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Well... this was quite a day in the world
The sitiation in Ukraine is going to be a very ugly scene for quite some time... and lets hope China dont decide that with the west trying to figure out what to do about it, now is the time to have a little nibble at Taiwan

Could be headed for a very grim period of world history.
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Botman wrote: February 24, 2022, 7:05 pm Well... this was quite a day in the world
The sitiation in Ukraine is going to be a very ugly scene for quite some time... and lets hope China dont decide that with the west trying to figure out what to do about it, now is the time to have a little nibble at Taiwan

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T_R wrote: February 24, 2022, 7:40 pm
Botman wrote: February 24, 2022, 7:05 pm Well... this was quite a day in the world
The sitiation in Ukraine is going to be a very ugly scene for quite some time... and lets hope China dont decide that with the west trying to figure out what to do about it, now is the time to have a little nibble at Taiwan

Could be headed for a very grim period of world history.
I'm pushing for Japan to take back Sakhalin while Putin's back's turned.
:lol: Wouldnt that be something!
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And bang - another 6 weeks of great powder each side of the ski season, just like that!
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hey look if invading your neighbours is a goer then we might as well take NZ on

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Our tactician would be Scomo. Pretty sure we’d lose.
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Kiwis aren't too bad though. If Australia is going to divide and conquer anywhere we should start with Queensland. But where do we ship them all off to - maybe WA?
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bonehead wrote: February 24, 2022, 9:06 pm hey look if invading your neighbours is a goer then we might as well take NZ on

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bonehead wrote: February 24, 2022, 9:06 pm hey look if invading your neighbours is a goer then we might as well take NZ on

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I must say I am shocked and appalled at the brazenness of this invasion and the complete disregard for the international rules based order that has been developed since the end of WW2.

I honestly thought that whilst there would be military action of some description, the mobilisation in Belarus and along the northern border was more just to spook Ukraine; and any military action would be consigned to the already contested Donbas.

But we literally have fighting in Kyiv.

This is all completely tragic and all based on the whims of one madman’s ego and his deluded vision for a Greater, imperialist Russia.
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Yeah its pretty awful

Reports out of Ukraine now are that they've banned men aged between 18-60 from leaving the country, there will be a mandatory conscription of troops and they've handed over 10,000 rifles to civilians around Kyiv to defend the capital

Which feels like something the Russians could use as an excuse to just gun down anything they see (which they may have done anyways)... it's going to be a very bloody and sad affair. The sanctions that are about to drop are going to make things very difficult for the Russian people too, and we're already seeing some protesting of this from their own people... just a tremendously tragic situation and one that should not be happening. Putin lust for more is going to exact a heavy toll on the world.
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Mickey_Raider wrote: February 25, 2022, 8:40 am I must say I am shocked and appalled at the brazenness of this invasion and the complete disregard for the international rules based order that has been developed since the end of WW2.

I honestly thought that whilst there would be military action of some description, the mobilisation in Belarus and along the northern border was more just to spook Ukraine; and any military action would be consigned to the already contested Donbas.

But we literally have fighting in Kyiv.

This is all completely tragic and all based on the whims of one madman’s ego and his deluded vision for a Greater, imperialist Russia.
With you 100% on that. I thought it was going to be nothing more than typical sabre rattling. Did not expect events of the past couple of days to occur. Putin has immediately become a modern day Hitler.
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The Klitschko brothers have taken up arms to defend Ukraine.

Game over..
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-PJ- wrote: February 25, 2022, 3:21 pm The Klitschko brothers have taken up arms to defend Ukraine.

Game over..
some of the stories of defiances and risilence shown by the Ukrainians is wonderful

the poor souls on Snake Island who told the Russians to go **** themselves and laid their life down to do what little could be done
reports of some dude in Kyiv giving out free pizza to anyone who shows up armed ready to fight for Ukraine
the Ghost of Kyiv, which is almost certainly either propaganda, or just people combining multiple pilots into a single being... but the story of some ace ukranian pilot cutting through the skies and downing 6 russian planes on his own... i mean im ready to watch that **** at a cinena today!

Reports are pretty consistent from experts that whilst Russia is obviously making fairly strong advances, the Ukranians are not going down without a fight and the Russians would be surprised by the level of resistence shown
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Anonymous are involved now, declaring a cyber war against Russia and disabling their state news site.

Let’s see what they can get up to.

Meanwhile, what’s the world coming to when the Taliban’s telling you to chill
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Watching the TV coverage, I feel sick to the pit of my stomach. I understand why the world is standing back… but then I don’t understand it. It’s an awful conundrum.
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Fuifui Bradbrad wrote:Anonymous are involved now, declaring a cyber war against Russia and disabling their state news site.

Let’s see what they can get up to.

Meanwhile, what’s the world coming to when the Taliban’s telling you to chill
https://www.euroweeklynews.com/2022/02/ ... ful-means/
Hope they replaced it with the Ukrainian leader’s speech. Damn if that wasn’t a **** amazing show of leadership. If you haven’t seen it, check it out. It’s targeted at the Russian people.
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greeneyed wrote:Watching the TV coverage, I feel sick to the pit of my stomach. I understand why the world is standing back… but then I don’t understand it. It’s an awful conundrum.
Damned if you do and damned if you don’t. Real **** situation…

Wonder what happens in a world where Putin is removed? Next guy in line as crazy or crazier?
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Ukraine will need help. As admirable as their courage and stoicism has been, they are just no match for the sheer size of the Russian military.

And Putin will not back down.

I fear this is about to get worse.
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I know 2/5ths of precisely nothing of the political situation.

But I think Ukraine is gone. Other countries won’t want to trigger WW3 just on Ukraine. If Russia set foot beyond Ukraine that seems like that triggers WW3.
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I think you're right to a point, gangers. Britain and France did nothing while Hitler did precisely the same thing: reclaiming what he thought was rightfully German land.
The US public did not want to enter a war.

The lesson we learned from that is appeasement makes the aggressor more aggressive.

Putin can read the room. He knows he can withstand so called sanctions. His country is resource rich and Germany is heavily reliant upon Russia for energy.
I read today NATO is ready to assist Ukraine. I'm just not sure to what extent.
If Russia is successful, it's a matter if time before they 'reclaim' further land. Maybe Georgia.

In the meantime you have China watching with great interest. We all know they want Taiwan.

Either Russia somehow completely stuff this up like they did with Afghanistan years ago (highly unlikely) or they continue to thumb their noses at world leaders.
Biden stuffed up the US retreat from Afghanistan, which I think only encouraged Putin to make this move
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dubby wrote: Biden stuffed up the US retreat from Afghanistan, which I think only encouraged Putin to make this move
You should really give up reading/watching right wing Bull sources. It’s not good for you.
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China be like whilst they be busy, lets whip up another crippling disease.

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gangrenous wrote: February 26, 2022, 8:24 am
dubby wrote: Biden stuffed up the US retreat from Afghanistan, which I think only encouraged Putin to make this move
You should really give up reading/watching right wing Bull sources. It’s not good for you.
Come on gangers. Let's not go there.
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I’m asking you not to go there. You’re being drip fed Bull day after day and it infects your opinions on climate change, covid, people of colour.

You should go somewhere else for your info that isn’t just full to the brim with propaganda and lies.
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dubby wrote: February 26, 2022, 8:41 am
gangrenous wrote: February 26, 2022, 8:24 am
dubby wrote: Biden stuffed up the US retreat from Afghanistan, which I think only encouraged Putin to make this move
You should really give up reading/watching right wing Bull sources. It’s not good for you.
Come on gangers. Let's not go there.
To be fair G the withdrawal has generally been regarded as at best messy and at worst a failure.

But I don’t think the withdrawal itself played much of a hand in prompting the invasion.

I’d say 20 years of grinding, fruitless occupation in Afghanistan can comfortably lay claim to being the primary attributing factor as to the lack of appetite for more war in the US; which as a by-product would have emboldened Putin.

And ultimately it is lazy partisan nonsense to try and blame this one on Biden.
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Wow gangagang has his knickers in a knot today.

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gangrenous wrote:I know 2/5ths of precisely nothing of the political situation.

But I think Ukraine is gone. Other countries won’t want to trigger WW3 just on Ukraine. If Russia set foot beyond Ukraine that seems like that triggers WW3.
There’s videos floating around now of Russian ships destroying Japanese merchant ships now. If they keep that up, there won’t be much choice but to get involved.

F1 have now canned the Russian GP. Mazepin will likely lose his seat because his dad’s funding his seat and is an Oligarch. Eurovision have said Russia won’t be competing. **** have put a block on Russian users, posting a message of support for Ukraine. Restrictions are getting real.
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gangrenous wrote:
Fuifui Bradbrad wrote:Anonymous are involved now, declaring a cyber war against Russia and disabling their state news site.

Let’s see what they can get up to.

Meanwhile, what’s the world coming to when the Taliban’s telling you to chill
https://www.euroweeklynews.com/2022/02/ ... ful-means/
Hope they replaced it with the Ukrainian leader’s speech. Damn if that wasn’t a **** amazing show of leadership. If you haven’t seen it, check it out. It’s targeted at the Russian people.
They’ve leaked the database of the Russian Ministry of Defence

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Question wrote: February 26, 2022, 10:54 am Wow gangagang has his knickers in a knot today.

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Its unlike him to make ad hominem comments.
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I’m sorry you interpret that as an ad hominem. It’s not intended as one - it’s genuinely that I think your life would be better if you got your information from sources that don’t treat you like garbage.

For Lent this year give it a go. Get your news from the ABC for a month and give the other stuff a miss.
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dubby wrote:
Question wrote: February 26, 2022, 10:54 am Wow gangagang has his knickers in a knot today.

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Its unlike him to make ad hominem comments.
Out of respect for a genuinely good guy, I'm walking away
Ad hominem, is that when you make comments about the quality of your mothers spaghetti?
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Gangers, all media is leaning one way or another. Some are just less discreet about it.
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I tend to agree with Dubby's view that Putin seems unlikely to be satisified with Ukraine... and if he takes Ukraine unopposed, be it in 5 years or 10 or 20, it'll be Russian funded separatist groups in Moldova that provide the pretext for them to march on into there. Or where ever else interests them... though i suspect it wont be a NATO member since that's basically a declaration of WW3... but Putin's a pretty crazy dude, and if he's got some support from places like China, North Korea, Syria... who **** knows man

Sadly for the Ukraine, any boots on the ground to help them from allied nations is assuredly the start of WW3 and i dont think anyone has the appetite for that unless it's absolutely necassary. And so sadly Ukraine and it's people will be the sacrificial lambs to buy the world more time in hopes of avoiding WW3.
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