including myself have always thought Wighton should have been a gun left centre but while Croker has been here that spot was never available for him. Does anyone believe that Croker is a better left centre than Wighton? The NSW Blues don't. When his goalkicking has had the yips for some quite extended periods and we arguably had a better kicker in the team (Sezer), those duties were never taken away from him. So he's always been our left centre and he's always been our goalkicker through thick and thin for 12 years. The club doesn't owe him any more loyalty than what's already been given.

He's been a solid player for the most part but one who has always divided the fanbase over his level of performance. He's never been a gun player like a Papalii who every Raiders fan loves. There's always been a segment of the fans who haven't rated him and they're not crazy for it. He's just never been a difference maker. When the team goes well he has contributed, scored tries, kicked his goals etc. When the team has been poor, he's never been the guy who can bring the game back our way the way Dugan, Fergo or Campo could, the way Jack did in the grand final or Papa did to get us to the GF. Like Cameron Smith he's had an amazing run with (lack of) injuries across a long time but that's come to an end, the game has passed him and I don't feel sorry for him because he's in a blessed position as a professional athlete and has had an amazing career. He has fame, fortune and is set up for life because of that career and the Canberra Raiders. It's just time for that career to end.
that's a fair post, nothing like billy's posts.

I don't think you'll find many people claiming world best player, what you'll find is people able to say in a 12yr career he's been a more than capable nrl player with a pretty damn good highlights reel and a swag of records. There were seasons where if you didn't escort him he'd take the cross kicks and grubbers to score more times than not, some memorable tries where you wouldn't expect him to get the ball down.
Yes the last 2 seasons have fallen away as his body has let him down.
It shouldn't be too far fetched to show some respect.

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I do wonder about the suggestion Croker's not been a "difference maker". He's won us a lot of games simply because of his very good goal kicking. 133 tries probably made a difference. He's not a half or spine player... so he's not running the plays, centres don't often pull out the "clutch plays".
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Old School Green wrote: With this whole scenario now playing out, I’d suggest it’s more of a ticking the boxes on a medical retirement checklist to be honest.
My initial thought too


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I really hate to boil things down like this, but Jarrod Croker has made several million dollars playing football for the Canberra Raiders.

The club doesn't owe him anything, he's been handsomely paid. And if he wants he's probably got another 1.5m coming his way over the remains of his next three years.
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greeneyed wrote: September 8, 2021, 11:44 am I do wonder about the suggestion Croker's not been a "difference maker". He's won us a lot of games simply because of his very good goal kicking. 133 tries probably made a difference. He's not a half or spine player... so he's not running the plays, centres don't often pull out the "clutch plays".
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Billy Walker wrote:
greeneyed wrote: September 8, 2021, 11:44 am I do wonder about the suggestion Croker's not been a "difference maker". He's won us a lot of games simply because of his very good goal kicking. 133 tries probably made a difference. He's not a half or spine player... so he's not running the plays, centres don't often pull out the "clutch plays".
Mal Meninga says hi and asks whether you watched this years State of Origin series….
so now despite all and sundry not claiming him as a top tier rep player you want to compare to latrell and turbo

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bonehead wrote: September 8, 2021, 12:07 pm
Billy Walker wrote:
greeneyed wrote: September 8, 2021, 11:44 am I do wonder about the suggestion Croker's not been a "difference maker". He's won us a lot of games simply because of his very good goal kicking. 133 tries probably made a difference. He's not a half or spine player... so he's not running the plays, centres don't often pull out the "clutch plays".
Mal Meninga says hi and asks whether you watched this years State of Origin series….
so now despite all and sundry not claiming him as a top tier rep player you want to compare to latrell and turbo

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GE I think you just made my argument. You defended Crokers not being a game breaker by saying centre’s don’t make clutch plays. I listed you a few examples and you reply “yeah but they are good centres”. So we agree Croker is a mediocre centre that hasn’t been a match winner as his win loss record shows. I knew we’d get there.
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I said centres are generally not the play makers, producing clutch plays. Not many centres do, but Croker has certainly not only made a difference, but been the difference, in many victories for the club.

I’ve never said Jarrod Croker is an equivalent player to Mal Meninga. That would be clearly incorrect. I don’t know of any centre who comes close to Mal Meninga. In this year’s Origin series, NSW selected two fullbacks at centre and produced spectacular results, in the era of Vlandysball. But they weren’t really operating as centres. They were extra fullbacks. I can’t recall it happening before.

There’s no excuse for denigrating Jarrod Croker in the way you do. For the very good reasons a host of posters have put forward today.
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Timbo wrote: September 8, 2021, 11:54 am I really hate to boil things down like this, but Jarrod Croker has made several million dollars playing football for the Canberra Raiders.

The club doesn't owe him anything, he's been handsomely paid. And if he wants he's probably got another 1.5m coming his way over the remains of his next three years.
Actually the club does owe him quite a lot... 3 years of employment for 1m+, as per a contractual agreement.
So yeah, we actually do owe him quite a lot.

Now that doesn't mean he should play FG. We shouldn't be handing out lollipops here. If he's good enough to get into the team and get to 300 games or more, then great, we can celebrate a wonderful achievement. If not, that's unfortunately how life sometimes goes in pro sports.

Quite simply i don't believe his body is up for playing NRL football any longer, but the narrative sprouted around his career by a vocal minority of idiots, and that's precisely what they are, idiots, is beyond ridiculous.
You don't luck into 290 games of FG football. You don't luck into 130+ tries and being the third highest point scorer in league history.
You have to be a damn good football player for a very long time to do those things, and just because a player may never have quite risen to a standard of representative football, or that he hasn't won a premiership, doesn't diminish those achievements or some how invalidate them. The idea that it does would never come from anyone who's achieved anything in the athletic world, that sort of hot trash take can only come from one place - the beer bum on the couch who not only never was, but never even had a chance :lol:

Was Croker ever a superstar, representative level footballer?
No.

Was Croker a flawed player who had some limitations defensively?
Yeah, he was. Some dudes he just didn't handle well at all, and that's probably why he was never able to make the leap to the next level.

Was Croker, for the VAST majority of his career an excellent club level NRL footballer who positively contributed to his football's team?
Of course he was. You simply cannot achieve in the game what he has unless you are at least this level of player, and if people cant even concede that, then i think that speaks volumes about them.
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If you google positive contribution you find a definition that involves one making a contribution to something to help make it successful.

Did I miss the club’s success that Croker has contributed to?
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Botman wrote: September 8, 2021, 12:26 pm
Timbo wrote: September 8, 2021, 11:54 am I really hate to boil things down like this, but Jarrod Croker has made several million dollars playing football for the Canberra Raiders.

The club doesn't owe him anything, he's been handsomely paid. And if he wants he's probably got another 1.5m coming his way over the remains of his next three years.
Actually the club does owe him quite a lot... 3 years of employment for 1m+, as per a contractual agreement.
So yeah, we actually do owe him quite a lot.

Read my post again. I literally say he still has 1.5m coming his way over the next few years.
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You also said they don't owe him anything. So i dunno, make up your mind :lol:
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If we keep extending Ricky’s coaching contract a day will come when he gets the record for most Raiders games coached. If he eats healthy, watches his blood pressure and works into his old age, who knows he might nudge some all time NRL records. Would that be a measure of success we would hold with pride? To expand on Botman rationale I’d say even less folks become NRL coaches than NRL players so clearly the guy is exceptional in his field before he starts.

So why is it that we hold Ricky to a different measure of success as coach than we do Jarrod as captain? You don’t need to look far through this forum to find any number of posts lamenting what Ricky has done to the club, how he destroys halves and doesn’t know how to rotate a bench.

Nobody jumps to his defence and demands that he be respected regardless of his win loss record lack of achievement or anything else. People are happy for views to be shared about whether Ricky has been good for the club and is the right man going forward.

But Jarrod - well you can’t say bad things about Jarrod. He has played heaps and kicked goals and stuff. To question Jarrod would make you a troll and make you a free target for abuse.

The lack of logic and cringeworthy fanboyism is truly comical.
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Billy Walker wrote: September 8, 2021, 12:44 pm If you google positive contribution you find a definition that involves one making a contribution to something to help make it successful.

Did I miss the club’s success that Croker has contributed to?
No, what you missed is that success isn't rigidly defined in sport, or any field as simply having to achieve highest goal. You don't just have one aim, one goal that you're looking to achieve.
It's such a dumb, narrow and rigid place to be that success in RL is defined only as having won a NRL premiership.
Colour me unsurprised this is come from you.

Success is the accomplishment of an aim or purpose, and yes the ultimate aim and purpose is a premiership but teams and athletes and organisations have many different aims and goals and purposes. A team's goals and aims can also differ depending on where they sit in a contender/rebuilding process. When Stuart first took this club over, it was in need of a rebuild, the goal and aims at the start of that process were different to what they were in 2019-20-21.

Jarrod Croker has had his share of failures, as has the club in his time.
But they've also had many great successes, in fact it has been the most successful period in Raiders football since the mid 90's, and Jarrod Croker has contributed to that success.
And the fact they may never have reached the highest peak of the mountain and achieved the top goal, does invalidate the other successes they've had along the way, no matter how many times some dumb **** on the internet says it does.
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I hope the offseason isn't as long and meandering as some of these posts

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Billy Walker wrote: September 8, 2021, 1:28 pm If we keep extending Ricky’s coaching contract a day will come when he gets the record for most Raiders games coached. If he eats healthy, watches his blood pressure and works into his old age, who knows he might nudge some all time NRL records. Would that be a measure of success we would hold with pride? To expand on Botman rationale I’d say even less folks become NRL coaches than NRL players so clearly the guy is exceptional in his field before he starts.

So why is it that we hold Ricky to a different measure of success as coach than we do Jarrod as captain? You don’t need to look far through this forum to find any number of posts lamenting what Ricky has done to the club, how he destroys halves and doesn’t know how to rotate a bench.

Nobody jumps to his defence and demands that he be respected regardless of his win loss record lack of achievement or anything else. People are happy for views to be shared about whether Ricky has been good for the club and is the right man going forward.

But Jarrod - well you can’t say bad things about Jarrod. He has played heaps and kicked goals and stuff. To question Jarrod would make you a troll and make you a free target for abuse.

The lack of logic and cringeworthy fanboyism is truly comical.
We dont hold Stuart to a higher standard
The difference your missing is people who are critcal of Stuart and his future don't try to re-write history and invalidate what he has done for the club in the past. We all acknowledge his contributions to the club, to not do so would be utterly absurd. No one pretends he's not done many good things for the club.

What you are doing is trying to re-wriote history to invalidate what Croker has done for this club in the past, you refuse to acknowledge any contribution he's made to the successes we have had, and are pretending as if he's not done anything good for the club.
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Well I’m feeling a lot more positive about 2022 now that Bot has suggested that we all view success through a broader lens. We might not make the 8 with the squad we have but perhaps sausage roll sales will be up or something. Must suck to be a Melbourne supporter with such a narrow view about premierships equaling success. Silly them hey!
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Botman wrote: September 8, 2021, 2:02 pm
Billy Walker wrote: September 8, 2021, 1:28 pm If we keep extending Ricky’s coaching contract a day will come when he gets the record for most Raiders games coached. If he eats healthy, watches his blood pressure and works into his old age, who knows he might nudge some all time NRL records. Would that be a measure of success we would hold with pride? To expand on Botman rationale I’d say even less folks become NRL coaches than NRL players so clearly the guy is exceptional in his field before he starts.

So why is it that we hold Ricky to a different measure of success as coach than we do Jarrod as captain? You don’t need to look far through this forum to find any number of posts lamenting what Ricky has done to the club, how he destroys halves and doesn’t know how to rotate a bench.

Nobody jumps to his defence and demands that he be respected regardless of his win loss record lack of achievement or anything else. People are happy for views to be shared about whether Ricky has been good for the club and is the right man going forward.

But Jarrod - well you can’t say bad things about Jarrod. He has played heaps and kicked goals and stuff. To question Jarrod would make you a troll and make you a free target for abuse.

The lack of logic and cringeworthy fanboyism is truly comical.
We dont hold Stuart to a higher standard
The difference your missing is people who are critcal of Stuart and his future don't try to re-write history and invalidate what he has done for the club in the past. We all acknowledge his contributions to the club, to not do so would be utterly absurd. No one pretends he's not done many good things for the club.

What you are doing is trying to re-wriote history to invalidate what Croker has done for this club in the past, you refuse to acknowledge any contribution he's made to the successes we have had, and are pretending as if he's not done anything good for the club.
But you have just told me the club is enjoying the greatest levels of success it has enjoyed since the 90s. Surely these giddying heights of success can’t purely be attributed to Jarrod. Why are we not celebrating Ricky for steering us to this promised land?
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I stated a fact
This era has been the most successful in the NRL era
Stuart was widely praised and celebrated for that success when we were enjoying it

He got his dues, they were earned and given, and no one is trying to dismiss them now that things aren’t quite as rosy

I simply ask people do the same for Croker
Appreciate and acknowledge what he has achieved in his career and done for this club. You're allowed to do that whilst still accepting he is no longer a part of the club's future
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Yeah ok….
Botman wrote: August 20, 2021, 10:22 pm
Rickmando wrote: August 20, 2021, 10:13 pm Even just the amount of fish he hooked around this place when that suspiciously-timed doco dropped a few weeks back. Everyone was ready to put it all aside because the great man stared down the camera and told us all how much he “bleeds green”. He’s a salesman, and yes, we are stuck with him. He knows he’s at a club that will buy what he’s selling regardless of results
Mate, **** NO ONE was hooked by that thing. Literally the only remarks on that was on what a great PLAYER he was.
The only remarks about his coaching were about how he was trash in the areas he was great a player! haha

THE **** ARE YOU **** TALKING ABOUT?! :roflmao :roflmao
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I dont think that makes the point you think it does, im not even sure what point you're trying to make with that...
But then you've been lurching from one idiot point to the next all day, so no point stopping now i guess
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Billy Walker wrote: September 8, 2021, 10:48 am Put it another way, would you be happy if we went into season 2022 with a team of rookies all destined to achieve 300 games, none ever cracking serious rep teams or landing a premiership. All enjoying a career with more loses than wins but all great club men with wonderful longevity for the club. No thanks. Call me crazy but I like my sporting teams to be successful and I celebrate the players that bring success. I think you could easily make the argument that in one season John Bateman did more to turn the dial towards glory for this club than Jarrod has over a lengthy career.
I must have been watching different games to everyone else.

Because bateman was not the sole reason we got into the 2019 GF (that we lost) he was a part of the reason same as about 20 other blokes... I would put a fair few players ahead of bateman in 2019 as well.

Maybe Jarrod Croker wasn't as good as bateman for us in 2019 but he was still very very good.
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Hopoate saying he'd punch Barret in the face makes more sense than half this thread.

Why Croker who is on about $500k as a kicker and a club captain is being compared to $1m players is beyond me.

For me personally, if Croker's knee comes good and we can pop him on the wing he can fill that specialist role that the Halligans, El Masris etc did for the others. Did anyone ever demand those guys be the best outside backs in the comp? Of course not.
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nachopants wrote: September 8, 2021, 6:07 pm For me personally, if Croker's knee comes good and we can pop him on the wing he can fill that specialist role that the Halligans, El Masris etc did for the others. Did anyone ever demand those guys be the best outside backs in the comp? Of course not.
That was like 20+ years ago, the game has changed from when you could carry a guy on the wing to kick goals
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Andymachine wrote: September 8, 2021, 10:57 am I kind of agree with Billy but am probably just a bit less extreme/ruthless about it.

Croker has been a great servant to the club... yes, and the club has also been a great servant to Jarrod Croker. He's played here for a lot of years, had a hell of a career, been paid handsomely (probably too handsomely for much of it). The club has shown a tonne of loyalty to him as evidenced by his current contract and the fact that he's been given the left centre spot and the kicking duties ever since he established himself as an 18 year old. A lot of people including Gus Gould and including myself have always thought Wighton should have been a gun left centre but while Croker has been here that spot was never available for him. Does anyone believe that Croker is a better left centre than Wighton? The NSW Blues don't. When his goalkicking has had the yips for some quite extended periods and we arguably had a better kicker in the team (Sezer), those duties were never taken away from him. So he's always been our left centre and he's always been our goalkicker through thick and thin for 12 years. The club doesn't owe him any more loyalty than what's already been given.

He's been a solid player for the most part but one who has always divided the fanbase over his level of performance. He's never been a gun player like a Papalii who every Raiders fan loves. There's always been a segment of the fans who haven't rated him and they're not crazy for it. He's just never been a difference maker. When the team goes well he has contributed, scored tries, kicked his goals etc. When the team has been poor, he's never been the guy who can bring the game back our way the way Dugan, Fergo or Campo could, the way Jack did in the grand final or Papa did to get us to the GF. Like Cameron Smith he's had an amazing run with (lack of) injuries across a long time but that's come to an end, the game has passed him and I don't feel sorry for him because he's in a blessed position as a professional athlete and has had an amazing career. He has fame, fortune and is set up for life because of that career and the Canberra Raiders. It's just time for that career to end.
This is a perfectly reasonable stance. Far better explanation, and within reasonable tolerances. But I see Billy kept digging. Mate, dig up!
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Botman wrote: September 8, 2021, 2:52 pm I dont think that makes the point you think it does, im not even sure what point you're trying to make with that...
But then you've been lurching from one idiot point to the next all day, so no point stopping now i guess
I’ll summarise for you -

- I said I didn’t reckon Crokes was all he was cracked up to be.
- You sang his praises said the mere fact he has played 250+ games shows he is outstanding.
- I questioned if longevity was really our marker for success.
- You told me we were enjoying our most successful period since the 90’s thanks to JC.
- Noting your claim that premierships aren’t the only marker of success I questioned the double standard of why we laud Jarrod for leading us to these dizzy heights yet we happily heap stink on Ricky for our lack of success.
- You told me we all love Ricky.
- I stopped laughing and chose one of any number of posts to show you had your hand on it.

Since then a lot of others have acknowledged Jarrod has been a club level footballer and laughed that we would even dare compare him to good players like Mal, Turbo or Latrell….

Hmmmm 🤔
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Christ, im glad i got you to do that, it's another embarrassing chapter for you here.

Point 1 - i said the fact Croker has played 250+ games proves he's been an excellent club player. I was very clear in what he was and wasn't. You're the one implying he's never contributed positively to this football team. I've simply said you dont get to play that many first grade games out being good. You seem to infer that he's just lucked into this longevity. That's just not how pro sports work.

Point 2 - I never said our recent period of succeess was "thanks" to JC. Please try and do better to comprehend what is being said. I said we have had our most successful period in the NRL era, which is a fact, and it's a period of success that Croker has contributed positively too. I never ascribe any level responsible of that to Croker or anyone. Just that Croker contributed positively towards that. Something you flatly deny, which proves only what a true fool you are. Completely unable to concede even the most basic of fact.

Point 3 - Again, it's a straw man, based on the premise that somehow we are giving Croker the sole credit for our success, and Stuart none. That couldnt be further from the truth. Stuart was given the lions share of credit for the successes of 2018-20. Again, all that was said is Croker was also a contributor to that success. I havent stated what level of contribution he had, only a statement of fact that he had one.

Point 4 - I said we all gave Stuart credit where it was due at the time it was due. He got a TON of credit for our successes, and rightly so. Not that he was loved now. Again, you're flatly making up things. You should stop doing that, it makes you look really **** dumb.
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Bots you’re back peddling quicker than JC himself when Conrad used to run at him….
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Billy Walker wrote: September 8, 2021, 10:15 pm Bots you’re back peddling quicker than JC himself when Conrad used to run at him….
:lol: What? All i've done is point out the errors in your posts. Of which there are numerous.

The issue now is this... are you purposely misrepresenting what has been said because you think somehow that will help you dig your way out of this dumb ****? Or are you genuinely so dim that you cant actually comprehend what is being said... I guess my question to you is, which is it? Stupid or Liar?
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It's called gaslighting, right?
You may remember me from such forum usernames as hrundi99 and... hrundi99.
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The Afghan Army could've used Botman to defend Afghanistan the way he defends Croker and Teflon Don Jr tbh
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afgtnk wrote: September 9, 2021, 2:08 pm The Afghan Army could've used Botman to defend Afghanistan the way he defends Croker and Teflon Don Jr tbh
I too believe in Botmans debating competence.
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Are you guys calling Billy the Taliban?
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