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He's too wealthy to go to jail.

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Dr Zaius wrote:

The Nickman wrote:

Dr Zaius wrote:Thoughts on where Trump will be in 3 years time? In a gaol cell? In the oval office? 6 foot under.

The congressional hearings have been damming. The DOJ are clearly going deep in building a case against him over the classified documents.

Will it matter? Is that country so broken that he is untouchable?

He’s either going to be in jail or he’s going to be President of the United States. And I honestly keep flipping on which one.

It really does look like they’re going to nail him to the wall though, thank ****.

But which judge is going to convict him?

And if they do, what will be the response of his heavily armed red neck supporters?

There’ll be chaos. There’ll be absolute chaos, and violence. But it won’t be on as large a scale as people think, and the law should be able to get it under control

However, if they DON’T do something now they could face the very unraveling of their democracy if they let the **** back in power… and I think everyone is realising this now

It could all be a moot point anyway… He’s absolutely unraveling over on Truth Social the Last week after the FBI raid, it really is a site to behold

It is the most trite take ever to marvel at Trump but I had a peek at one of his recent rally videos yesterday.

Just the laziest exhibition of demagoguery and populism imaginable.

gergreg wrote: ↑September 2, 2022, 9:03 pm He's too wealthy to go to jail.

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Just like Bill Clinton, hey?

Didn't stop the likes of Bill Cosby or Epstein from justice.

The guy is genuinely a danger to democracy the world over, I’d love nothing more to see the **** locked up tomorrow, just deal with the consequences and his nutjobs when it happens.

Otherwise the problem could be so much worse in another few years, particularly if he gains power again.

You're deluded mate.

A good bloke? Sure. But misguided

dubby wrote:

gergreg wrote: ↑September 2, 2022, 9:03 pm He's too wealthy to go to jail.

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Just like Bill Clinton, hey?

Didn't stop the likes of Bill Cosby or Epstein from justice.

Comparing Bill Clinton to Donald Trump is pretty disingenuous, dubs… even for you

dubby wrote:You're deluded mate.

A good bloke? Sure. But misguided

Of COURSE you’re a Trump supporter dubs, of course you are, but answer me just one question… why?

In fact, answer me another question too… why do you believe all the most **** things? You’re a good guy at heart, why do you support all the most horrible people and nasty beliefs? Makes no sense to me.

The Nickman wrote: ↑September 2, 2022, 9:57 pm

dubby wrote:

gergreg wrote: ↑September 2, 2022, 9:03 pm He's too wealthy to go to jail.

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Just like Bill Clinton, hey?

Didn't stop the likes of Bill Cosby or Epstein from justice.

Comparing Bill Clinton to Donald Trump is pretty disingenuous, dubs… even for you

Look into the Clinton's mate. They're a morally extinct mob.

Not excusing the Don. I believe all politicians are lying disgusting humans. If I had my way....TR would rule the earth, Fergus would be treasurer and you'd be minister for sport

dubby wrote:

The Nickman wrote: ↑September 2, 2022, 9:57 pm

dubby wrote:

gergreg wrote: ↑September 2, 2022, 9:03 pm He's too wealthy to go to jail.

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Just like Bill Clinton, hey?

Didn't stop the likes of Bill Cosby or Epstein from justice.

Comparing Bill Clinton to Donald Trump is pretty disingenuous, dubs… even for you

Look into the Clinton's mate. They're a morally extinct mob.

Not excusing the Don. I believe all politicians are lying disgusting humans. If I had my way....TR would rule the earth, Fergus would be treasurer and you'd be minister for sport

Bill Clinton slept with an intern… Donald Trump incited an armed mob and tried to overturn a democratic election to retain power.

One of these things is not like the other.

Wait, wait… are you about to tell me that the world is run by satanic globalist pedophiles?

Anyone.....ANYONE defending the Clinton's while bashing Trump is blinded by political bias.


Again.... I'm not defending Don.

But both sides are morally inept. It's how it's presented

That’s absolute garbage dubs, I’m not blinded by political blindness, I’m not even left-wing!

Now you’re just throwing out grade a bullplop

I think if anyone here is misguided by their beliefs… it’s you

The Nickman wrote: ↑September 2, 2022, 10:05 pm Wait, wait… are you about to tell me that the world is run by satanic globalist pedophiles?

Wait what?

No.

I want the world to be run by TR and Fergus.

You'd have a say. Probably build Rocky a huge stadium you dodgy bugger

dubby wrote:

The Nickman wrote: ↑September 2, 2022, 10:05 pm Wait, wait… are you about to tell me that the world is run by satanic globalist pedophiles?

Wait what?

No.

I want the world to be run by TR and Fergus.

You'd have a say. Probably build Rocky a huge stadium you dodgy bugger

Look, TR and Fergus are definitely not pedophiles, but one of them is satanic and the other is a globalist, I’ll let you figure out which is which, but neither of them are **** stars!

Well.

Not recently.

Neither of them are liars, idiots, a **** star or a communist

The Nickman wrote:The guy is genuinely a danger to democracy the world over, I’d love nothing more to see the **** locked up tomorrow, just deal with the consequences and his nutjobs when it happens.

Otherwise the problem could be so much worse in another few years, particularly if he gains power again.

I think Democracy is having a bit of a **** time lately where self-serving twats are making authoritarian regimes look better than they should.

Need to make sure people like Trump and ScoMo get what’s coming to them (jail and broad recognition of a failure to advance our country respectively) to get our Democracy back on the rails and electing people who want to improve the place for everyone.

Really need it to be politically unviable for the LNP to have people like Dutton and Joyce in their leadership.

I hope they don't put Trump in jail. I hope he runs again and gets slaughtered in the polls. That is the best way for the democracy brand to recover. The best possible result is that this happens in the primaries.

Boomercm wrote:I hope they don't put Trump in jail. I hope he runs again and gets slaughtered in the polls. That is the best way for the democracy brand to recover. The best possible result is that this happens in the primaries.

Yeah, agree entirely.

The Nickman wrote: ↑September 3, 2022, 9:03 am

Boomercm wrote:I hope they don't put Trump in jail. I hope he runs again and gets slaughtered in the polls. That is the best way for the democracy brand to recover. The best possible result is that this happens in the primaries.

Yeah, agree entirely.

Look to the mid terms in November as a potential gauge of where things are at. Typically incumbent governments get destroyed.

Apparently there has been a recent uptick in approval for the Dems in light of the trump stuff, Roe v Wade, a slight easing in oil prices and inflation, and a few legislative wins.

If the republicans don’t regain control of congress, it could portend that things may not be tracking that well in MAGA land for 2024.

The Nickman wrote:

Boomercm wrote:I hope they don't put Trump in jail. I hope he runs again and gets slaughtered in the polls. That is the best way for the democracy brand to recover. The best possible result is that this happens in the primaries.

Yeah, agree entirely.

How about he runs, gets slaughtered and then gets put in jail?

I mean it’d be nice to have signs that Democracy is learning from it’s mistakes and not electing toxic people. Be good news for the future.

But on the flip side I think we also need to see consequences for criminal behaviour. Have confidence that the systems are strong enough to bring justice. Not that if you’ve got enough fans and money, you can sit there, call red blue and do things that undermine society.

gangrenous wrote: ↑September 3, 2022, 9:22 am

The Nickman wrote:

Boomercm wrote:I hope they don't put Trump in jail. I hope he runs again and gets slaughtered in the polls. That is the best way for the democracy brand to recover. The best possible result is that this happens in the primaries.

Yeah, agree entirely.

How about he runs, gets slaughtered and then gets put in jail?

I mean it’d be nice to have signs that Democracy is learning from it’s mistakes and not electing toxic people. Be good news for the future.

But on the flip side I think we also need to see consequences for criminal behaviour. Have confidence that the systems are strong enough to bring justice. Not that if you’ve got enough fans and money, you can sit there, call red blue and do things that undermine society.

Or he runs…and wins?

Non-mandatory voting systems heavily rely on voting base enthusiasm.

2/3s of people might be utterly repulsed by Trump but he could still get up if there is an asymmetry of enthusiasm.

We’re talking what we’d like to see as opposed to predictions or apocalyptic possibilities

gangrenous wrote:

The Nickman wrote:

Boomercm wrote:I hope they don't put Trump in jail. I hope he runs again and gets slaughtered in the polls. That is the best way for the democracy brand to recover. The best possible result is that this happens in the primaries.

Yeah, agree entirely.

How about he runs, gets slaughtered and then gets put in jail?

I mean it’d be nice to have signs that Democracy is learning from it’s mistakes and not electing toxic people. Be good news for the future.

But on the flip side I think we also need to see consequences for criminal behaviour. Have confidence that the systems are strong enough to bring justice. Not that if you’ve got enough fans and money, you can sit there, call red blue and do things that undermine society.

I'll have one of these thanks.

dubby wrote:Anyone.....ANYONE defending the Clinton's while bashing Trump is blinded by political bias.


Again.... I'm not defending Don.

But both sides are morally inept. It's how it's presented

Enlighten us Dubby. What have the Clintons done that are in any way comparable to Trump?

HOLY ****, did i just stumble into something!

Mickey_Raider wrote: ↑September 2, 2022, 9:33 pm It is the most trite take ever to marvel at Trump but I had a peek at one of his recent rally videos yesterday.

Just the laziest exhibition of demagoguery and populism imaginable.

Indeed. It's just hitting all the classics and people think its something new.

FWIW i dont think he'll get back in, and nor do i think he'll end up in jail... thought maybe he should. I think (perhaps naively so) that this will all sort of peter out. Ive rarely been right on these things though so take that for what it's worth

Dr Zaius wrote: ↑September 3, 2022, 11:43 am

dubby wrote:Anyone.....ANYONE defending the Clinton's while bashing Trump is blinded by political bias.


Again.... I'm not defending Don.

But both sides are morally inept. It's how it's presented

Enlighten us Dubby. What have the Clintons done that are in any way comparable to Trump?

Prepare for some pizza gate nonsense.

The Nickman wrote: ↑September 2, 2022, 5:43 pm

Dr Zaius wrote:Thoughts on where Trump will be in 3 years time? In a gaol cell? In the oval office? 6 foot under.

The congressional hearings have been damming. The DOJ are clearly going deep in building a case against him over the classified documents.

Will it matter? Is that country so broken that he is untouchable?

He’s either going to be in jail or he’s going to be President of the United States. And I honestly keep flipping on which one.

It really does look like they’re going to nail him to the wall though, thank ****.

Nah won’t be president again he’s lost too many Republicans, Desantis will be their next nominee.

Can’t see him going to gaol either unfortunately but I do see him being under house containment (or whatever it’s called).

He’s done too much with the records to get away with it or be president again.

The Nickman wrote: ↑September 2, 2022, 10:02 pm

dubby wrote:

The Nickman wrote: ↑September 2, 2022, 9:57 pm

dubby wrote:

gergreg wrote: ↑September 2, 2022, 9:03 pm He's too wealthy to go to jail.

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Just like Bill Clinton, hey?

Didn't stop the likes of Bill Cosby or Epstein from justice.

Comparing Bill Clinton to Donald Trump is pretty disingenuous, dubs… even for you

Look into the Clinton's mate. They're a morally extinct mob.

Not excusing the Don. I believe all politicians are lying disgusting humans. If I had my way....TR would rule the earth, Fergus would be treasurer and you'd be minister for sport

Bill Clinton slept with an intern… Donald Trump incited an armed mob and tried to overturn a democratic election to retain power.

One of these things is not like the other.

Add to that stole classified documents which has potentially put the US at high security risk.

IMO They will never put an ex-president or current president for that matter in goal. It would just make the US look weak and destabilase the country.
I think the best you can hope for is charges bought against him, hopefully taking the wind out of his sails coming up to the election.

Riaan wrote: ↑September 7, 2022, 12:36 pm IMO They will never put an ex-president or current president for that matter in goal. It would just make the US look weak and destabilase the country.
I think the best you can hope for is charges bought against him, hopefully taking the wind out of his sails coming up to the election.

Not locking him up makes them look even weaker, he stole top secret nuclear documents and who knows what he did with them, last people who stole nuclear information were executed.

Manbush wrote:

Riaan wrote: ↑September 7, 2022, 12:36 pm IMO They will never put an ex-president or current president for that matter in goal. It would just make the US look weak and destabilase the country.
I think the best you can hope for is charges bought against him, hopefully taking the wind out of his sails coming up to the election.

Not locking him up makes them look even weaker, he stole top secret nuclear documents and who knows what he did with them, last people who stole nuclear information were executed.

Is it too much to hope for EDIT?

Manbush wrote: ↑September 7, 2022, 3:12 pm

Riaan wrote: ↑September 7, 2022, 12:36 pm IMO They will never put an ex-president or current president for that matter in goal. It would just make the US look weak and destabilase the country.
I think the best you can hope for is charges bought against him, hopefully taking the wind out of his sails coming up to the election.

Not locking him up makes them look even weaker, he stole top secret nuclear documents and who knows what he did with them, last people who stole nuclear information were executed.

Regardless he won’t be seeing the inside of a prison cell. People thinking he will are getting their hopes and will be pretty disappointed. Even if it’s all true.