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Who will win?

Raiders 13+
0
No votes
Raiders 1-12
1
3%
Draw
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Storm 1-12
2
7%
Storm 13+
27
90%
 
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Botman wrote: April 3, 2022, 10:22 am ill be at a friends wedding when this game is on, and ive never been more thrilled about missing a raiders game
The storm will absolutely belt us off the park based on form this year
Currently 38-0 over the Bulldogs. Oops, as I type Papenhuyzen gets his fourth try. 42 or 44-0. We will be flogged.
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President Clinton wrote: April 3, 2022, 11:43 am Does anyone know when Fogarty is due back?

Is it 14 weeks layoff or up to 14 weeks?
See the first post. We have the latest injury list there.
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Dusty wrote: April 3, 2022, 12:17 pm 1. Savage
2. Cotric
3. Timoko
4. Nicol-Klokstad
5. Rapana
6. Wighton
7. Schneider
8. Papalii
9. Treveleyan
10. Sutton
11. Young
12. CHN
13. Whitehead

14. Starling
15. Mooney
16. Tapine
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I like this side mostly, but based on form, Whitehead shouldn’t be there.
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greeneyed wrote: April 3, 2022, 5:38 pm
Botman wrote: April 3, 2022, 10:22 am ill be at a friends wedding when this game is on, and ive never been more thrilled about missing a raiders game
The storm will absolutely belt us off the park based on form this year
Currently 38-0 over the Bulldogs. Oops, as I type Papenhuyzen gets his fourth try. 42 or 44-0. We will be flogged.
I've never seen you so negative about the side. How do you think we can change things around this season?
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Hong Kong Raider wrote:
greeneyed wrote: April 3, 2022, 5:38 pm
Botman wrote: April 3, 2022, 10:22 am ill be at a friends wedding when this game is on, and ive never been more thrilled about missing a raiders game
The storm will absolutely belt us off the park based on form this year
Currently 38-0 over the Bulldogs. Oops, as I type Papenhuyzen gets his fourth try. 42 or 44-0. We will be flogged.
I've never seen you so negative about the side. How do you think we can change things around this season?
I gave a hint in Through green eyes last night. I have been a lot more negative about coaching and management of the club in the past. Record losing streaks under David Furner, the days of Matt Elliott, Neil Henry.


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Lesson learned: Hold the ball and kick to the corners

Canberra Raiders fullback Charnze Nicoll-Klokstad says that there are two key lessons learned from the loss to the Sea Eagles.

"We've got a really good side and another heavyweight team in the competition in the Melbourne Storm and we're going to have be a lot better than we were against them next week. We're going to review the game and we'll take the learnings out of it, but a lot of us already know what that is - finish our sets and kick them into corners."

Read more: https://www.canberratimes.com.au/story/ ... /?cs=14239

Brad Fittler calls for Canberra Raiders X-factor Xavier Savage

NSW Origin coach Brad Fittler wants the Canberra Raiders to add some X-factor for their trip to Wagga Wagga: Xavier Savage.

"I think Charnze Nicoll-Klokstad is not offering as much as he was a couple of years ago. I'd love to see the young bloke get an opportunity, Xavier Savage. They lost their halfback at the start of the year, they lost their hooker - so they've had some challenges already - and not just quite executing well enough."

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Its sad.. we got no hope against storm.

Watching the parra game tonight where they put 48 on st george just emphasised to me that we are not a top 8 side. We wouldnt have scored more than 2 tries against st george tonight.
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Team irrelevant. Don and the Losers need at least 40 points start
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greeneyed wrote: April 3, 2022, 7:31 pm
Hong Kong Raider wrote:
greeneyed wrote: April 3, 2022, 5:38 pm
Botman wrote: April 3, 2022, 10:22 am ill be at a friends wedding when this game is on, and ive never been more thrilled about missing a raiders game
The storm will absolutely belt us off the park based on form this year
Currently 38-0 over the Bulldogs. Oops, as I type Papenhuyzen gets his fourth try. 42 or 44-0. We will be flogged.
I've never seen you so negative about the side. How do you think we can change things around this season?
I gave a hint in Through green eyes last night. I have been a lot more negative about coaching and management of the club in the past. Record losing streaks under David Furner, the days of Matt Elliott, Neil Henry.


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I just read it. I agree with you we are not making enough metres through the forwards. We are last now for average metres gained. The bench is very weak this year, and Papa was down yesterday. In the past when we had Sutton on the bench we made more metres. Although he is a limited ball player and has an error or two, we will improve on our go forward when he plays. Although he gets a lot of criticism, I think Horse has largely been good this year, and his errors have come down. I think we lost the plot off the field even before the season started by signing Adam Elliott - I wasn't so much worried about his off the field behaviour but what impact he could have on the field. We like recruiting someone on the outer and cheap but Gould terminated him for a reason. I also didn't like the Frawley (and Sammy) resignings. Injuries happen to every club. Yesterday it was our leaders and experienced guys letting us down - Rapa, Whitehead, CNK and Papa. The right side defence has been disorganised and haphazard since the Cronulla game (think Teg Wilton's easy try). Our linespeed has always been slow and non-existent. We don't catch bombs on the full. You pay for that.

It really saddens me that in 2019, we were better or the equal to the Storm, and in 2020 better than Souths, Manly, and Parra. Those teams have overtaken us now. Watching Parra play tonight, it was like the Harlem Globetrotters. When we have the ball, we don't do enough and teams just mark up on Jack. Timoko has been a plus this year though.
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Storm 38-10
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If we have less than 80 points put on us cumulatively in the next 2 rounds I'll be surprised.
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Ricky stuffed up when he let sezer and bj go
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My liver won't survive the year if things don't change.

This week is a 'damned if you do, damned if you don't' as far as team selection goes. Not sure you really want to throw Savage, Trevilyan or Mooney out there against the Storm. It probably wouldn't be so bad if they'd played the preceding 4 rounds?

Our line speed and attitude in defence is awful and needs to improve otherwise we're a bottom 4 side. So much needs to improve.
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I'm kind of hoping I get Covid on about Thursday arvo
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nachopants wrote: April 3, 2022, 10:58 pm I'm kind of hoping I get Covid on about Thursday arvo
That doesn’t stop you watching television.
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The spiral of silence refers to the idea that when people fail to speak, the price of speaking rises. As the price to speak rises, still fewer speak out, which further causes the price to rise, so that fewer people yet will speak out, until a whole culture or nation is silenced. This is what happened in Germany.

If you do not speak, you are not being neutral, but are contributing to the success of the thing you refuse to name and condemn.
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greeneyed wrote: April 4, 2022, 1:08 am
nachopants wrote: April 3, 2022, 10:58 pm I'm kind of hoping I get Covid on about Thursday arvo
That doesn’t stop you watching television.

Yeah I was wondering how covid prevents someone from watching TV
The spiral of silence refers to the idea that when people fail to speak, the price of speaking rises. As the price to speak rises, still fewer speak out, which further causes the price to rise, so that fewer people yet will speak out, until a whole culture or nation is silenced. This is what happened in Germany.

If you do not speak, you are not being neutral, but are contributing to the success of the thing you refuse to name and condemn.
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dubby wrote: April 4, 2022, 4:02 am
greeneyed wrote: April 4, 2022, 1:08 am
nachopants wrote: April 3, 2022, 10:58 pm I'm kind of hoping I get Covid on about Thursday arvo
That doesn’t stop you watching television.

Yeah I was wondering how covid prevents someone from watching TV
I hoping to be totally blind and deaf by Saturday.
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benda wrote: April 3, 2022, 8:08 pm Its sad.. we got no hope against storm.

Watching the parra game tonight where they put 48 on st george just emphasised to me that we are not a top 8 side. We wouldnt have scored more than 2 tries against st george tonight.
People laughed when I suggested at the end of last season that Parra will push for the title in 2022 way ahead of us.

I had them as a dark horse for the competition and seen nothing to change my mind. Their spine all over ours and they attack with purpose.
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A few things I wanted to raise:

* The “new attack” is definitely a work in progress, and I am confident with Crawley it will get better eventually. The team appears to be stuck in between at the moment, but with more expansive play, I feel as though we have started to take the cheap and easy option. We are a team that seems to hate going “set for set” - I know it’s a dirty word here, but we need to be able to both get into the grind, and play expansive when it is required. A few times on the weekend I was hoping Wighton or Schneider would put in a 4th tackle kick to a corner - when we don’t complete a few sets in a row, it’s a good circuit breaker. We just don’t look comfortable going back and forth and are going for the soft options.
* It is clear opposition teams have noted our lack of ball playing/quick hands and have started rushing out of the line to our playmakers. A few early kicks in behind, as well as a few inside drop off plays would put them in two minds (plus, if our players can execute, the old “harbour bridge” pass).
* Parramatta have had success against Melbourne when they play an extremely physical style through their forward pack. Arthur constantly refers to “chasing the collision” (to the point where it means little) but in games against the Storm, that’s a big thing. We need to be extremely physical with and without the ball. They used to have Cameron Smith’s smarts to get them out of territorial trouble. If we lose the territory battle, we will lose by 30+, but if we win it, we give ourselves a chance (they also can panic when losing territory).
* I think Treviliyan is a must. He is more than capable of punching out a quality 25 minutes. He has a good combination with Schneider and I feel he will get Papa and Tapine rolling forward much better than Frawley. You can’t sacrifice a quarter of the game the way we have been.
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Our forwards are not making enough yards or getting fast enough PTBs. This thwarts our attack and while our intent to play second phase is actually a good idea, it works better against a retreating, broken defensive line.

Adam Elliott does not seem strong enough to break the line or even push it back. His PTB speed at eye level is not particularly fast either. Ditto Guler. Young + CHN rely on footwork more than power to gain the advantage so we need the spine players to put them in holes or run at defensively weak players.

It's time for some changes. Sutton has to come in for Adam Elliott or Guler. I would like to see Trevilyn on the bench and bugger Frawley off.
The spiral of silence refers to the idea that when people fail to speak, the price of speaking rises. As the price to speak rises, still fewer speak out, which further causes the price to rise, so that fewer people yet will speak out, until a whole culture or nation is silenced. This is what happened in Germany.

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TongueFTW wrote: April 4, 2022, 8:45 am A few things I wanted to raise:

* The “new attack” is definitely a work in progress, and I am confident with Crawley it will get better eventually. The team appears to be stuck in between at the moment, but with more expansive play, I feel as though we have started to take the cheap and easy option. We are a team that seems to hate going “set for set” - I know it’s a dirty word here, but we need to be able to both get into the grind, and play expansive when it is required. A few times on the weekend I was hoping Wighton or Schneider would put in a 4th tackle kick to a corner - when we don’t complete a few sets in a row, it’s a good circuit breaker. We just don’t look comfortable going back and forth and are going for the soft options.
* It is clear opposition teams have noted our lack of ball playing/quick hands and have started rushing out of the line to our playmakers. A few early kicks in behind, as well as a few inside drop off plays would put them in two minds (plus, if our players can execute, the old “harbour bridge” pass).
* Parramatta have had success against Melbourne when they play an extremely physical style through their forward pack. Arthur constantly refers to “chasing the collision” (to the point where it means little) but in games against the Storm, that’s a big thing. We need to be extremely physical with and without the ball. They used to have Cameron Smith’s smarts to get them out of territorial trouble. If we lose the territory battle, we will lose by 30+, but if we win it, we give ourselves a chance (they also can panic when losing territory).
* I think Treviliyan is a must. He is more than capable of punching out a quality 25 minutes. He has a good combination with Schneider and I feel he will get Papa and Tapine rolling forward much better than Frawley. You can’t sacrifice a quarter of the game the way we have been.
Good post. Agree with all of that.

As for Wighton, I think he tends to panic play a bit hence his wayward kicking game at times. You are spot on re the offloads. The players are taking the cheap option, I hadn't thought of it like that. I thought it was just execution.
The spiral of silence refers to the idea that when people fail to speak, the price of speaking rises. As the price to speak rises, still fewer speak out, which further causes the price to rise, so that fewer people yet will speak out, until a whole culture or nation is silenced. This is what happened in Germany.

If you do not speak, you are not being neutral, but are contributing to the success of the thing you refuse to name and condemn.
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Our cohesion in attack can somewhat be explained by losing our starting hooker and half back early in the season but in general our attacking structures seem light years behind most other teams.

What I can’t forgive is our lack of enthusiasm and effort in defence. We regularly only get one or two into a tackle which results in quick play of the balls against us and often only one marker.

In attack we get monstered because instead of running hard at the line, trying to find the ground quickly and get a quick play of the ball we are always turning around and looking for an offload.

Line speed comes from winning the ruck in defence and we hardly ever seem to do that.

We don’t have the discipline to get into the arm wrestle and control the ball to build pressure.

It looks like we don’t have anyone out there with a footy brain at all!
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dubby wrote: April 4, 2022, 8:48 am Our forwards are not making enough yards or getting fast enough PTBs. This thwarts our attack and while our intent to play second phase is actually a good idea, it works better against a retreating, broken defensive line.

Adam Elliott does not seem strong enough to break the line or even push it back. His PTB speed at eye level is not particularly fast either. Ditto Guler. Young + CHN rely on footwork more than power to gain the advantage so we need the spine players to put them in holes or run at defensively weak players.

It's time for some changes. Sutton has to come in for Adam Elliott or Guler. I would like to see Trevilyn on the bench and bugger Frawley off.
It doesn't really matter how quickly the forwards play the ball. Starling either can't or won't pass off the ground and by the time he straightens to pass, the opposition are close to being in the next player's teeth.

On the plus side, he is nowhere near as bad at dummy half as Travis Waddell was (or Jack Wighton that one time on Saturday). Back then, I believed that Waddell was playing the wrong Rugby code and could have made a decent halfback. That's another story.

I can't recall whether Trevelyan also has this habit, but if he doesn't, then he should start. That would allow the forwards to actually hit closer to the advantage line and potentially make some metres at speed. Once Starling comes on in his place, he'll be facing tired opposition forwards who won't be up on our platers to the same degree as they were in the first 20 minutes.
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Botman wrote: April 3, 2022, 10:22 am ill be at a friends wedding when this game is on, and ive never been more thrilled about missing a raiders game
The storm will absolutely belt us off the park based on form this year
I am also at a friends wedding on Saturday, but I'm feeling absolutely betrayed - The ceremony goes from 1-2 and then the reception starts at 5.30.

So I'll be at the pub for the entire game and be forced to watch the entire ghastly affair.
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Timbo wrote: April 4, 2022, 12:51 pm
Botman wrote: April 3, 2022, 10:22 am ill be at a friends wedding when this game is on, and ive never been more thrilled about missing a raiders game
The storm will absolutely belt us off the park based on form this year
I am also at a friends wedding on Saturday, but I'm feeling absolutely betrayed - The ceremony goes from 1-2 and then the reception starts at 5.30.

So I'll be at the pub for the entire game and be forced to watch the entire ghastly affair.
What the heck is going on. I have a friend's wedding too :lol:
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Ol Gangers is on to something.... GE has set up a classic red wedding
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SSDD same **** different day.
Stuart will pick the exact same team as last week.
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Botman wrote: April 4, 2022, 3:22 pm Ol Gangers is on to something.... GE has set up a classic red wedding
Nah, if it was GE behind it there would be a lot more of us invited.
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