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he got repeatedly canned for not covering the backs last season, it's just whatever some need to do to can him

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bonehead wrote: June 7, 2022, 1:04 pm he got repeatedly canned for not covering the backs last season, it's just whatever some need to do to can him

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bonehead wrote: June 7, 2022, 1:04 pm he got repeatedly canned for not covering the backs last season, it's just whatever some need to do to can him

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bonehead wrote: June 7, 2022, 1:06 pm
Rickmando wrote:
bonehead wrote: June 7, 2022, 1:04 pm he got repeatedly canned for not covering the backs last season, it's just whatever some need to do to can him
Who was canning him?
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We had a run of those last year in the backs with concussion and injuries. I think he even discussed it himself in a post game press conference about needing to have a backup now with the protocols.
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It was definitely a subject that was debated on here, we went through a tough run where we lost a back a few times close together and we just ended up getting killed because someone like Havilii defending out in centres

Some people were certainly eager to have a specialist back on the bench. I remember pushing back on it because i didnt think we lost guys to HIA's and injuries at a high enough clip to justify it

That being said, this is another reason why i believe CHN has to be in the side. He helps alleviate these problems because he can play centre for a period if we need him, so we can shuffle around the backs to cover an in game injury without needing a specialist back
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Yeah guys like CHN and even Kris can fill that role well in the future. Either that centre big enough to be in the second row or the second rower fast enough to cover backs. If we it weren't for Covid CHN would have been there last week.
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I believe there's a gap in our extended roster for a hybrid centre/edge forward. Most of ours are edge/middle forwards. Closest we have is CHN, however he may have lost a bit of the speed and agility he had when he first came into the NRL at Panthers. Seb Kris has the physical attributes for the role and longer term could develop into that role. Can right now as we're a bit thin for outside backs. The opportunity could present itself when CNK returns from injury, particularly if Savage can cement the fullback role in his absence.
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zim wrote: June 7, 2022, 12:48 pm The Roosters consistently do the same with their bench.
And? Not sure the 7th placed Roosters we just beat are the great example you think it is... They also have a very different forward back to us and don't fade out in the second half pretty consistently.

The only game we didn't fad in the second half for was against the Titans where our interchange rotation used FIVE interchanges (one a HIA) in the first half... It was actually the closest we came to a normal interchange rotation (normal being what the majority of clubs do).

Stuart seems to have this "we are on a roll" so doesn't want to change anything, somehow thinking that we will just keep going... He also seems to have this mentality that he doesn't want to "waste" a fresh forward if we are on the back foot... There is TINY window where he seems happy putting forwards on where it matches his pre-game plan, we are not dominated, we are not being dominated. That means we will never go on and maintain our edge over someone, which we haven't for ages now, and we will never be able to stop someone else's momentum, which we usually have to rely on individual genius or them **** up to do.
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Botman wrote: June 7, 2022, 1:12 pm It was definitely a subject that was debated on here, we went through a tough run where we lost a back a few times close together and we just ended up getting killed because someone like Havilii defending out in centres

Some people were certainly eager to have a specialist back on the bench. I remember pushing back on it because i didnt think we lost guys to HIA's and injuries at a high enough clip to justify it

That being said, this is another reason why i believe CHN has to be in the side. He helps alleviate these problems because he can play centre for a period if we need him, so we can shuffle around the backs to cover an in game injury without needing a specialist back
Forwards are more likely to be injured or come off for a HIA plus you generally want to swap out your props and lock during the game. That really only gives you one bench spot to play around with. I've got no issue with that being a back or fast second rower, bonus if they have some sort of utility role as well.

Hooker is still our issue overall. Most other clubs who carry a hooker on the bench don't use a "hooker only" style player. It's normally someone who is alright at hooker but could also cover a few other roles if they were required to. Starling is very much a hooker only style player, I can't see him doing great anywhere else on the field. Woolford looked pretty comfortable doing a full half and while Starling can provide a bit of spark when he comes on he just hasn't had that impact recently and that spark needs to be better than the drop we take by not having another forward in the rotation.

I agree that CHN can cover that forward or cover role pretty well, hopefully this week he will be back on the bench and Schiller in the starting side with Rapana on suspension.
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Ultima wrote: June 7, 2022, 1:27 pm
zim wrote: June 7, 2022, 12:48 pm The Roosters consistently do the same with their bench.
And? Not sure the 7th placed Roosters we just beat are the great example you think it is... They also have a very different forward back to us and don't fade out in the second half pretty consistently.

The only game we didn't fad in the second half for was against the Titans where our interchange rotation used FIVE interchanges (one a HIA) in the first half... It was actually the closest we came to a normal interchange rotation (normal being what the majority of clubs do).

Stuart seems to have this "we are on a roll" so doesn't want to change anything, somehow thinking that we will just keep going... He also seems to have this mentality that he doesn't want to "waste" a fresh forward if we are on the back foot... There is TINY window where he seems happy putting forwards on where it matches his pre-game plan, we are not dominated, we are not being dominated. That means we will never go on and maintain our edge over someone, which we haven't for ages now, and we will never be able to stop someone else's momentum, which we usually have to rely on individual genius or them **** up to do.
You asked who else uses their bench that way? I'm not sure what point you think I was making other than correcting your hyperbole with an example that we literally just had on the weekend. They're not the only team to do it either. The eels the week before are another example that often don't make full use of their bench depending on the lineup.
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Last week we had 4 players on or bench.

2 of them combined for a total of 15 minutes of play.
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Our bench use has been a concern for a long while now.
Particularly with how we seem to "fade out" in second halves/late game.
Would like to see the coach address this over the remainder of the season.
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Coastalraider wrote: June 7, 2022, 2:09 pm Last week we had 4 players on or bench.

2 of them combined for a total of 15 minutes of play.
And totally unnecessary. Mooney was playing with excellent control for a rookie, he wasnt trying to get too involved, or chasing the ball in defence. He was playing with control in defence and each of his 3 hit ups were strong carries, and protected the footy. He definitely had more minutes in him
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bonehead wrote: June 7, 2022, 1:06 pm
Rickmando wrote:
bonehead wrote: June 7, 2022, 1:04 pm he got repeatedly canned for not covering the backs last season, it's just whatever some need to do to can him

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Well there’s that I suppose. Plenty of couch coaches/muppets/shoved faces on here with NFI though.

Let’s remove the specifics for a second however:

Why would you set up a bench for an event that might happen in a game of football, at the expense of something you know will happen??

It makes zero sense. In fact, if you absolutely must adopt this (frankly, scaredy-cat) strategy, then surely the backup player should be a half!! A player that has more influence, with more touches of the ball and more tackles (and therefore whose loss will be more impactful) than an outside back??
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We've had plenty of examples in the past where we've been completely screwed because we didn't have a back on the bench. Particularly with the stricter HIA process. The problem isn't selecting them, it's not using them.
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There are many reasons to hate on Ricky’s strategic planning. But having a plan for the backs on the bench is not really one. As mentioned, not having cover arguably cost us a number of games. HIAs are a pretty common event these days, you need cover for the backs.

The only issue is how good the plan to cover it is. Having a purist back you don’t use at all, yeah that’s not the best plan. The Kris/CHN option seems the best one to me.

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it'd be nice to unearth another joel Thompson type bench player

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I'm pretty OK with us getting Slater over Stuart right now...
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Ultima wrote: June 8, 2022, 9:49 pm I'm pretty OK with us getting Slater over Stuart right now...
I'd much prefer he stayed at the helm of Queensland for a good decade first!
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Botman wrote: June 7, 2022, 3:08 pm
Coastalraider wrote: June 7, 2022, 2:09 pm Last week we had 4 players on or bench.

2 of them combined for a total of 15 minutes of play.
And totally unnecessary. Mooney was playing with excellent control for a rookie, he wasnt trying to get too involved, or chasing the ball in defence. He was playing with control in defence and each of his 3 hit ups were strong carries, and protected the footy. He definitely had more minutes in him
Honestly Ricky's bench usage reminds me of the Elliott era where he brought Carney on at the end of games for 10 minutes. Moronic.
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Does anyone here actually think we look better with Starling on? We lost all direction once he came on the field!

Another game with crazy use if the bench and persisting with Starling coming in and staying on even though we are very publicly **** in the second half.
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Ultima wrote: June 11, 2022, 9:23 pm Does anyone here actually think we look better with Starling on? We lost all direction once he came on the field!

Another game with crazy use if the bench and persisting with Starling coming in and staying on even though we are very publicly **** in the second half.
He was probably playing his brief- in the past that has been quoted as "come on and create chaos".

And we looked frantic. Agree Starling overdid his bit- he made yards when he ran but we looked frantic.

See also- Fogarty. He is paid to be the steady, controlling half. He was absent and unheard. He's 3 games in now. Needs to stand up.

There's a decent running #9/#14 in Starling but there's a balance there with instruction and other playmakers. We had 20 mins to crack the Broncs there and played all 20 like it was the last 2.
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I think mick ennis would make a good head coach
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I was so disappointed with the performance in the second half. Again. And then the coach came on and told us that all they needed was a bit of luck and they might get some luck next week and might win. Luck! Seriously, we are just waiting for a bit of luck. That's the coaching philosophy. And now I'm just mad. So cranky. I might calm down by tomorrow morning.
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greeneyed wrote: June 11, 2022, 10:59 pm I was so disappointed with the performance in the second half. Again. And then the coach came on and told us that all they needed was a bit of luck and they might get some luck next week and might win. Luck! Seriously, we are just waiting for a bit of luck. That's the coaching philosophy. And now I'm just mad. So cranky. I might calm down by tomorrow morning.

You will
But you shouldn’t.

We had chances and yeah with some luck we might have won this game. That’s fair! 3 of savages moments were “luck” away from points.

But no other coach gets away with that. And nor should ours.
Luck could have won this game on those half chances
But so could have better coaching and execution in the red zone, so could have better bench usage and so too could have better preparation and coaching
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greeneyed wrote: June 11, 2022, 10:59 pm I was so disappointed with the performance in the second half. Again. And then the coach came on and told us that all they needed was a bit of luck and they might get some luck next week and might win. Luck! Seriously, we are just waiting for a bit of luck. That's the coaching philosophy. And now I'm just mad. So cranky. I might calm down by tomorrow morning.
I’m not convinced that is what Ricky truly believes. It seems to me that he feels awfully aggrieved that he is expected to front the media and give any explanation or information to the media. His press conferences feel like a very thin fake facade where he says things with such obvious contempt like he almost takes pleasure in letting his distain for the process shine through. It seems fake and contrived to me.

I don’t know what’s worse - whether he truly believes all we need is luck, or whether he believes the viewers, fans and media don’t have any right to receive any true insight from him. It stinks either way. :thumbsdown
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Back to the drawing board with the sport phsycologist, no amount of deep breathing in an huddle after flopping over the tryline will help this coach.

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I'm building a great culture here and I'm proud of these boys, they take losing on the chin and we all get payed.

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greeneyed wrote:I was so disappointed with the performance in the second half. Again. And then the coach came on and told us that all they needed was a bit of luck and they might get some luck next week and might win. Luck! Seriously, we are just waiting for a bit of luck. That's the coaching philosophy. And now I'm just mad. So cranky. I might calm down by tomorrow morning.
Luck.


Or how about;

Move on some of the dead wood; Croker and Whitehead (Wayne may be keen with the below as a package deal)

Get rid of the under-performers; Starling, CHN and CNK.

And stop selecting those who are going; Sutton and Elliot.


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That was an odd part of the presser when he said culture beats structure every time and made a point that Kevvie was building culture. I thought we were getting some sort of admission our culture was poor before he quickly noted how lucky he was to coach a club with such awesome culture which really contradicted his first statement. If our culture is so good and culture wins every time……. Rick???….. huh
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We are so lacking in structure.
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He's that far gone, recruitment will be an issue moving forward.

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