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With Frizell and Angus Crighton both available I'd like to hear us mentioned on those 2 at least. We're stacked for middlesand there's 2 gun edge players, also heard Hetherington is being looked at as an edge.

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I think Frizzell is one of the more overrated players in the comp. Plus a ball hog, similar to Gallen.
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We should be looking at a few of these young Panthers players some maybe waiting a while to get a start
I’ve been saying for a while, if they’ve eaten at Big Chief or gone out to the Fiddler, they should be automatic consideration.
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gergreg wrote: June 1, 2022, 7:40 am I think Frizzell is one of the more overrated players in the comp. Plus a ball hog, similar to Gallen.
Agree with the first sentence. Hasn't done much in the last 3 years and his stats don't match his salary.
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Yeah i'd take a big pass on Frizzel, very over-rated at this point and would not be worth the money, also he's 30. I dont want to be investing big money for 30 year olds

Crighton has had a couple of down years where he hasnt quite been the superstar he is paid like, but he's still been a very good edge footballer, and he's still only 26. I think he's a guy you could take a punt on and with a change of scenery, new situation, i could easily see him getting back to being one of the best edge forwards in the game. I dont think we're much of hope of getting him though, i expect his market will be fairly strong from other sydney based clubs
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Botman wrote: June 1, 2022, 8:20 am Yeah i'd take a big pass on Frizzel, very over-rated at this point and would not be worth the money, also he's 30. I dont want to be investing big money for 30 year olds

Crighton has had a couple of down years where he hasnt quite been the superstar he is paid like, but he's still been a very good edge footballer, and he's still only 26. I think he's a guy you could take a punt on and with a change of scenery, new situation, i could easily see him getting back to being one of the best edge forwards in the game. I dont think we're much of hope of getting him though, i expect his market will be fairly strong from other sydney based clubs
Agree 100 on Frizell.

Angus Crichton strikes me as lazy. He might turn it around here for the first season the way players like Costigan and Bronson did but I can't see a good ROI on a 3-year deal. One of those things though- if we had a punchers chance of landing him it's probably worth the gamble.
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Seiffert82 wrote: May 28, 2022, 10:08 pm Yeah, if a club wants to move a contracted player on they are usually obligated to pay part of their salary under the club's cap for the remainder of the original contract.

Similarly, if a player agitates to break a contract to move on to another club I don't see why the gaining club shouldn't be obligated to compensate the losing club with a corresponding cap adjustment. As suggested, 20-25% of the original contract value might be fair.

Might stop some of this nonsense, particularly for very well paid players.

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Completely agree with this. Just watching NRL360 and the discussion on Haas. I'm sick of players who have signed deals (good deals - like Haas for $800,000) wanting to get out of contracts for more money or to play for a better club. An uplift of 20-25% of the original contract deters clubs like Roosters to clear their books to sign players like Haas, and if Haas does not have that avenue then he's not going to agitate to get out of his contract. I don't think that's a restraint of trade but I would argue that clubs that clear salary cap space and negotiate with players under contract are committing tortious interference with contracts / procuring a breach of contract.

I also think third party deals are inequitable for the competition.
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My thoughts on Frizell have changed over the years. He's a very good, tough second rower at this point. But I think we've witnessed big time over the past 5 years that edge forward is a young mans position. Many of the bigger edge forwards have become middles. While those who've stayed on the edge at back end of careers have been considerably down in performance imo.... Kaufusi, Proctor, Graham, Whitehead are a few obvious examples.

That being said I think bringing in a hard nosed leader like Frizell would probably be a good thing for the mindset of Canberra. Paul Kent made a point earlier in the year that he can't get around Canberra because when the going gets tough they look for a miracle play....a forced miracle offload, a one on one strip or a short kick off. I tend to agree with this and think players who will lead the way through toughness and hard work may be a good way to go. Especially having looked at off contract backrowers and that's a pretty barren wasteland as it stands imo.

You'd need the wiggle room of Crokers $$$ and some dice rolls on young players to bring in on lower contracts to make it work cap wise though.
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julian87 wrote: June 1, 2022, 9:48 am My thoughts on Frizell have changed over the years. He's a very good, tough second rower at this point. But I think we've witnessed big time over the past 5 years that edge forward is a young mans position. Many of the bigger edge forwards have become middles. While those who've stayed on the edge at back end of careers have been considerably down in performance imo.... Kaufusi, Proctor, Graham, Whitehead are a few obvious examples.

That being said I think bringing in a hard nosed leader like Frizell would probably be a good thing for the mindset of Canberra. Paul Kent made a point earlier in the year that he can't get around Canberra because when the going gets tough they look for a miracle play....a forced miracle offload, a one on one strip or a short kick off. I tend to agree with this and think players who will lead the way through toughness and hard work may be a good way to go. Especially having looked at off contract backrowers and that's a pretty barren wasteland as it stands imo.

You'd need the wiggle room of Crokers $$$ and some dice rolls on young players to bring in on lower contracts to make it work cap wise though.
I'm a bit divided on Croker. First, he's not given us much output in the last two years when he's been on a good salary and we could have used that cap money to better effect. This year was through no fault of his own and it was an unfortunate shoulder injury. Last year he was hampered by his knee and he didn't play at FG level when he actually played. But we played poorly and lost badly in games without him being in the side so cannot blame him for the poor state of the team. I'd argue Whitehead's form was far worse - AND we still extended him. Second, the club shouldn't pay a centre that much - regardless of his pointscoring / history with the club. Broncos got into a mess with Darius Boyd - Bennett said he should finish his career at the Broncos, and was clearly in decline and not FG standard BUT still paid him in excess of $800,000. Third, we really need a solution that is good for all parties going forward, that respects Croker but also reflects his likely output for us for the duration of his contract options. I hope he gets to 300 this year and there's a solution at the end of the year.
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Hong Kong Raider wrote: June 1, 2022, 10:05 am
julian87 wrote: June 1, 2022, 9:48 am My thoughts on Frizell have changed over the years. He's a very good, tough second rower at this point. But I think we've witnessed big time over the past 5 years that edge forward is a young mans position. Many of the bigger edge forwards have become middles. While those who've stayed on the edge at back end of careers have been considerably down in performance imo.... Kaufusi, Proctor, Graham, Whitehead are a few obvious examples.

That being said I think bringing in a hard nosed leader like Frizell would probably be a good thing for the mindset of Canberra. Paul Kent made a point earlier in the year that he can't get around Canberra because when the going gets tough they look for a miracle play....a forced miracle offload, a one on one strip or a short kick off. I tend to agree with this and think players who will lead the way through toughness and hard work may be a good way to go. Especially having looked at off contract backrowers and that's a pretty barren wasteland as it stands imo.

You'd need the wiggle room of Crokers $$$ and some dice rolls on young players to bring in on lower contracts to make it work cap wise though.
I'm a bit divided on Croker. First, he's not given us much output in the last two years when he's been on a good salary and we could have used that cap money to better effect. This year was through no fault of his own and it was an unfortunate shoulder injury. Last year he was hampered by his knee and he didn't play at FG level when he actually played. But we played poorly and lost badly in games without him being in the side so cannot blame him for the poor state of the team. I'd argue Whitehead's form was far worse - AND we still extended him. Second, the club shouldn't pay a centre that much - regardless of his pointscoring / history with the club. Broncos got into a mess with Darius Boyd - Bennett said he should finish his career at the Broncos, and was clearly in decline and not FG standard BUT still paid him in excess of $800,000. Third, we really need a solution that is good for all parties going forward, that respects Croker but also reflects his likely output for us for the duration of his contract options. I hope he gets to 300 this year and there's a solution at the end of the year.
I can't see him being back by round 15 or 16. He's already written off for the season isn't he?
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And also this is a drum I've been banging for quite some time. Frawley is a decent back up, but the squad needs more versatility.

A half with utility really needs to replace Williams/Frawley or even one in for both. A Salmon/Lam/Keighran type player that can be a back up half but also fill a hole if required on the bench or somewhere other than the halves. This type of signing provably won't make you a stronger team at full strength. But you don't go through a season at full strength. There are probably better options but those names are just an example of the style of player the current squad lacks imo.

3 rigid back up halves just puts unnecessary shackles around a salary cap/squad.
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Adam Keighran can play anywhere from centre to hooker. He's not going to give you any highlights or develop into something more though. Just a solid squad backup.
I'd favour Salmon or Lam over him just because they can produce on the odd occasion rather than steer.
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bonehead wrote:With Frizell and Angus Crighton both available I'd like to hear us mentioned on those 2 at least. We're stacked for middlesand there's 2 gun edge players, also heard Hetherington is being looked at as an edge.

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I'd be quite happy playing Hetherington back in the second row.

Young and Hetherington. Two crazy eyed second rowers. What could possibly go wrong!

Can't see a great deal of value paying either Frizell or Crichton premium money to play in those roles. Not sure our cap would allow it.



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Turpin free to negotiate with other clubs but I reckon I'd rather see what we have with Woolford and Trevelyan

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Dufty back on our radar
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radicalraider wrote:Dufty back on our radar
God I hope not


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Sid wrote:Turpin free to negotiate with other clubs but I reckon I'd rather see what we have with Woolford and Trevelyan

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Thanks, but very much no thanks on Turpin... he actually sucks a little bit, i've liked what i've seen out of both Woolford and Trev
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radicalraider wrote: June 1, 2022, 8:41 pm Dufty back on our radar
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Only way Crichton is coming to Canberra is if he is going to suit up for the Brumbies.

Informed by nothing other than he strikes me as an out and out Sydneysider.
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denissnowy wrote: June 1, 2022, 10:26 pm Only way Crichton is coming to Canberra is if he is going to suit up for the Brumbies.

Informed by nothing other than he strikes me as an out and out Sydneysider.
I concur. I saw an article saying the ARU are ready to raid the NRL for talent again leading up the the RUWC and aside from thinking "oh, we're doing this again! Good luck" but Crichton felt like a realstic target for a dying code looking for a last chance saloon
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radicalraider wrote:Dufty back on our radar
Sounds unlikely. Savage is basically the same player.

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Raidernation wrote: This can and does happen. The club can request the gaining club provide payment for the player, they can request the club provide a player in return otherwise they can wait until the end of the players contract. These types of situations should be self regulated to allow clubs the greatest opportunity to be provided with fair compensation not additional regulation. If clubs cant handle their own affairs to their benefit than that's on them. We should be promoting clubs moving for undervalued players, we should be promoting players being paid market values as it helps level the playing field. We have benefited from Tapine and Perhaps Fogarty in this situation, hodgeson and bateman also was agreed with clubs whilst on contract. I dont agree with arbitrary regulation because clubs cant do their jobs.
Clubs can request all they want. Reality is the player can just be a massively disruptive pain and the club doesn’t really have the bargaining power to hold out.

This is exactly the kind of thing where regulation like a minimum 20% penalty paid on a player breaking contract is good regulation to drive the behaviour in the market that is overall beneficial. Which I know you “the market is always right” types hate.
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radicalraider wrote: June 1, 2022, 8:41 pm Dufty back on our radar
I thought it was a done deal with Warrington.
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radicalraider wrote:Dufty back on our radar
No chance.

He kind of made some sense last year at the height of V’Landy’s ball.

He’s done nothing this year to enhance his reputation.

ESL or bust for him.
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Seiffert82 wrote: June 2, 2022, 5:51 am
radicalraider wrote:Dufty back on our radar
Sounds unlikely. Savage is basically the same player.

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Oof, that's harsh. I'm not sold on Savage, but Dufty has been next-level bad this year
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gangrenous wrote: June 2, 2022, 5:59 am
Raidernation wrote: This can and does happen. The club can request the gaining club provide payment for the player, they can request the club provide a player in return otherwise they can wait until the end of the players contract. These types of situations should be self regulated to allow clubs the greatest opportunity to be provided with fair compensation not additional regulation. If clubs cant handle their own affairs to their benefit than that's on them. We should be promoting clubs moving for undervalued players, we should be promoting players being paid market values as it helps level the playing field. We have benefited from Tapine and Perhaps Fogarty in this situation, hodgeson and bateman also was agreed with clubs whilst on contract. I dont agree with arbitrary regulation because clubs cant do their jobs.
Clubs can request all they want. Reality is the player can just be a massively disruptive pain and the club doesn’t really have the bargaining power to hold out.

This is exactly the kind of thing where regulation like a minimum 20% penalty paid on a player breaking contract is good regulation to drive the behaviour in the market that is overall beneficial. Which I know you “the market is always right” types hate.
It's more you have a contract so use it. If for example Fogarty did get 550k a year from say 250k why couldn't the titans say look, you can leave if Canberra pay us 200k for the last year remaining on the contract. Fogs gets an additional 100k for the year left plus an additional 2 year contact at 550k and titans get 200k. Maybe tians playhard ball and ask for the full 300k difference. My point is the contract allows for negotiated settlements if clubs decide to negotiate. If clubs decide not to negotiate than it's up to them, every situation is different.

Now I might be complicating things but I'll add that I would be happy to see a waiver introduced where a player can be waived their contract sum on the salary cap in their final year, 1 per club, meaning they get paid by the club, waived on the salary cap and cannot play for the first team if waived. Opens up options for clubs whilst having players think twice before playing contract games in their final year giving clubs back some leverage, also gives clubs options if a player gets a season long injury i.e. Hodgo.
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So with the Eels re-signing Mitch Rein are we thinking they are going to drop Hodgson? If they did would we want him back? I wouldn't mind him at lock if we got him on the cheap.

Also of note the Eels fans seem convinced they will sign Woolford for next year now too because his dad has a role with them... Seems they want an entire team of hookers?
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Ultima wrote:So with the Eels re-signing Mitch Rein are we thinking they are going to drop Hodgson? If they did would we want him back? I wouldn't mind him at lock if we got him on the cheap.

Also of note the Eels fans seem convinced they will sign Woolford for next year now too because his dad has a role with them... Seems they want an entire team of hookers?
no I think his body is done at the price

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Hodgson is not a lock, repeat not a lock. He can't defend effectively in the middle in contact or laterally- he does his best but he heither goes high and gets bumped off them big men/carried for a 15m ride or the mobile guys just scoot around him. And that was before his 3rd knee reco. He'd also effectively lower the average mobility of our pack. And add a second small man target alongside Starling (who at least has a beautiful tackling technique and gives as good as he gets).

He can make a dart if there's a gap but he can't barge a tough run and he's not really a nimble slide between and poke through guy either. I don't see any value in Hodgo as a lock these days.
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Ultima wrote: June 3, 2022, 4:59 am So with the Eels re-signing Mitch Rein are we thinking they are going to drop Hodgson? If they did would we want him back? I wouldn't mind him at lock if we got him on the cheap.

Also of note the Eels fans seem convinced they will sign Woolford for next year now too because his dad has a role with them... Seems they want an entire team of hookers?
Has Rein played a FG game all year? :?
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2 off the interchange for less than 20mins. Any idea he'll be their first choice hooker bar significant injury would be news to them.
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Finchy wrote:
Seiffert82 wrote: June 2, 2022, 5:51 am
radicalraider wrote:Dufty back on our radar
Sounds unlikely. Savage is basically the same player.

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Oof, that's harsh. I'm not sold on Savage, but Dufty has been next-level bad this year
Yeah, not talking about this year's form specifically. Hopefully Savage turns out to be significantly better in defence.

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Seiffert82 wrote: June 2, 2022, 5:51 am
radicalraider wrote:Dufty back on our radar
Sounds unlikely. Savage is basically the same player.

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Watching the Titans last night and had a similar thought about Savage. Could end up like Isaako. Loose carries and dodging heavy contact whenever possible.

Let's hope he heads more in the Papy direction.
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When have you seen Savage dodge contact? I remember him diving desperately into a tough contact to help with a held up in pre-season. He's taking his hit ups and making metres (you do not make 200 easy metres in an nrl game). He missed a cover tackle on Johnson on the weekend. But he stuck another one too.

The loose carry was dumb. Naive.

He's trying to learn one of the most demanding positions and he's barely played lower grade footy for 2 years thanks to covid. He's far from the finished product. But I see a lot to work with and I certainly don't see him dodging contact.
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