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Where would you like a new Canberra Stadium to be built?

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Mitchell
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Canberra Raiders' wet wash highlights the need for new stadium plans

The Canberra Raiders were on track for a massive crowd for tonight’s clash with the Panthers, but officials estimated between 3000-4000 decided to stay home because of the intermittent rain, ending hopes of breaking 20,000 for the first time of the pandemic era. In the end 16,912 turned up to see Penrith win 26-6.

Roughly, just 2500 people are protected from the elements at Canberra Stadium. It's hard to argue with Ricky Stuart's view that Canberra fan experience is "unfair" on the hardcore Green Machine base.

Read more: https://www.canberratimes.com.au/story/ ... /?cs=14239

'The sensible next step': Pocock, Raiders to seek clarity on future of Canberra Stadium

Independent Senator David Pocock has rebuked Chief Minister Andrew Barr's stadium infrastructure comments, reiterating his support for the project despite the ACT government appearing to cool on the idea.

Pocock voiced his disappointment on Saturday, while the Canberra Raiders are set to seek a meeting with ACT Chief Minister Andrew Barr to get clarity on the government's plans.

Read more: https://www.canberratimes.com.au/story/ ... /?cs=14329
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Mickey_Raider wrote:Surely the Libs run a 2024 ACT election campaign on a new stadium platform.
If you vote for the canberra liberals based on that campaign, well, you deserve a canberra liberals government.

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What a cold wet horrible miserable place in winter. Rubbish access. Rubbish parking. Rubbish roads in.

We need a new ground. It should be a priority.
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Love4Noa wrote:What a cold wet horrible miserable place in winter. Rubbish access. Rubbish parking. Rubbish roads in.

We need a new ground. It should be a priority.
We pay $8 for the night and you can take one popsicle out of the fridge

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Azza wrote:
Love4Noa wrote:What a cold wet horrible miserable place in winter. Rubbish access. Rubbish parking. Rubbish roads in.

We need a new ground. It should be a priority.
We pay $8 for the night and you can take one popsicle out of the fridge

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The Nickman wrote: August 9, 2022, 11:47 am
Azza wrote:
Love4Noa wrote:What a cold wet horrible miserable place in winter. Rubbish access. Rubbish parking. Rubbish roads in.

We need a new ground. It should be a priority.
We pay $8 for the night and you can take one popsicle out of the fridge

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Deal!

Still got it.
Still got it? You didn't even bother negotiating for two.
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There's an article in today's SMH, by Peter FitzSimons (yeah, I know) that claims he has the inside scoop on what a 25,000-seat stadium at Penrith would cost to build – between $600m to $650m. However, this is because they would have relocate Penrith Paceway to accommodate the new stadium. So, subtract about $80m from that total, giving us final estimate of about $520m - $570m. Cheap compared to Stage 2 of that glorified tram.

There's a cost breakdown at:

https://www.smh.com.au/sport/nrl/reveal ... 5b8na.html
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1billion dollars? seems high when you look at the fixed price contract the Christchurch city council has just signed(finally) with an Australian Construction company.

$683 million nzd for an enclosed rectangular 30,000 seat stadium, heck you might even be able to save some design costs and go with a similar design or even a replica? 30,000 rectangular with a roof is pretty much what Canberra is hoping for isn't it?

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/129249 ... ch-stadium
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Nice looking stadium.
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Yeah, that stadium looks great. 30-35k is a good capacity too.

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Hobart, a city of 220,000, moves ahead of Canberra in new stadium pecking order

Hobart moved a step closer to getting a brand new, $750 million, roofed stadium on the waterfront this week when Anthony Albanese's federal government gave it their backing. They don't even have an AFL team yet and the feds have already said they'll work with their Tasmanian counterparts.

Meanwhile, in Australia's capital, ACT Chief Minister Andrew Barr has pretty much put out any hope Canberra will ever get a new one. Even though Canberra's population is more than double that of Hobart's.

Read more: https://www.canberratimes.com.au/story/ ... /?cs=14239
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Keep their feet to the fire Canberra Times. They're doing a great job of making sure this stays in the public conscience.

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Canberra Raiders boss Don Furner says NRLW players face Canberra Stadium change-room embarrassment



Raiders CEO Don Furner says Canberra Stadium's "embarrassing" change room facilities mean NRLW players will need to get changed outside the stadium if multiple grades are played on the same day.

"It's going to be embarrassing," Furner said. "Opposition NRLW teams will see it, they'll have to get changed outside the ground."

Read more: https://canberraweekly.com.au/raiders-c ... eds-funds/
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I'm not sure Andrew Barr gives a single **** about this new tactic from Don but full credit for the attempt.

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gergreg wrote: August 18, 2022, 6:31 pm I'm not sure Andrew Barr gives a single **** about this new tactic from Don but full credit for the attempt.

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Forget a new stadium for rugby league. The Canberra Times are reporting that the ACT government will actually increase their $2.3 million a year payment for a few GWS games a season.

What a joke of a deal for a fly in fly out AFL team who only have anything to do with Canberra when there’s money or facilities in it for them.

Raiders and Brumbies and a host of other local sports as well as Canberra’s neglected sporting infrastructure, should feel ripped off that GWS can take so much for so little.

Barr being an AFL fan shouldn’t be able to use so much tax payers money for the things he likes.

Do we have a sincere and passionate Raiders fan in the Assembly from any party? I’ve only seen the odd one at the game come finals time.
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kiwi raider wrote: August 11, 2022, 10:59 am 1billion dollars? seems high when you look at the fixed price contract the Christchurch city council has just signed(finally) with an Australian Construction company.

$683 million nzd for an enclosed rectangular 30,000 seat stadium, heck you might even be able to save some design costs and go with a similar design or even a replica? 30,000 rectangular with a roof is pretty much what Canberra is hoping for isn't it?

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/129249 ... ch-stadium
So if people have good will it can happen and at a much lower cost than is being put to the public. If only there was no one to Barr the way.
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ACT Chief Minister Andrew Barr concedes Civic stadium dream in Canberra is all but over

ACT Chief Minister Andrew Barr has sounded what looms as the final death knell for the Civic stadium of dreams, describing his own vision as a risk of being "dead space" if the project went ahead.

"I've reluctantly reached the conclusion that it is very, very challenging on the Civic pool site. I've got to make a judgement call ultimately about this ... So whilst I have attempted to make this work, and have sought to do this, I concede it is much more challenging when you get into the detail than at first glance."

Read more: https://www.canberratimes.com.au/story/ ... /?cs=14280

So the pool site looks like it’ll be a convention centre/theatre and any new stadium in on the current site.
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Where’s the old poster Raiderfan who argued with me this new Civic stadium was locked in and gonna happen when I cast doubts that Mr Barr was really serious about delivering it?

City to the lake ended up being city to the fake election promise.
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"So whilst I have attempted to make this work"

if you say so...
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Lui_Bon wrote:"So whilst I have attempted to make this work"

if you say so...
He hasn't tried at all. Excuses after excuses.

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gergreg wrote:
Lui_Bon wrote:"So whilst I have attempted to make this work"

if you say so...
He hasn't tried at all. Excuses after excuses.

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This is no shock.

An absolute let down and honestly shows the level of care or respect towards the people, fans, and both Raiders and Brumbies.
At this stage I would be supportive of the Raiders holding the decision makers to ransom by approaching the NSW Government and requesting a new stadium to be built in or near Queanbeyan.

The ACT is losing the rights to have a team in the nations capital if our infrastructure is not suitable.
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Haha, this is entirely as I expected.

The plan for a stadium in the city at the pool site was never going to be logistically or economically viable. As expected, it was always going to proceed at the AIS precinct, whether the Raiders fans liked it or not. And it was always going to be tied to the sale of that land from the Feds to the ACT Government.

So much angst here. I'm actually excited plans to actually do something are clearly on the agenda. Once you get over the disappointment of not having a tiny stadium in the city (which could never host international scale events), it makes it a lot easier to move on and look forward to actually having quality replacement for the stadium at Bruce. It's so easy to get caught up in the eternal discussions about the possible potential consideration for building a sub-optimal facility (that you could never actually use) in the middle of what is now a residential area.

And, how good would it be to get a top class entertainment and conventions facility in the city! The pool site, with a better connection to Commonwealth Park, would be ideal for something like that. The views from a 4-5 story convention centre over the lake and the Parliamentary Triangle would be unreal.

Then you knock down the dodgy old Convention Centre and build a brand new casino and luxury hotel on the site Suddenly you have a quality entertainment centre on the edge of the city and surrounded by brand new hotels (and underground parking facilities) on Allara St and Constitution Ave.

The site was never going to work as a stadium.







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If there is any more cold water thrown on this we’ll have a swimming pool. I think Barr has explained himself well and his arguments make a lot of sense. 340 dead days a year isn’t helping local business

Barr pours more cold water on dreams of a 'very challenging' city stadium: https://the-riotact.com/barr-pours-more ... ium/589484
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Billy Walker wrote:If there is any more cold water thrown on this we’ll have a swimming pool. I think Barr has explained himself well and his arguments make a lot of sense. 340 dead days a year isn’t helping local business

Barr pours more cold water on dreams of a 'very challenging' city stadium: https://the-riotact.com/barr-pours-more ... ium/589484
I wouldn’t congratulate Mr Barr for making sense that 340 dead days a year at the stadium doesn’t help business.

This was a known factor from when he first announced the project. It’s like suddenly being surprised that a church gets a lot more use on a Sunday and that congregations don’t tend to show up the other days of the week.
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$1 billion. What are we talking average crowds between Brumbies and Raiders? 15k would be generous I’d say. I’d imagine some cross over of supporters between codes - so where does that leave us. $1b or so for a project that will directly benefit 10% of the local population and has near zero wider economic benefits.

Not a popular call if you are one of the few wanting to use a new stadium, but the right call for a small city with far greater priorities.
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As the story makes clear, it doesn't cost $1 billion. We know Broncos fans don't care about a new stadium in Canberra, as Lang Park has already been redeveloped. But we need a new one in Canberra.
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Barr has handled this appallingly. Stating the obvious now just makes him look stupid.

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Gee, 'dead days' is an interesting metric or term. Love to hear how many 'dead days' there is on that multi million dollar AFL deal. Or how about 'dead days' on this new Convention centre in a city that struggles in that market. I'm sure they wouldn't use that term for those initiatives because of the clear negative connotations.

And I'm also sure that the 'pitch' on a new Convention centre is based on 'build it and they'll come' but unfortunately that same pitch doesn't also apply to a new stadium in the city.

A forward thinking politician would do anything possible to get a nice stadium in the city because it is clear how successful it would be. For local businesses... tax dollars... community engagement... public transport usage on weekends etc... but we have a chief minister that not only doesn't give a **** about rectangle sports but also is so **** bitter that he doesn't want it to be successful. He is clearly putting his bias ahead of what the community wants.

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gergreg wrote: August 31, 2022, 7:05 pm Gee, 'dead days' is an interesting metric or term. Love to hear how many 'dead days' there is on that multi million dollar AFL deal. Or how about 'dead days' on this new Convention centre in a city that struggles in that market. I'm sure they wouldn't use that term for those initiatives because of the clear negative connotations.

And I'm also sure that the 'pitch' on a new Convention centre is based on 'build it and they'll come' but unfortunately that same pitch doesn't also apply to a new stadium in the city.

A forward thinking politician would do anything possible to get a nice stadium in the city because it is clear how successful it would be. For local businesses... tax dollars... community engagement... public transport usage on weekends etc... but we have a chief minister that not only doesn't give a **** about rectangle sports but also is so **** bitter that he doesn't want it to be successful. He is clearly putting his bias ahead of what the community wants.

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It’s actually not clear at all. There is a very good John Oliver episode on HBO that delves into new stadium builds in the US and most of them are money pits and don’t anything to a CBD. In some cases they actually increase crime and business suffer loses as regular customers stay away on game days.
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Riaan wrote:
gergreg wrote: August 31, 2022, 7:05 pm Gee, 'dead days' is an interesting metric or term. Love to hear how many 'dead days' there is on that multi million dollar AFL deal. Or how about 'dead days' on this new Convention centre in a city that struggles in that market. I'm sure they wouldn't use that term for those initiatives because of the clear negative connotations.

And I'm also sure that the 'pitch' on a new Convention centre is based on 'build it and they'll come' but unfortunately that same pitch doesn't also apply to a new stadium in the city.

A forward thinking politician would do anything possible to get a nice stadium in the city because it is clear how successful it would be. For local businesses... tax dollars... community engagement... public transport usage on weekends etc... but we have a chief minister that not only doesn't give a **** about rectangle sports but also is so **** bitter that he doesn't want it to be successful. He is clearly putting his bias ahead of what the community wants.

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It’s actually not clear at all. There is a very good John Oliver episode on HBO that delves into new stadium builds in the US and most of them are money pits and don’t anything to a CBD. In some cases they actually increase crime and business suffer loses as regular customers stay away on game days.
Got a link?

I'm sure this sort of research would have been undertaken in one of the several feasibility studies which have been done (at some expense) over the past 20 years.

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Worth noting, there is a major difference in US and AUS sporting landscapes in that the vast majority of stadiums in the US are built specifically because teams threaten to leave the area to relocate to a new area and a local governement that was willing to stump up a new stadium to have them

LA was that for the NFL for years, any team unhappy about their stadium would simply threaten to pack up and leave. Fans (read voters) would get angry and before long the team got a new facility. But the other major difference is these teams are all owned by extremely wealthy owners and these are all extremely successful and profitable businesses who can and SHOULD be able to build their own stadiums without public money

No professional club in this country can do that. The AFL own marvel stadium but thats an entire league purchasing a single stadium. So there is a bit an apples vs oranges situation here in the australian sporting landscape. If facilities arent built with public money, they simply will not ever be built
Over in the US we are now seeing these billionaire owners start to stump up their own cash as public money has dried up
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Also the chargers, Rams and Raiders mentioned in that clip as threatening to move to LA in 2015

Flash cut to 2022!
All three ended up wild league wide vote off to decide which two of those teams got to move to LA... the winners were the Rams (Stan Kroenke footed the bill for a 5BILLION dollar stadium, which he now shares) and the chargers
The Raiders after losing and failing to convince Oakland to build them a new stadium with public funds, packed up and moved to Las Vegas who stumped up huge amounts of public cash to build them a new 1.8bil stadium
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greeneyed wrote: August 31, 2022, 5:53 pm As the story makes clear, it doesn't cost $1 billion. We know Broncos fans don't care about a new stadium in Canberra, as Lang Park has already been redeveloped. But we need a new one in Canberra.
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