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Raider Azz wrote: ↑November 24, 2021, 10:20 am Is it confirmed CNK and CHN are the other two? I haven't seen any official sources naming them, only speculation in this thread. I don't think it's fair to critisize them if we don't even know for sure. Was it reported somewhere I missed?

cat wrote:

Elcaptcroker wrote: ↑November 24, 2021, 8:21 am

Roger Kenworthy wrote:I don't see anyone saying they should be forced to take the vaccine. The options are whether they miss ~6 games or we rule them out indefinitely to avoid disruption. It's their right to not vaccinate as it is a player's right in Queensland (at this stage) to go about their career without mixing with high risk opponents.

People are also getting too worked up over something they cant control and being aggressive and attacking.


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I agree with Roger, no one is saying they should be tired to a pole and jabbed( twice)

What we are saying is don't get jabbed thats fine, but deal with the consequences which are
- you cant work ( plenty of examples outside the nrl there)
- live with lock outs ( like nt - the unvaxxed get locked out of everything)
- don't see family again
Etc

You do realise if we all said no to the vax we would all be lockdown still?

Raiders666 wrote:

cat wrote: ↑November 24, 2021, 8:34 am

Elcaptcroker wrote: ↑November 24, 2021, 8:21 am

Roger Kenworthy wrote:I don't see anyone saying they should be forced to take the vaccine. The options are whether they miss ~6 games or we rule them out indefinitely to avoid disruption. It's their right to not vaccinate as it is a player's right in Queensland (at this stage) to go about their career without mixing with high risk opponents.

People are also getting too worked up over something they cant control and being aggressive and attacking.


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I agree with Roger, no one is saying they should be tired to a pole and jabbed( twice)

What we are saying is don't get jabbed thats fine, but deal with the consequences which are
- you cant work ( plenty of examples outside the nrl there)
- live with lock outs ( like nt - the unvaxxed get locked out of everything)
- don't see family again
Etc

You do realise if we all said no to the vax we would all be lockdown still?

You do realise there is no vaccine mandate to play Rugby League yeah

Raider Azz wrote: ↑November 24, 2021, 10:20 am

Roger Kenworthy wrote: ↑November 24, 2021, 7:11 am

Fuifui Bradbrad wrote: ↑November 24, 2021, 5:38 am Yeah, when you consider the Warriors have spent the last 2 years away from home to keep the game going, not getting the shot when you’re able to is a bit of a **** move.

GE thinks the Warriors should be thankful for spending 2+ years away from home

Disappointed in CNK. Thought he had a great head on his shoulders. The other three were expected.

Is it confirmed CNK and CHN are the other two? I haven't seen any official sources naming them, only speculation in this thread. I don't think it's fair to critisize them if we don't even know for sure. Was it reported somewhere I missed?

Fuifui Bradbrad wrote: ↑November 24, 2021, 11:19 am

cat wrote:

Elcaptcroker wrote: ↑November 24, 2021, 8:21 am

Roger Kenworthy wrote:I don't see anyone saying they should be forced to take the vaccine. The options are whether they miss ~6 games or we rule them out indefinitely to avoid disruption. It's their right to not vaccinate as it is a player's right in Queensland (at this stage) to go about their career without mixing with high risk opponents.

People are also getting too worked up over something they cant control and being aggressive and attacking.


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I agree with Roger, no one is saying they should be tired to a pole and jabbed( twice)

What we are saying is don't get jabbed thats fine, but deal with the consequences which are
- you cant work ( plenty of examples outside the nrl there)
- live with lock outs ( like nt - the unvaxxed get locked out of everything)
- don't see family again
Etc

You do realise if we all said no to the vax we would all be lockdown still?

It’s been a while since I’ve agreed with Cat, but here it is. I not saying either that they should be forced to do it, they’re free to say no. But freedom of choice isn’t freedom of consequence.

Fuifui Bradbrad wrote: ↑November 24, 2021, 11:24 am

Raiders666 wrote:

cat wrote: ↑November 24, 2021, 8:34 am

Elcaptcroker wrote: ↑November 24, 2021, 8:21 am

Roger Kenworthy wrote:I don't see anyone saying they should be forced to take the vaccine. The options are whether they miss ~6 games or we rule them out indefinitely to avoid disruption. It's their right to not vaccinate as it is a player's right in Queensland (at this stage) to go about their career without mixing with high risk opponents.

People are also getting too worked up over something they cant control and being aggressive and attacking.


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I agree with Roger, no one is saying they should be tired to a pole and jabbed( twice)

What we are saying is don't get jabbed thats fine, but deal with the consequences which are
- you cant work ( plenty of examples outside the nrl there)
- live with lock outs ( like nt - the unvaxxed get locked out of everything)
- don't see family again
Etc

You do realise if we all said no to the vax we would all be lockdown still?

You do realise there is no vaccine mandate to play Rugby League yeah

I find the A League interesting here. They don’t have a mandate, but have told the players and clubs if they don’t get it, they can’t travel, stay in hotels, go into stadiums etc.

So they’re saying it’s not mandatory, but they have to get it for logistics. They’re at a 95% vax rate

cat wrote: ↑November 24, 2021, 11:43 am Has anyone asked the vaxxed players how they feel about playing against an unvaxxed player?

I know many professionals in Sydney who refuse to see unvaxxed people including some doctors.
Others expect to see a negative test result before they will see them and they limit what they do with them.

Yes if you are double vaxxed the chance of you catching the virus is dramatically reduced and the chance of you getting seriously sick is dramatically reduced.
BUT if you have people in your circle ( family , friends etc) who are immune suppressed do you want to risk sharing bodily fluids on the field with an unvaxxed player?

What about those players ( and I'm not just talking about Tapine's team mates here) rights?

Fuifui Bradbrad wrote:

cat wrote:

Elcaptcroker wrote: ↑November 24, 2021, 8:21 am

Roger Kenworthy wrote:I don't see anyone saying they should be forced to take the vaccine. The options are whether they miss ~6 games or we rule them out indefinitely to avoid disruption. It's their right to not vaccinate as it is a player's right in Queensland (at this stage) to go about their career without mixing with high risk opponents.

People are also getting too worked up over something they cant control and being aggressive and attacking.


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I agree with Roger, no one is saying they should be tired to a pole and jabbed( twice)

What we are saying is don't get jabbed thats fine, but deal with the consequences which are
- you cant work ( plenty of examples outside the nrl there)
- live with lock outs ( like nt - the unvaxxed get locked out of everything)
- don't see family again
Etc

You do realise if we all said no to the vax we would all be lockdown still?

It’s been a while since I’ve agreed with Cat, but here it is. I not saying either that they should be forced to do it, they’re free to say no. But freedom of choice isn’t freedom of consequence.

Fuifui Bradbrad wrote: ↑November 24, 2021, 11:19 am

cat wrote:

Elcaptcroker wrote: ↑November 24, 2021, 8:21 am

Roger Kenworthy wrote:I don't see anyone saying they should be forced to take the vaccine. The options are whether they miss ~6 games or we rule them out indefinitely to avoid disruption. It's their right to not vaccinate as it is a player's right in Queensland (at this stage) to go about their career without mixing with high risk opponents.

People are also getting too worked up over something they cant control and being aggressive and attacking.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

I agree with Roger, no one is saying they should be tired to a pole and jabbed( twice)

What we are saying is don't get jabbed thats fine, but deal with the consequences which are
- you cant work ( plenty of examples outside the nrl there)
- live with lock outs ( like nt - the unvaxxed get locked out of everything)
- don't see family again
Etc

You do realise if we all said no to the vax we would all be lockdown still?

It’s been a while since I’ve agreed with Cat, but here it is. I not saying either that they should be forced to do it, they’re free to say no. But freedom of choice isn’t freedom of consequence.

Raiders_Pat wrote: ↑November 24, 2021, 12:30 pm

Fuifui Bradbrad wrote: ↑November 24, 2021, 11:19 am

cat wrote:

Elcaptcroker wrote: ↑November 24, 2021, 8:21 am

Roger Kenworthy wrote:I don't see anyone saying they should be forced to take the vaccine. The options are whether they miss ~6 games or we rule them out indefinitely to avoid disruption. It's their right to not vaccinate as it is a player's right in Queensland (at this stage) to go about their career without mixing with high risk opponents.

People are also getting too worked up over something they cant control and being aggressive and attacking.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

I agree with Roger, no one is saying they should be tired to a pole and jabbed( twice)

What we are saying is don't get jabbed thats fine, but deal with the consequences which are
- you cant work ( plenty of examples outside the nrl there)
- live with lock outs ( like nt - the unvaxxed get locked out of everything)
- don't see family again
Etc

You do realise if we all said no to the vax we would all be lockdown still?

It’s been a while since I’ve agreed with Cat, but here it is. I not saying either that they should be forced to do it, they’re free to say no. But freedom of choice isn’t freedom of consequence.

If the element of coercion exists, there is no freedom of choice. It's quite simple.

cat wrote: ↑November 24, 2021, 12:56 pm What coercion?

No one is physically making them get vaxxed
Do you believe every nurse, doctor, teacher etc were coerced?

Botman wrote:There is no coercion
What we have here in this thread is some people who believe their actions and decisions should be consequence free.
Sorry guys, that's not how life works.

For these footballers, they have a choice to make:
they can get the vaccine and continue to earn a staggering amount of money to play footy
or
they can choose not to get a vaccine and compromise their availability to earn a staggering amount of money to play footy.

It's completely their decision. They are in the privileged position of being extremely well informed about the FACTS of this vaccine (not the insane ramblings of some idiot on youtube who's done his own research and thinks he knows more about this than millions of scientists in the field across the globe) and what it does, what it doesn't do, the success rate, potential side effects AND understand fully the consequences of their decision either way.

So now they get to make their bed, and lie in it. Welcome to being an adult.

Botman wrote:Botman; There is no coercion
What we have here in this thread is some people who believe their actions and decisions should be consequence free.
Sorry guys, that's not how life works.

cat wrote: ↑November 24, 2021, 12:56 pm What coercion?

No one is physically making them get vaxxed
Do you believe every nurse, doctor, teacher etc were coerced?

Finchy wrote: ↑November 24, 2021, 3:14 pm I'm surprised some people are pretending no-one's being coerced, just because they aren't being tied to a pole and jabbed against their will. That's not coercion.

Telling someone they'll lose their job, and won't be able to go to shops, restaurants, holidays, interstate/overseas travel to see family, etc unless they get jabbed, that's coercion.

Not saying it is or isn't justified, just that's it's coercing people to get it who otherwise wouldn't.

A large number of my colleagues, who are not "anti vaxxers", more "COVID-vaccine-hesitant", only got the jab due to the threat of losing their jobs.

Mr Squiggle wrote: ↑November 24, 2021, 4:26 pm

Finchy wrote: ↑November 24, 2021, 3:14 pm I'm surprised some people are pretending no-one's being coerced, just because they aren't being tied to a pole and jabbed against their will. That's not coercion.

Telling someone they'll lose their job, and won't be able to go to shops, restaurants, holidays, interstate/overseas travel to see family, etc unless they get jabbed, that's coercion.

Not saying it is or isn't justified, just that's it's coercing people to get it who otherwise wouldn't.

A large number of my colleagues, who are not "anti vaxxers", more "COVID-vaccine-hesitant", only got the jab due to the threat of losing their jobs.

What about the vaccinated player, coach or support staff member with an elderly or immune-compromised family member (someone who is still at a moderate risk despite being vaccinated)? They have a right to a safe workplace. Footballers are not like office workers or gardeners. They have frequent close contact with a lot of people and they have community commitments that put them in close contact with vulnerable community members.

I support choice and I don't support mandates in low risk environments, but the NRL is not low risk. There are comfortably 40+ people an unvaccinated NRL player would be in close contact with on a day to day basis, and much of that contact would be indoors in places like gyms and class rooms. Then there is the weekly close contact with another large group as well as frequent close interactions in various community settings likely involving high risk places like hospitals, disability care settings and schools (high transmission risk)

As for who is responsible. Abdo and V'Landy's are incompetent cowards. They should have made this an issue of risk, stated that unvaccinated players jeopardised the work the game does in vulnerable communities, and made it clear that any player who wasn't vaccinated by 1 January would be de-registerred.

With the stroke of a pen they could make vaccination a registration requirement, and the clubs could then act in the interests of the club as a whole, without having wooden spoons, lawsuits and fractured playing groups to contend with.

Timbo wrote: ↑November 26, 2021, 7:52 am Can someone sit outside HQ and see which two are turning up in facemasks so we can know for sure who they are?

Richo72 wrote: ↑November 26, 2021, 8:47 am As I said before, Papa getting the vaccine is a good thing for the club as he is a leader and that may help sway opinions within those holding out.

The reality is all these restrictions on the unvaccinated are designed to protect them from catching Covid. I suspect it will get to a stage where governments, etc will say “ $and@@ them” and let it rip like in Europe. At our current vaccination rates, I don’t see it being too much of a problem to open up fully. Our hospitals can cope at this stage.

I think though that to win a Premiership everything has to go well through the season with injuries and luck, etc but it also requires all players and staff to be on the same page determined to work towards a singular goal of winning a comp. Unfortunately, this vaccination issue seems to indicate we don’t quite have that at the Raiders….