2022 Rd 8 V Warriors: Game Day

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Who will win?

Raiders 13+
4
29%
Raiders 1-12
2
14%
Draw
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Warriors 1-12
4
29%
Warriors 13+
4
29%
 
Total votes: 14

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I'm certainly happy to give Schneider a good go. It's not like there is much better

But yesterday was a worry. We actually won the ruck. I feel like his skills just aren't quite nrl standard. Kicks a little heavy, decisions a little slow, etc

He's being eaten up by defensive lines too suggesting teams don't fear him too much. Again our glacial slow passing doesn't help the kid either. Especially from hooker
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greeneyed wrote: April 30, 2022, 11:16 pm
RedRaider wrote: April 30, 2022, 7:02 pm I think Ricky will hire the overhead projector from the Parramatta Club basement and give the players some home truths when they get back to Canberra.
It’s not all the players’ fault. By no means is it all the players’ fault. Some accountability needs to be taken by coaches and management.
Agreed GE. I based my post on Sticky's comments after the game that from a public point of view it's not something he wanted to discuss at a press conference. Clearly he wants to speak to the players behind closed doors.

I watched the Footy Show this morning and Brad Fittler and Billy Slater both felt that Lodge should have been in the bin for his forearm to the face of CHN. They were also critical of the bunker for the HorsPower tackle on Lodge which the ref was ok with, but the bunker intervened. Both said that penalty should have been 'play on'. I don't say the Ref and the bunker were the reason for our defeat that was all on us.
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Botman wrote:
gergreg wrote: May 1, 2022, 12:35 pm
Canberra Milk wrote:Schneider has been a pass mark at best in most categories. I don't think you could make a case that he's better than average in any one facet

I'm with Botman, I think chances of him being a quality primary half are slim to minute. Maybe he can do a job as secondary/supporting playmaker as an all-rounder, possibly

A key thing for me is that he's got no running game. He's not fast or evasive at all. That weakens his ballplaying options substantially (his ballrunners will just get picked off). I mean rugby league's not rocket science. I think for a half, the foundation is being fast/evasive. Even Sam Williams had enough to beat a hesitating defence
Currently the best halfback in the game is probably Cleary? The first few years he came into the comp he was criticised for a lack of creativity. To begin with he based his game on mistake free effort plays. Strong defender, kick to the corners and chase hard, direct the team around the park. Now he does much more but that is how you develop a player. We are crap at it. Schneider doesn't need to change much because his effort is pretty good - except I'd like to see him straighten up the attack more. He crabs across too much. Watch Cleary... he sets up the backline play by straightening up.
There is a gulf of difference between the level of creativity Cleary showed in his rookie year and Schneider

Cleary was criticised for his creative and people questioned if he was creative enough to play rep footy. It was evident from his first year that he was an Nrl first grade quality half.

It’s levels guys.
Cleary was mercilessly bagged his first two years. They simplified his game to focus on the basics - similar to how Wighton developed in the 6 jersey. Too much responsibility has been lumped on Schneider IMO. Wighton played well early in the year, carrying the side. Where has that gone?

Schneider isn't ready obviously. But he isn't the problem (noting: im not suggesting that you think he is the problem), we need more from our leaders. Wighton. Papalii has got to get some form back. Cotric should be dropped. Rapana has been pretty ordinary. Our senior players are letting down the young guys. Tapine is playing well, consistently but nobody else is. It's like the entire club has decided its all too hard because we lost our hooker and half. Meanwhile the Roosters had a genuine injury crisis last year and they still played finals football.
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Cleary comparisons... he was seen as a star from the start though, wasn't he? My memory of his early days at Penrith are pretty vague but that's how I recall it

I grant yes, his running game may have been quiet. He did show eventually that he does have one though
Cleary was criticised for his creative and people questioned if he was creative enough to play rep footy. It was evident from his first year that he was an Nrl first grade quality half.
Hmm yes, that's how I recall it too

Actually I still don't think he's *that* creative. Hence it's such a great combo, him and Luai. Complement each other. But he's technically amazing with kicking and passing. I guess Schneider could go down that route but I'm not sure I'm seeing that from him either. Some can add and develop skills and some can't, It can be hard to predict
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NRL legends rip into 'awful' referee calls against Canberra Raiders in loss to Warriors





Raiders fans had more than one reason to be disappointed after Canberra's golden point 21-20 loss to the Warriors on Saturday, with NRL legends ripping into the officiating against the men in green.

"The footy gods definitely didn't turn up, because Matt Lodge elbows a bloke in the head, and just gets penalised, then lies down after getting a little tap on the forehead and that draws the game and gives them a chance to win," Fittler said on Nine's Sunday Footy Show.

Read more: https://www.canberratimes.com.au/story/ ... /?cs=14239

Brad Fittler rips NRL Bunker as Warriors prop Matt Lodge escapes ban for elbowing opponent: https://wwos.nine.com.au/nrl/news-2022- ... da9df8689c

Raiders chief executive Don Furner defends Ricky Stuart despite 'inexcusable' start to the season

Raiders chief executive Don Furner has defended under pressure coach Ricky Stuart, instead placing the blame for five straight losses on the players. Michael Chammas spoke to Furner on Sunday and reported he was "quite scathing" of the team's performance in recent weeks.

Read more: https://wwos.nine.com.au/nrl/canberra-r ... 9275d65548

Raiders stick by coach amid form slump: Canberra bosses are sticking by coach Ricky Stuart, and putting blame on the players for the club's form slump: https://wwos.nine.com.au/videos/nrl/rai ... q8edwv4k4f

‘Embarrassed’ Raiders coach Ricky Stuart issues apology to ‘any real fans we’ve got left’: https://7news.com.au/sport/rugby-league ... -c-6632528
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greeneyed wrote: "The footy gods definitely didn't turn up, because Matt Lodge elbows a bloke in the head, and just gets penalised, then lies down after getting a little tap on the forehead and that draws the game and gives them a chance to win," Fittler said on Nine's Sunday Footy Show.
Correction Fittler - Lodge elbows a guy in the head and RECEIVES a penalty!
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gangrenous wrote:
greeneyed wrote: "The footy gods definitely didn't turn up, because Matt Lodge elbows a bloke in the head, and just gets penalised, then lies down after getting a little tap on the forehead and that draws the game and gives them a chance to win," Fittler said on Nine's Sunday Footy Show.
Correction Fittler - Lodge elbows a guy in the head and RECEIVES a penalty!
Lodge got penalized in attack, it was BMM that elbowed and got the penalty for Tapine pushing him in the face after.

Tapine got put on report for it.
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gergreg wrote: May 1, 2022, 2:09 pm
Botman wrote:
gergreg wrote: May 1, 2022, 12:35 pm
Canberra Milk wrote:Schneider has been a pass mark at best in most categories. I don't think you could make a case that he's better than average in any one facet

I'm with Botman, I think chances of him being a quality primary half are slim to minute. Maybe he can do a job as secondary/supporting playmaker as an all-rounder, possibly

A key thing for me is that he's got no running game. He's not fast or evasive at all. That weakens his ballplaying options substantially (his ballrunners will just get picked off). I mean rugby league's not rocket science. I think for a half, the foundation is being fast/evasive. Even Sam Williams had enough to beat a hesitating defence
Currently the best halfback in the game is probably Cleary? The first few years he came into the comp he was criticised for a lack of creativity. To begin with he based his game on mistake free effort plays. Strong defender, kick to the corners and chase hard, direct the team around the park. Now he does much more but that is how you develop a player. We are crap at it. Schneider doesn't need to change much because his effort is pretty good - except I'd like to see him straighten up the attack more. He crabs across too much. Watch Cleary... he sets up the backline play by straightening up.
There is a gulf of difference between the level of creativity Cleary showed in his rookie year and Schneider

Cleary was criticised for his creative and people questioned if he was creative enough to play rep footy. It was evident from his first year that he was an Nrl first grade quality half.

It’s levels guys.
Cleary was mercilessly bagged his first two years. They simplified his game to focus on the basics - similar to how Wighton developed in the 6 jersey. Too much responsibility has been lumped on Schneider IMO. Wighton played well early in the year, carrying the side. Where has that gone?

Schneider isn't ready obviously. But he isn't the problem (noting: im not suggesting that you think he is the problem), we need more from our leaders. Wighton. Papalii has got to get some form back. Cotric should be dropped. Rapana has been pretty ordinary. Our senior players are letting down the young guys. Tapine is playing well, consistently but nobody else is. It's like the entire club has decided its all too hard because we lost our hooker and half. Meanwhile the Roosters had a genuine injury crisis last year and they still played finals football.
I have to say I agree with everything you’ve written there Gergs
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gangrenous wrote: May 1, 2022, 6:05 pm
greeneyed wrote: "The footy gods definitely didn't turn up, because Matt Lodge elbows a bloke in the head, and just gets penalised, then lies down after getting a little tap on the forehead and that draws the game and gives them a chance to win," Fittler said on Nine's Sunday Footy Show.
Correction Fittler - Lodge elbows a guy in the head and RECEIVES a penalty!
Never let the truth get in the way of a good conspiracy Gangers - don’t ever change big guy :lol:
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Postman Pat wrote:
gangrenous wrote:
greeneyed wrote: "The footy gods definitely didn't turn up, because Matt Lodge elbows a bloke in the head, and just gets penalised, then lies down after getting a little tap on the forehead and that draws the game and gives them a chance to win," Fittler said on Nine's Sunday Footy Show.
Correction Fittler - Lodge elbows a guy in the head and RECEIVES a penalty!
Lodge got penalized in attack, it was BMM that elbowed and got the penalty for Tapine pushing him in the face after.

Tapine got put on report for it. Image
Ah of course! My bad

Retracted Mr.Fittler!
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Billy Walker wrote: Never let the truth get in the way of a good conspiracy Gangers - don’t ever change big guy :lol:
Well that’s a daft thing to say about the conspiracy since what I said happened. I just mixed up who it was.
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Like the time Elvis walked on the moon. I mean it happened but I may have mixed it up….
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So what’s my conspiracy then?
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Good ol donny come to the rescue of ricky, how long till senior players start speaking up?


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Just need the bounce of the ball to go our way..a bit of luck !!!
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-PJ- wrote:Just need the bounce of the ball to go our way..a bit of luck !!!
Yeah that's it. With a bit of luck we'd be top 2

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Elcaptcroker wrote:Good ol donny come to the rescue of ricky, how long till senior players start speaking up?


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The WAGs are more likely to speak up.
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Chammas also said Canberra's underperforming players were on notice.

"Don't be surprised if there's a mass cleanout at the Raiders over the summer if these results continue to go against them," he said.

That's what we need - including the coach and the CEO.
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Elcaptcroker wrote: May 1, 2022, 7:01 pm Good ol donny come to the rescue of ricky, how long till senior players start speaking up?


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Lol just heard that, wow. I always love the line, "it's not the coach out there missing tackles, dropping balls etc"

Ok, so why are we paying the coach then? Why do we have a coach at all? If it's all on the players, just save your money and don't have one

Gives credence to the idea that we'd do a cleanout of the players before the coach
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:lol: So let me get this straight... if the loses keep coming, there is expected to be a mass clear out of players...

Imagine for a moment, if you will, my **** surprise.
Im more convinced than ever!
Loses are simply going to expidite the time frame to NEXT era of the Stuart Raiders, a total rebuild, and he'll be extended to provide him the job security and freedom to complete that task.
Hear me now, beleive me later, Stuart's here for at least another 5 years
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Botman wrote:Image So let me get this straight... if the loses keep coming, there is expected to be a mass clear out of players...

Imagine for a moment, if you will, my **** surprise.
Im more convinced than ever!
Loses are simply going to expidite the time frame to NEXT era of the Stuart Raiders, a total rebuild, and he'll be extended to provide him the job security and freedom to complete that task.
Hear me now, beleive me later, Stuart's here for at least another 5 years
I thought we were in a rebuild? And if we're not I'm genuinely concerned what a rebuild is? Probably clear out all the promising juniors and replace them with plodders/journey men.
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gergreg wrote: May 1, 2022, 8:03 pm
Botman wrote:Image So let me get this straight... if the loses keep coming, there is expected to be a mass clear out of players...

Imagine for a moment, if you will, my **** surprise.
Im more convinced than ever!
Loses are simply going to expidite the time frame to NEXT era of the Stuart Raiders, a total rebuild, and he'll be extended to provide him the job security and freedom to complete that task.
Hear me now, beleive me later, Stuart's here for at least another 5 years
I thought we were in a rebuild? And if we're not I'm genuinely concerned what a rebuild is? Probably clear out all the promising juniors and replace them with plodders/journey men.
Brother, you dont go grab Fogarty if you think you're in a rebuild. You dont dig your heels in on Hodgson if you think you're in a rebuild. You dont sign character concerns to 1 year deals if you think you're in rebuild... This is a team built with the vision of competing. Stuart thought this squad could be a contender.

The next step will be to realise its over.
Short of falling into some destiny altering talent we're years away from being years away.
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gergreg wrote:
Elcaptcroker wrote:Good ol donny come to the rescue of ricky, how long till senior players start speaking up?


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The WAGs are more likely to speak up.
I dont care who speaks up but someone who is a key member and not just one of the lower plodders needs to apply pressure, like shillington did to furner


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Elcaptcroker wrote:
gergreg wrote:
Elcaptcroker wrote:Good ol donny come to the rescue of ricky, how long till senior players start speaking up?


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The WAGs are more likely to speak up.
I dont care who speaks up but someone who is a key member and not just one of the lower plodders needs to apply pressure, like shillington did to furner


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Like Hodgson did last year?
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Botman wrote:
gergreg wrote: May 1, 2022, 8:03 pm
Botman wrote:Image So let me get this straight... if the loses keep coming, there is expected to be a mass clear out of players...

Imagine for a moment, if you will, my **** surprise.
Im more convinced than ever!
Loses are simply going to expidite the time frame to NEXT era of the Stuart Raiders, a total rebuild, and he'll be extended to provide him the job security and freedom to complete that task.
Hear me now, beleive me later, Stuart's here for at least another 5 years
I thought we were in a rebuild? And if we're not I'm genuinely concerned what a rebuild is? Probably clear out all the promising juniors and replace them with plodders/journey men.
Brother, you dont go grab Fogarty if you think you're in a rebuild. You dont dig your heels in on Hodgson if you think you're in a rebuild. You dont sign character concerns to 1 year deals if you think you're in rebuild... This is a team built with the vision of competing. Stuart thought this squad could be a contender.

The next step will be to realise its over.
Short of falling into some destiny altering talent we're years away from being years away.
Haha, yeah I guess it's just us idiot supporters that see a transition to Savage, HSS, Timoko, Starling, Rushton and Mooney as a rebuild and further explains the obvious resistance to that transition from Stick?
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The Nickman wrote: May 1, 2022, 9:41 pm
Elcaptcroker wrote:
gergreg wrote:
Elcaptcroker wrote:Good ol donny come to the rescue of ricky, how long till senior players start speaking up?


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The WAGs are more likely to speak up.
I dont care who speaks up but someone who is a key member and not just one of the lower plodders needs to apply pressure, like shillington did to furner


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Like Hodgson did last year?
:lol: Didn’t that make him unpopular with the fans. I thought he spoke very well and made good sense, and if giving the (c) isn’t a statement then what is?
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The Nickman wrote:
Elcaptcroker wrote:
gergreg wrote:
Elcaptcroker wrote:Good ol donny come to the rescue of ricky, how long till senior players start speaking up?


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The WAGs are more likely to speak up.
I dont care who speaks up but someone who is a key member and not just one of the lower plodders needs to apply pressure, like shillington did to furner


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Like Hodgson did last year?
I dont think hodgeson went as hard as shillington if i remember, didnt he come out and told the media that they couldnt play under dave anymore?


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Haha so you’re saying Hodgson should’ve gone harder?

Righto then....
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‘It’s not the coach out there dropping balls’

No. It’s the couch potato so called experts who pays their hard earned cash to support his team… right Stick?
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It was the coach who put Rapana at fullback...Enough said. That coaching decision cost us the game really
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Coastalraider wrote:‘It’s not the coach out there dropping balls’

No. It’s the couch potato so called experts who pays their hard earned cash to support his team… right Stick?
Well you’re obviously not a *checks notes* “real fan”
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Raiders666 wrote: May 2, 2022, 9:43 am It was the coach who put Rapana at fullback...Enough said. That coaching decision cost us the game really
Can't play Savage there, he might make a mistake!
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Well there it is people,super coach is here forever... Don said it without actually saying it :shock:
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Ricky Stuart has the full support of the board. :hmmm
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Coastalraider wrote: May 2, 2022, 9:20 am ‘It’s not the coach out there dropping balls’
It's also not the coach who seems to have any solution to the problems. For the second season in a row now.
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