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Andrew Barr opts against making vaccination compulsory to attend Canberra's stadiums
ACT Chief Minister Andrew Barr has effectively ruled out vaccination being a requirement of entry into Canberra's major sporting venues once society starts opening up again. Barr also said the cost of the coronavirus pandemic will push back a new Civic Stadium.
"We don't think, given the way our vaccination program is tracking, that we will need to create a two-tiered society. I hope will end up being 95 per cent-plus double dosed," Barr said.
Read more: https://www.canberratimes.com.au/story/ ... /?cs=14264
ACT Chief Minister Andrew Barr has effectively ruled out vaccination being a requirement of entry into Canberra's major sporting venues once society starts opening up again. Barr also said the cost of the coronavirus pandemic will push back a new Civic Stadium.
"We don't think, given the way our vaccination program is tracking, that we will need to create a two-tiered society. I hope will end up being 95 per cent-plus double dosed," Barr said.
Read more: https://www.canberratimes.com.au/story/ ... /?cs=14264
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He was never building the new civic stadium, COVID or not.
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Exactly. There'll be a new excuse every couple of years.Botman wrote: He was never building the new civic stadium, COVID or not.
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ACT might be 95% but will the surrounding suburbs? Queensland fans that visit?
Is the ACT going to expect all visitors to be vaccinated? It will be interesting to see how this actually goes
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Spot on Pig.Botman wrote: He was never building the new civic stadium, COVID or not.
Bring back Raidersfan who argued with me repeatedly when I raised that Barr would have one excuse after another for not building the Civic stadium. Raidersfan had it definitely being built by now.
As for the delays. First it was light Rail stage 1, then the hospital extension, then light Rail stage 2, now Coronavirus, next it will be the new Theatre or the Lonsdale st mega statue of Shane Rattenbury. .
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You forgot Mr Fluffy.
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Good point, and the upgrade to the public toilets at Kambah village.greeneyed wrote:You forgot Mr Fluffy.
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Don’t sweat it Cat - the way we finished 2021 and have signed old men to long term deals the crowds at Bruce will be very very well socially distanced I’m tipping!
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Whats your point?cat wrote:ACT might be 95% but will the surrounding suburbs? Queensland fans that visit?
Is the ACT going to expect all visitors to be vaccinated? It will be interesting to see how this actually goes
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She is worried about the more complacent states….
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WA doesn't have a league teamBilly Walker wrote:She is worried about the more complacent states….
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Legal minefield. As for a new stadium there’s a money problem, and a big one.
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Western Reds? WA is one of the safest states in the country - strongest economy, most freedoms. Everything NSW isn’t.Dr Zaius wrote: ↑September 18, 2021, 9:18 pmWA doesn't have a league teamBilly Walker wrote:She is worried about the more complacent states….
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Want to throw up any stats about cases and deaths Doc? - didn’t think so. Vacs are being directed to the basket case state that started the whole show
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Highest amount of ICU patients when the borders open
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I think McGowan has been very clear the WA border won’t open till the state is good and ready. I’m pretty sure WA will be on the right side of history on this one - NSW - FAIL!
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Good. If you aren't double-jabbed by the time the season rolls around again, you mustn't have wanted it and a happy to wear the consequences. Time to move on with life (once we hit 80+% double-jabbed).
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The thing I would like better explained is whether the unvaccinated only pose a risk to themselves or if they increase risk to others. I’d be a tad miffed if I had a child below the vax age that wound up with Rona from cheering on the raiders due to some selfish person that decided not to get jabbed.
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For some reason, it's not life-threatening to under-10s (0 deaths in Oz, from 10,000 cases), and not much worse for under-20s (one death, 20,000 cases). The experience of other countries seems to be that you can still get the virus while jabbed, but it's relatively mild, while the unjabbed dominate ICU. At some point we just have to accept there are risks in life and get on with it, IMO.Billy Walker wrote: ↑September 18, 2021, 10:18 pmThe thing I would like better explained is whether the unvaccinated only pose a risk to themselves or if they increase risk to others. I’d be a tad miffed if I had a child below the vax age that wound up with Rona from cheering on the raiders due to some selfish person that decided not to get jabbed.
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If the research says the risks they are taking will only impact them then I’ve go no problems with that. People choose to smoke, drink and whatever else. Hell if people don’t want to wear a seatbelt I reckon they should be allowed that foolish choice. But if that choice puts others at greater risk then that is a different story. I’d like this better explained because it will become an issue whether we are talking raiders games, family Christmas parties or work places. Dr Zaius - you got a view on this?Leebola wrote: ↑September 18, 2021, 10:32 pmFor some reason, it's not life-threatening to under-10s (0 deaths in Oz, from 10,000 cases), and not much worse for under-20s (one death, 20,000 cases). The experience of other countries seems to be that you can still get the virus while jabbed, but it's relatively mild, while the unjabbed dominate ICU. At some point we just have to accept there are risks in life and get on with it, IMO.Billy Walker wrote: ↑September 18, 2021, 10:18 pmThe thing I would like better explained is whether the unvaccinated only pose a risk to themselves or if they increase risk to others. I’d be a tad miffed if I had a child below the vax age that wound up with Rona from cheering on the raiders due to some selfish person that decided not to get jabbed.
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Well I'd always want to take my vaccination advice from pseudonyms on a forum...
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The pandemic is far from over. I wouldn't be taking any victory laps just yet, delta has a knack for making people look stupid.
Regardless the discussion was about vaccination, in which case WA are complacent.
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Against delta, the current vaccine is by no means perfect. It has something like a 30-40% efficacy against acquiring the virus. If you are vaccinated and get it, your viral load is initially similar to unvaccinated, but drops rapidly, meaning that you are less contagious. Thus, you are less likely to get it and less contagious, thus less likely to be a spreader. Can you still get it and pass it on? Yes.Billy Walker wrote:If the research says the risks they are taking will only impact them then I’ve go no problems with that. People choose to smoke, drink and whatever else. Hell if people don’t want to wear a seatbelt I reckon they should be allowed that foolish choice. But if that choice puts others at greater risk then that is a different story. I’d like this better explained because it will become an issue whether we are talking raiders games, family Christmas parties or work places. Dr Zaius - you got a view on this?Leebola wrote: ↑September 18, 2021, 10:32 pmFor some reason, it's not life-threatening to under-10s (0 deaths in Oz, from 10,000 cases), and not much worse for under-20s (one death, 20,000 cases). The experience of other countries seems to be that you can still get the virus while jabbed, but it's relatively mild, while the unjabbed dominate ICU. At some point we just have to accept there are risks in life and get on with it, IMO.Billy Walker wrote: ↑September 18, 2021, 10:18 pmThe thing I would like better explained is whether the unvaccinated only pose a risk to themselves or if they increase risk to others. I’d be a tad miffed if I had a child below the vax age that wound up with Rona from cheering on the raiders due to some selfish person that decided not to get jabbed.
That's one way to look at the impact of the unvaccinated on others. The other thing to consider is that the more people vaccinated, the less strain on the hospital system. If the virus spreads through a highly unvaccinated population hospitals and ICUs will fill up and there will be no beds for usual business. Once everyone has had the opportunity to be vaccinated, you can thank those who chose not to get vaccinated for you not getting your cancer surgery or next getting an ICU bed after your car accident.
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I suspect the vaccine’s efficacy against Delta has been understated. It seems the immunity from the vaccine wanes over time, which happened to be the same time Delta became dominant around the world where the studies were undertaken. Israel is reporting some very promising data from their booster campaign, suggesting the vaccine is back to 95% efficacy, against Delta - with no changes to the vaccine itself.Dr Zaius wrote: ↑September 19, 2021, 6:20 amAgainst delta, the current vaccine is by no means perfect. It has something like a 30-40% efficacy against acquiring the virus. If you are vaccinated and get it, your viral load is initially similar to unvaccinated, but drops rapidly, meaning that you are less contagious. Thus, you are less likely to get it and less contagious, thus less likely to be a spreader. Can you still get it and pass it on? Yes.Billy Walker wrote:If the research says the risks they are taking will only impact them then I’ve go no problems with that. People choose to smoke, drink and whatever else. Hell if people don’t want to wear a seatbelt I reckon they should be allowed that foolish choice. But if that choice puts others at greater risk then that is a different story. I’d like this better explained because it will become an issue whether we are talking raiders games, family Christmas parties or work places. Dr Zaius - you got a view on this?Leebola wrote: ↑September 18, 2021, 10:32 pmFor some reason, it's not life-threatening to under-10s (0 deaths in Oz, from 10,000 cases), and not much worse for under-20s (one death, 20,000 cases). The experience of other countries seems to be that you can still get the virus while jabbed, but it's relatively mild, while the unjabbed dominate ICU. At some point we just have to accept there are risks in life and get on with it, IMO.Billy Walker wrote: ↑September 18, 2021, 10:18 pmThe thing I would like better explained is whether the unvaccinated only pose a risk to themselves or if they increase risk to others. I’d be a tad miffed if I had a child below the vax age that wound up with Rona from cheering on the raiders due to some selfish person that decided not to get jabbed.
That's one way to look at the impact of the unvaccinated on others. The other thing to consider is that the more people vaccinated, the less strain on the hospital system. If the virus spreads through a highly unvaccinated population hospitals and ICUs will fill up and there will be no beds for usual business. Once everyone has had the opportunity to be vaccinated, you can thank those who chose not to get vaccinated for you not getting your cancer surgery or next getting an ICU bed after your car accident.
The personal freedom argument against vaccines doesn’t make sense when you consider the nature of a contagious disease. I have the right for you not to make me sick. Society should live by the silver rule - do not do to others what you do not want done to you. Not to mention the impact on hospitals as Dr. Zaius rightly pointed out. The argument falls totally apart when the same people go to Intensive Care and have every known and experimental drug pumped into them in an effort to stay alive.
Other than legitimate medical reasons, not being vaccinated makes you a selfish person.
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Yep and on that basis I think I’d prefer Mr Barr take a harder line stance on what the unvaccinated are able to do. I think policing any policies will be very difficult. Anyone who got in a nightclub and had a beer before the age of 18 can tell you no system is foolproof. But if people are making selfish choices that will impact others then yeah, I’m all for encouraging better choices. I guess there are analogies with smokers who also eventually clog up health systems, but they are also encouraged to choose better through soaring prices of ciggies etc.
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I think the burning desire from some politicians and most of society to put COVId in the rear view mirror and declare it all over is the problem. I’m not an expert, and I hope I’m very wrong here, but I think the world has changed and we need to adapt. Already we are reading about worse variants than delta - I suspect this thing will mutate and change for many moons. I found watching sport on TV without a crowd to almost be pointless at first but after time it becomes normal and you still appreciate the quality of game on display. I used to fly interstate for work weekly a couple of years back, but guess what, turns out you can work just as effectively without all that travel. I know there are a lot of people doing it very tough in lockdowns and the current situation isn’t sustainable long term. But I think we are very foolish if we think the answer is a return to the way everything once was. I think there are opportunities to shape what a more sustainable future looks like if only people could shift the burning focus on returning to what once was.Dr Zaius wrote: ↑September 19, 2021, 6:10 amThe pandemic is far from over. I wouldn't be taking any victory laps just yet, delta has a knack for making people look stupid.Billy Walker wrote:Want to throw up any stats about cases and deaths Doc? - didn’t think so. Vacs are being directed to the basket case state that started the whole show
Regardless the discussion was about vaccination, in which case WA are complacent.
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New $1million Grandstand at Manuka oval just in time for AFL next year. With GWS to host three games against Collingwood, Swans and Richmond all at the same time the Raiders are playing at that perfectly fine GIO stadium. Canberrans deserve more exposure to the AFL
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What does $1mil get you in the way of grandstands. I'm thinking some temporary scaffolded stand with a bit of shade cloth over the top.CrabLord wrote:New $1million Grandstand at Manuka oval just in time for AFL next year. With GWS to host three games against Collingwood, Swans and Richmond all at the same time the Raiders are playing at that perfectly fine GIO stadium. Canberrans deserve more exposure to the AFL
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You’re paying too much. Who’s your shade cloth guy?Dr Zaius wrote:What does $1mil get you in the way of grandstands. I'm thinking some temporary scaffolded stand with a bit of shade cloth over the top.CrabLord wrote:New $1million Grandstand at Manuka oval just in time for AFL next year. With GWS to host three games against Collingwood, Swans and Richmond all at the same time the Raiders are playing at that perfectly fine GIO stadium. Canberrans deserve more exposure to the AFL
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Can you sort me out?Fuifui Bradbrad wrote:You’re paying too much. Who’s your shade cloth guy?Dr Zaius wrote:What does $1mil get you in the way of grandstands. I'm thinking some temporary scaffolded stand with a bit of shade cloth over the top.CrabLord wrote:New $1million Grandstand at Manuka oval just in time for AFL next year. With GWS to host three games against Collingwood, Swans and Richmond all at the same time the Raiders are playing at that perfectly fine GIO stadium. Canberrans deserve more exposure to the AFL
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YESS, now Papa can play.greeneyed wrote: ↑September 18, 2021, 4:33 pm
Andrew Barr opts against making vaccination compulsory to attend Canberra's stadiums
ACT Chief Minister Andrew Barr has effectively ruled out vaccination being a requirement of entry into Canberra's major sporting venues once society starts opening up again.
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Finally, a sensible comment in this topic.Leebola wrote: ↑September 18, 2021, 10:32 pmFor some reason, it's not life-threatening to under-10s (0 deaths in Oz, from 10,000 cases), and not much worse for under-20s (one death, 20,000 cases). The experience of other countries seems to be that you can still get the virus while jabbed, but it's relatively mild, while the unjabbed dominate ICU. At some point we just have to accept there are risks in life and get on with it, IMO.Billy Walker wrote: ↑September 18, 2021, 10:18 pmThe thing I would like better explained is whether the unvaccinated only pose a risk to themselves or if they increase risk to others. I’d be a tad miffed if I had a child below the vax age that wound up with Rona from cheering on the raiders due to some selfish person that decided not to get jabbed.