The Politics Thread 2024

[PNGRaider37]

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Righto

[PNGRaider37]

Trump first term was filled with so called brilliant people who were highly accomplished and Trump fans were excited to see what they all could do
It almost every person who worked under him to a man or women said it was a total **** show and spoke out against his re-election.

3 years from now if flavours of the month like Ramaswamy and Gabbard are on the outs because even they couldnt abide by Trump's nonsense and Trumpers are calling them idiots and frauds, is anyone going to be shocked?

Okay Botman. Well I'm prepared to give him a chance to show he might have changed his approach. Idk, after 2 assassination attempts it might have changed the man, we will see. And I'm sure you and your band mates will be back with a new song and dance if it goes how you anticipate.

[samvucago]

Trump first term was filled with so called brilliant people who were highly accomplished and Trump fans were excited to see what they all could do
It almost every person who worked under him to a man or women said it was a total **** show and spoke out against his re-election.

3 years from now if flavours of the month like Ramaswamy and Gabbard are on the outs because even they couldnt abide by Trump's nonsense and Trumpers are calling them idiots and frauds, is anyone going to be shocked?

The orange fellow has actually admitted that he got many many appointments wrong in his first term (Joe Rogan Podcast Episode 2219). He has said that he has narrowed down the people to whom he is going to take advice from as opposed to whom he did in his first term. He also stated that the enormity of the job in his first term took him by surprise but he won’t make the same mistakes this time. America has such massive division that it is actually irrelevant who is driving the bus and IMO Trump is just the end result of the EDIT their political system has created.

As others have stated in this thread (even those with a dose of TDS) him being in the White House isn’t going to have an abject effect on their day to day lives unless they come on here and pick fights with those on the other side of the aisle about (insert the issue of the day).

[PNGRaider37]

Just making sure that I've got this straight. Both PNGRaider and Dubby are pro-vax, but see no problem with appointing in charge of a countries vaccination program an anti-vax conspiracy theorist who has previously caused mass casualties by disrupting a vaccination program in another country. Roger.

I suspect their view on it would be different if it was Biden or Harris that appointed him.

I see now that it's like explaining to kids that santa claus isn't real. So I'll try to go gently.

From my posts. What I was saying is that America is Not Samoa. US institutions and practices are a lot stronger than a small pacific island nation. Your initial comparison is unfair as Samoa does not have the systems to store and deliver vaccines on the scale of the USA. Nor did it have the ability to educate people against an entrenched culture (at the time of the outbreak), which it slowly did after people died.

But You're making grand predictions as if they are certainties, using the deaths of children to try to one up a random internet person (srsly bro?).

I'm no expert on infant immunization in the USA. But I trust that the USA, despite who may be in charge still has systems and infrastructure in place to continue to roll out vaccines as usual. Unfortunately, there are anti-vaxxers and some of them and their kids may die (which is terrible).

I gather that the main thing that has you and your band mates singing off key is the covid jab. Which is a dead issue now (to me at least). Moreso, since federal vaccine mandates were lifted in the USA. So I don't know why on earth it's still got you in a twist. But to assume, with footy forum authority, that no one will be allowed to be vaccinated in America ever again is utterly ridiculous and you might as well put some milk and cookies out on xmas eve.

So clearly I haven't explained myself well.

I don't have my knickers in a twist about Covid, I was just interested in the comparison in Covid uptake, as it is the most recent mass vaccination event and gives some evidence of a communities confidence in vaccination, at least at that stage. The measles outbreak was earlier and so shows public confidence in the vaccination program after the outbreak. The uptake in Samoa and the US are comparable. The uptake in red states was much lower than blue states. There has been increased vaccine hesitancy in Australia at least since covid. Those red states are ripe for the picking of someone of RFK's ilk.

Other than I'm not making direct comparisons between Samoa. Clearly they are two very different countries in terms of economics, infrastructure and culture. The Samoan program was in a vulnerable position following the deaths of those two babies, and RFK with no position of importance majorly undermined it. Vaccination rates in developed countries have declined post covid, and DT wants to put this guy in charge? I understand that the US systems and infrastructure in place, but that doesn't matter a lick if confidence is low. RFK will make it his business to undermine confidence, and do what he can to damage those institutions.

Regardless of whether or not you think that is likely, it shows incredibly poor judgement from the President Elect to appoint this guy to a position of influence on healthcare.

Sorry just saw this. Thanks for clarifying good doctor. Fair enough.

Vaccine hesitancy will remain and that's an effect of the covid pandemic. RFK may ride that wave but for now (as I posted earlier) he's indicating he won't be preventing people from accessing vaccines. He hasn't been appointed to oversee US health administration (yet) so let's just take a deep breath.

[Botman]

Trump first term was filled with so called brilliant people who were highly accomplished and Trump fans were excited to see what they all could do
It almost every person who worked under him to a man or women said it was a total **** show and spoke out against his re-election.

3 years from now if flavours of the month like Ramaswamy and Gabbard are on the outs because even they couldnt abide by Trump's nonsense and Trumpers are calling them idiots and frauds, is anyone going to be shocked?

Okay Botman. Well I'm prepared to give him a chance to show he might have changed his approach. Idk, after 2 assassination attempts it might have changed the man, we will see. And I'm sure you and your band mates will be back with a new song and dance if it goes how you anticipate.

Well look at that! No rebutal at all. A point well made i guess, one even you couldnt refute

It doesnt much matter if you, or or anyone else is willing or not to give him a chance, he'll get the chance all the same
We will indeed see. FWIW i hope you're right and things arent as choatic as they were in his last term.

[The Nickman]

Holy crap… “Botcisman”??

Is this **** serious?

[PNGRaider37]

Trump first term was filled with so called brilliant people who were highly accomplished and Trump fans were excited to see what they all could do
It almost every person who worked under him to a man or women said it was a total **** show and spoke out against his re-election.

3 years from now if flavours of the month like Ramaswamy and Gabbard are on the outs because even they couldnt abide by Trump's nonsense and Trumpers are calling them idiots and frauds, is anyone going to be shocked?

The orange fellow has actually admitted that he got many many appointments wrong in his first term (Joe Rogan Podcast Episode 2219). He has said that he has narrowed down the people to whom he is going to take advice from as opposed to whom he did in his first term. He also stated that the enormity of the job in his first term took him by surprise but he won’t make the same mistakes this time. America has such massive division that it is actually irrelevant who is driving the bus and IMO Trump is just the end result of the EDIT their political system has created.

As others have stated in this thread (even those with a dose of TDS) him being in the White House isn’t going to have an abject effect on their day to day lives unless they come on here and pick fights with those on the other side of the aisle about (insert the issue of the day).

He admitted he was wrong? Are you suggesting he learned from his mistakes and wants to do better? So very very dictatorial of him

[PNGRaider37]

Trump first term was filled with so called brilliant people who were highly accomplished and Trump fans were excited to see what they all could do
It almost every person who worked under him to a man or women said it was a total **** show and spoke out against his re-election.

3 years from now if flavours of the month like Ramaswamy and Gabbard are on the outs because even they couldnt abide by Trump's nonsense and Trumpers are calling them idiots and frauds, is anyone going to be shocked?

Okay Botman. Well I'm prepared to give him a chance to show he might have changed his approach. Idk, after 2 assassination attempts it might have changed the man, we will see. And I'm sure you and your band mates will be back with a new song and dance if it goes how you anticipate.

Well look at that! No rebutal at all. A point well made i guess, one even you couldnt refute

It doesnt much matter if you, or or anyone else is willing or not to give him a chance, he'll get the chance all the same
We will indeed see. FWIW i hope you're right and things arent as choatic as they were in his last term.

Did it really need a rebuttal? You gave a bite sized summary of the experiences of people he worked with previously. A win is a win for you I guess. Been a rough week, I get it. Peace out

[Botman]

Holy crap… “Botcisman”??

Is this **** serious?

Look, he's not wrong.
I know he probably thinks that's a cutting jibe that is hugely insulting but it doesnt quite land that way for me

Could have called me Botdelightfulfunnyhandsomeandmusicalcisman if he wants to be super accurate but beggars cant be choosers.

[Dr Zaius]

Trump on RFK: "the dumbest member of the Kennedy family"

Also Trump on RFK: "a very talented guy"

[gerg]

I feel like this is kind of like explaining the hearsay rule but there is a difference between asserting an opinion versus asserting a fact.

An asserted opinion that “the macro conditions of US economy are quite good” is an opinion which should not require a “source” to verify. How can it? What constitutes “quite good”? What constitutes “macro” ? What metrics comprise same?

Conversely if I were to assert that the unemployment rate is the lowest it has been since 1534, well, that is another matter. I’ve asserted a fact there and you are well within your rights to demand a source to verify that.

If you lads can’t figure out the difference and you continue on this authoritarian post-election jaunt, well, I will have to bow out of posting on this thread.

MR, you and the regular people who contribute to this particular thread developed an over confidence in your own opinions due to a lack of debate. Now GE has called for academic like integrity and sources for your opinions, you decide to bow out? Can't blame you.

I understand your point though.

We all bow to your academic superiority Dubby. Hallelujah brother.

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[gerg]

I've not learned a lot about RFK. I just found his interest in the overall decline in health quality in the US interesting, and I caveated that by saying I found his interview with JP interesting.

I'll gladly admit I didn't know he was an anti vaxxer. I'm happy I learned something today.

That's the purpose of the exchange of conversation and ideas, right?

I want to circle back to this for a second too, because i think it's such a great example of what drives me crazy

We have Dubby who is pro vax, and a Trump fan, and presumably if he were a US citizen a trump voter

Trump made it very clear that RFK was going to be given the keys to the healthcare system in the lead up to the election
RFK and his views on vaccines and medical science is a matter of public record for a long time.

And yet, here we are, after election day and he's only just finding out that the guy who you would have voted for is handing the healthcare system over to an anti vaxxer. I feel like its such a great example of where it's all sort of going wrong imo.

If only our own @Dr Zaius had said something about this week's or months ago. But alas we were all none the wiser.

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[gerg]

Let him cook, guys! His boy Trump is returning to his seat of power and this time America has gone full fascist, this is 100% dubby's time to shine

Trump is not a fascist. Neither are his supporters.

A fascist would limit free speech, would tell you what you can and can't say and moderate the heck out of your life.

There would be no joy. No opposing views. Complete censorship of anything contrary to the establishment.

I give you Mussolini, Mao, Stalin as examples.

Trump had a rabid MSM going after him, is actually quite generous and has a sense of humour. Ever see Hitler crack a joke?

Is Trump impolite? Yep. So are many on this forum. Doesn't make them fascists

How many sources are required in this new world order?

https://edition.cnn.com/2024/11/05/medi ... index.html

https://www.reuters.com/article/world/t ... KCN1RZ28Y/

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-39085235

https://www.cjr.org/the_media_today/whi ... passes.php

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/201 ... ean-spicer

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[gangrenous]

Also point to raise
we're australian, at least i assume everyone in this discussion is
to my knowledge no one in this debate is american and voted either way in the election... i didnt lose anything

Trump's 2nd term of presidency will unlikely impact me much if at all. There will certainly be losers and winners of that election result but it wont be me, either way

Indeed, our next shot is next year.

How about Australia doesn’t follow the rest of the developed democracies in turfing incumbents just because they don’t like inflation which would have happened regardless?

Vote LNP if you must. But take the time to do it for a reason you can rationally defend. Don’t just knee jerk contrary vote because of your feelings about things that a cursory investigation will show is nonsense. Test your reasoning by putting it to your smartest friend and seeing their response, throw it out here and debate it.

I think as others have noted Labor are goneski. After NBN, negative gearing, Brexit, Trump x2, I have lost faith in democracy making reasoned choices on policy. The quick easy “I’ll fix it and make everything better” slogan will win regardless of what policies ultimately are put forward.

[Mickey_Raider]

https://x.com/mplskerrbear/status/18548 ... g2-Mkmi5mw

Triumph of feelings (and some misinformation) over facts, as I said.

[samvucago]

Also point to raise
we're australian, at least i assume everyone in this discussion is
to my knowledge no one in this debate is american and voted either way in the election... i didnt lose anything

Trump's 2nd term of presidency will unlikely impact me much if at all. There will certainly be losers and winners of that election result but it wont be me, either way

Indeed, our next shot is next year.

How about Australia doesn’t follow the rest of the developed democracies in turfing incumbents just because they don’t like inflation which would have happened regardless?

Vote LNP if you must. But take the time to do it for a reason you can rationally defend. Don’t just knee jerk contrary vote because of your feelings about things that a cursory investigation will show is nonsense. Test your reasoning by putting it to your smartest friend and seeing their response, throw it out here and debate it.

I think as others have noted Labor are goneski. After NBN, negative gearing, Brexit, Trump x2, I have lost faith in democracy making reasoned choices on policy. The quick easy “I’ll fix it and make everything better” slogan will win regardless of what policies ultimately are put forward.

That is exactly how a democratic political system “should” work. The problem in today’s world is that the politicians and the beaurocratic elite are not even close to being the best and brightest and that’s why Governments the world over are a EDIT.

[Off]

https://x.com/mplskerrbear/status/18548 ... g2-Mkmi5mw

Triumph of feelings (and some misinformation) over facts, as I said.

Yes, that's correct all those celebrities are real believers of truth.


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[Off]

I'd really like to sit down and have a beer with that Tim walz fella.

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[dubby]

Let him cook, guys! His boy Trump is returning to his seat of power and this time America has gone full fascist, this is 100% dubby's time to shine

Trump is not a fascist. Neither are his supporters.

A fascist would limit free speech, would tell you what you can and can't say and moderate the heck out of your life.

There would be no joy. No opposing views. Complete censorship of anything contrary to the establishment.

I give you Mussolini, Mao, Stalin as examples.

Trump had a rabid MSM going after him, is actually quite generous and has a sense of humour. Ever see Hitler crack a joke?

Is Trump impolite? Yep. So are many on this forum. Doesn't make them fascists

How many sources are required in this new world order?

https://edition.cnn.com/2024/11/05/medi ... index.html

https://www.reuters.com/article/world/t ... KCN1RZ28Y/

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-39085235

https://www.cjr.org/the_media_today/whi ... passes.php

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/201 ... ean-spicer

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As your academic overlord and superior, I would encourage you to avoid such left leaning sources and encourage you to utilise online sources that end in .org or .gov as these are recognised as official and academic levels of information.

[Riaan]

The worst part of this whole thing is that the this type of political discourse will no doubt filter down to the Australian political scene. The hatred towards woman and marginal groups will be lapped up EDIT - scary times.

[Dr Zaius]

I got an Uber ride the other day. The driver had just got back from Thailand and was telling me about some horrific floods which washed away dozens of elephants.

We talked about the recent floods in Spain and the floods that effected Lismore.

He told me that there was a CIA ship off Spain with a weather machine on it, and that was the likely cause. I suggested that it was more likely climate change. He scoffed.

Anyway, I didn't realise that you were driving Ubers Dubs.

[Botman]

Man i had the "and how was Dubs otherwise?" bullet loaded into the holster ready to fire until i saw the final line.

[samvucago]

I got an Uber ride the other day. The driver had just got back from Thailand and was telling me about some horrific floods which washed away dozens of elephants.

We talked about the recent floods in Spain and the floods that effected Lismore.

He told me that there was a CIA ship off Spain with a weather machine on it, and that was the likely cause. I suggested that it was more likely climate change. He scoffed.

Anyway, I didn't realise that you were driving Ubers Dubs.

Way too logical a man to be an Uber driver.

[The Nickman]

So Trump wants to make “ANTIFA” a terrorist organisation.

Think about that just for a little bit, try and apply some complex reasoning to what that actually means and what it also says about Trump.

[dubby]

I got an Uber ride the other day. The driver had just got back from Thailand and was telling me about some horrific floods which washed away dozens of elephants.

We talked about the recent floods in Spain and the floods that effected Lismore.

He told me that there was a CIA ship off Spain with a weather machine on it, and that was the likely cause. I suggested that it was more likely climate change. He scoffed.

Anyway, I didn't realise that you were driving Ubers Dubs.

An uber driver back from Thailand with an alternative opinion to an Aussie elite who then proceeds to take offence and wonders why people vote the way they do.

You really get testy when people disagree with you, don't you?

Maybe, just maybe, it's OK to admit that it's OK to disagree on certain matters.

[dubby]

So Trump wants to make “ANTIFA” a terrorist organisation.

Think about that just for a little bit, try and apply some complex reasoning to what that actually means and what it also says about Trump.

They're not useful for anything. A bunch of thugs wearing ski masks and trying to stand over people.

They're a methed up version of "just stop oil".

[Dr Zaius]

I got an Uber ride the other day. The driver had just got back from Thailand and was telling me about some horrific floods which washed away dozens of elephants.

We talked about the recent floods in Spain and the floods that effected Lismore.

He told me that there was a CIA ship off Spain with a weather machine on it, and that was the likely cause. I suggested that it was more likely climate change. He scoffed.

Anyway, I didn't realise that you were driving Ubers Dubs.

An uber driver back from Thailand with an alternative opinion to an Aussie elite who then proceeds to take offence and wonders why people vote the way they do.

You really get testy when people disagree with you, don't you?

Maybe, just maybe, it's OK to admit that it's OK to disagree on certain matters.

A white Uber driver driving a Mercedes.

Facts don't care about your opinion Dubby.

[samvucago]

So Trump wants to make “ANTIFA” a terrorist organisation.

Think about that just for a little bit, try and apply some complex reasoning to what that actually means and what it also says about Trump.

Solid opening move

[dubby]

I got an Uber ride the other day. The driver had just got back from Thailand and was telling me about some horrific floods which washed away dozens of elephants.

We talked about the recent floods in Spain and the floods that effected Lismore.

He told me that there was a CIA ship off Spain with a weather machine on it, and that was the likely cause. I suggested that it was more likely climate change. He scoffed.

Anyway, I didn't realise that you were driving Ubers Dubs.

An uber driver back from Thailand with an alternative opinion to an Aussie elite who then proceeds to take offence and wonders why people vote the way they do.

You really get testy when people disagree with you, don't you?

Maybe, just maybe, it's OK to admit that it's OK to disagree on certain matters.

A white Uber driver driving a Mercedes.

Facts don't care about your opinion Dubby.

Leftys using Ben Shapiro in a quote.

Love it.

But man, why use a Mercedes driving Uber Driver as your example? If he's successful enough to drive a Merc (I gather by your implications it's fairly recent model, not a 91 model) you've made my point further

[Dr Zaius]

I got an Uber ride the other day. The driver had just got back from Thailand and was telling me about some horrific floods which washed away dozens of elephants.

We talked about the recent floods in Spain and the floods that effected Lismore.

He told me that there was a CIA ship off Spain with a weather machine on it, and that was the likely cause. I suggested that it was more likely climate change. He scoffed.

Anyway, I didn't realise that you were driving Ubers Dubs.

An uber driver back from Thailand with an alternative opinion to an Aussie elite who then proceeds to take offence and wonders why people vote the way they do.

You really get testy when people disagree with you, don't you?

Maybe, just maybe, it's OK to admit that it's OK to disagree on certain matters.

A white Uber driver driving a Mercedes.

Facts don't care about your opinion Dubby.

Leftys using Ben Shapiro in a quote.

Love it.

But man, why use a Mercedes driving Uber Driver as your example? If he's successful enough to drive a Merc (I gather by your implications it's fairly recent model, not a 91 model) you've made my point further

Whatever Dubby.

I'm not going to waste my time.

Not all opinions are equal, and I don't value the opinion of someone, anyone, who thinks that the CIA have a secret weather machine and are sailing around the world, randomly causing major floods for reasons unknown, over the opinion of the overwhelming majority of climate scientists who have spent their entire adult life researching and understanding the world's changing climate.

When you say "elite" , you clearly mean educated. Because your Ilk just elected a billionaire supported by the world's richest man. It doesn't get much more elite than that. No, you mean educated. You don't like people who actually know what they are talking about.

[The Nickman]

So Trump wants to make “ANTIFA” a terrorist organisation.

Think about that just for a little bit, try and apply some complex reasoning to what that actually means and what it also says about Trump.

They're not useful for anything. A bunch of thugs wearing ski masks and trying to stand over people.

They're a methed up version of "just stop oil".

I figured I’d have to walk you through this one, so here goes… firstly, do you understand what the term “ANTIFA” stands for?

[gerg]

I got an Uber ride the other day. The driver had just got back from Thailand and was telling me about some horrific floods which washed away dozens of elephants.

We talked about the recent floods in Spain and the floods that effected Lismore.

He told me that there was a CIA ship off Spain with a weather machine on it, and that was the likely cause. I suggested that it was more likely climate change. He scoffed.

Anyway, I didn't realise that you were driving Ubers Dubs.

I'm not sure Dubby has ever owned a passport.

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[T_R]

Gee, this is an ugly thread.

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[The Nickman]

Gee, this is an ugly thread.

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And Frankly, it should be.

[dubby]

Gee, this is an ugly thread.

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As an aside, I found out recently that a lot of over weight people with dark hair have a tattoo of me.