2022 Rd 19 V Warriors: Game Day

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Who will win?

Raiders 13+
2
22%
Raiders 1-12
5
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2
22%
Warriors 1-12
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greeneyed wrote: July 24, 2022, 12:13 am
GreenMachine wrote: July 24, 2022, 12:03 am And you completely ignore that Josh Papalli was the best player in our team across the Hodgson/Croker era…easily our best option for captain and arguably would still be captain ahead of Whitehead…

Tapine and even Wighton (who I have a problem with as a half) are better leaders than Whitehead TODAY….but Ricky can’t get out of his own way when it comes to Whitehead…which will end up costing us..

Like I said…in a loop.
Where does Papalii come in? He’s never been named captain.

Campese was named captain by David Furner.

Croker and Hodgson led the Raiders to a Grand Final as captains.

You have an issue with Elliott Whitehead as captain. Why not just say that?

But, yes, a strange loop is a bit mind bending.

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Spot on.
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Finchy wrote: July 23, 2022, 7:43 pm
Riaan wrote: July 23, 2022, 7:41 pm
Botman wrote: July 23, 2022, 6:42 pm
Austezer84 wrote: July 23, 2022, 6:33 pm Absolutely agree, CHN changed the right side. Jack and Jam were great in second half, Taps should be Captain. Huge win, it's same score as R19 2020 when Chris Sutton was also ref!
It cannot be overstated how much having a genuine strike player, who can run lines that draw in and freeze defenders helps the shape, structure and spacing of an attacking edge

His play allows men outside him more room, he naturally straights the attack himself or allows the fullback and centres time and space to straighten up and attack holes. Which is how you can create overlaps and easy opportunities
Not to mention his second phase game

Yes his defence isn’t always top notch, there are games he doesn’t do enough hard hit up work and yes he’s prone to a silly error or penalty.

But unquestionably he should be out starting edge forward and in my mind what he gives us is something we simply cannot afford to turn our backs on. We’re not good enough in the halves and we’re not creative enough across the field to be sitting one of our best strike players
Let’s not sugar coat it, his defence is appalling, the bench is the best spot for him because he can come on when the hard stuff has been done and as we saw today, dominate. Just being able to run some good lines isn’t enough to earn yourself a starting spot.
When the alternative is Elliott Whitehead, it is enough.
Yep. That's it in a nutshell.
well, I guess you could say that I'm buy curious.
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Botman wrote: July 23, 2022, 10:55 pm
mick63 wrote: July 23, 2022, 10:34 pm
Botman wrote: July 23, 2022, 9:52 pm I find the way RL games are commentated to be pretty annoying if im honest
For games that are very stop start, the over analysis is something that has to come, just to fill space

But for a free flowing game, and you're a tv commentator, so you expect people are watching (different to radio), yes! If you're not giving the view something worth knowing, shut up. RL TV broadcasting could take a leaf out of World Soccer's book and accept that having a few seconds of silence to let a free flowing game breathe is perfectly fine.
I’m seeing a bit of the Tony Romo syndrome creeping in whereby the RL commentators are predicting tries in the next set or next tackle.
I'd settle for a Tony Romo at this point
He might get over is skiis a bit at times with the predicting plays in advanced but there is no question he's putting in the work, studying the game, understands the nuances of it and brings enthusasim and energy to his broadcasting
That’s why Romo gets the big bucks.He comprehends the inner workings of a very complex game and can break it down into understandable thoughts and remain entertaining.

Graham Hughes was a good player who graduated to play by play commentary and could offer colour insight as well.
He should be doing some media training for this crop and the ones coming through.
It’s really pitiful quality overall what we get at the moment and has been for a long while
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Maybe I'm too young but I thought Hughes was horrible.

The problem, imo, is the tenure of so many horrific expert commentators. Roach, Slater, Cronk etc all absolutely diabolical. Most of the specialist sideline people stink too.

And the networks are too keen on a voice as their main man. The rise of Thompson and Ginnane sends shivers down my spine.

The best 3 commentators. Far and away are Smith and Voss (top 2 easy) and Matt Russell. We don't need radio personalities yelling at the audience.
well, I guess you could say that I'm buy curious.
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What happened to Mark Gasnier ?
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Did too much research.
well, I guess you could say that I'm buy curious.
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Fire up !!!!!
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He's running Australian Touch, I think.

I do agree that TV commentators are over analysing. Cronk makes everything sound like rocket science, Parker tries to sound intelligent but just mumbles away, Roach....well a bloke named Blocker sure lives up to that name. Yday he was calling for Walsh to come on, and when Walsh did get on he stunk up and Blocker said nothing.

Voss tries too hard to be funny imo.

The best commentator is Warren Smith, for mine.
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julian87 wrote: July 24, 2022, 7:36 am Maybe I'm too young but I thought Hughes was horrible.

The problem, imo, is the tenure of so many horrific expert commentators. Roach, Slater, Cronk etc all absolutely diabolical. Most of the specialist sideline people stink too.

And the networks are too keen on a voice as their main man. The rise of Thompson and Ginnane sends shivers down my spine.

The best 3 commentators. Far and away are Smith and Voss (top 2 easy) and Matt Russell. We don't need radio personalities yelling at the audience.
I didn't mind Thompson during Origin. Ginnane is terrible - largely when he puts on his fake high horse voice when he thinks something important just happened. Really amateur.
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Graeme Hughes and Ian Maurice used to be my favourites growing up, and the late Darrell Eastlake for State of Origin. Who can forget the 12th man rendition of "Piss (Pearce) off Jack, Gibbs on" Channel 10 heaps better than Channel 9 with Ray Warren, Fatty, Sterlo etc, although I did enjoy Gould's insights back then.

I think Mat Thompson keeps it simple and don't mind him. From Fox Warren Smith is good. Blocker's suffering from too many head knocks while playing, Parker, Anasta and Alexander are not insightful, the latter I hate commentating on our games. Ennis is the best out of the lot
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greeneyed wrote: July 24, 2022, 12:13 am
GreenMachine wrote: July 24, 2022, 12:03 am And you completely ignore that Josh Papalli was the best player in our team across the Hodgson/Croker era…easily our best option for captain and arguably would still be captain ahead of Whitehead…

Tapine and even Wighton (who I have a problem with as a half) are better leaders than Whitehead TODAY….but Ricky can’t get out of his own way when it comes to Whitehead…which will end up costing us..

Like I said…in a loop.
Where does Papalii come in? He’s never been named captain.

Campese was named captain by David Furner.

Croker and Hodgson led the Raiders to a Grand Final as captains.

You have an issue with Elliott Whitehead as captain. Why not just say that?

But, yes, a strange loop is a bit mind bending.

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Stuart kept Campo as captain when he had the chance to change captains at the start of his tenure…. Despite the clear signs of his decline…

Croker and Hodgson … I lost count the number of times there were calls to ship them out of the team due to form ( injuries aside). Croker was never our best left centre… that person is playing at 6 right now… that should have been the end of Croker as a permanent fixture in our backline but Ricky loves his loyalty shtick…

Hodgson was pretty much made captain to compensate for the lack of leadership from Croker when it came to gamesmanship with the referees…. Yeah that’s a great way to get the job…

Notwithstanding the continued issues with his defence and ability to strangle our attack ….. but he gave Ricky a chance to ‘right his wrong with Croker’ the back door way and not make the kong overdue decision to punt him.

Papalli should have been named captain the first chance Ricky had and we’d not be in this scenario. You could say the same about Jack, who would probably have played out a rep level career in the centres….

Now we’re stuck in the familiar loop of not being able to drop the captain, despite it being best for the team right now…
But keep telling yourself it’s not Ricky’s error in judgment, just a cranky fans point of view if that makes you feel better.
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greeneyed wrote:
Seiffert82 wrote: July 23, 2022, 4:27 pm
The Greenhouse wrote:57th min Savage really is in trouble out there.
Death riding the kid!!

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No it wasn’t. He was injured 13 minutes into the second half. He did well to stay on.
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Papalii and Wightons wrap sheets never really made for captaincy material.. I'm almost 100% sure Papalii never wanted the captaincy because he doesn't talk on field.. Prefers to let his game do the talking
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good to win, I knew we had the calibre to win that game, but gotta say, we make ordinary players...average at best.....look amazing, seriously, Montoya, DWZ, dj asi, it was frustrating, even that dragons game, Amone, suli
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Is it me or is CNH the only player in the team that can run lines yet doesn’t make the starting team behind Whitehead?


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We just need to keep winning.

Our f/a is not as good as Chooks, Manly or StMerge so let’s just keep winning.
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Botman wrote:
gergreg wrote: July 23, 2022, 7:24 pm I'm going to have to rewatch that game. I just cannot understand or believe the difference between the first and second half. How can our best and worst be so far apart?
It's absolutely WILD
And this is where we do have to give Stuart some credit
That team was a total and utter mess when it walked in that dressing room, he'd have had every right to strip paint off the walls, but all reports are he was super calm and the team responded and came out and played a very calm and composed second 40 and not only won the game but did it fairly easily in the end

We've got to be fair and give the man his dues when they're deserved.
Now that I've rewatched it yes. Full credit. It's pretty clear that the players respect him as a coach but that's the frustrating part when they outwardly respect him but don't get the results. But today shows it. 100% completions in that second half was pretty bloody impressive.

I think Fogarty has improved each week and that was a good second half from him. That first try to CHN was all on him for running a really good line but Fogarty put it where he needed it. From that point Fog controlled the game really well.
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-PJ- wrote: July 24, 2022, 9:46 am We just need to keep winning.

Our f/a is not as good as Chooks, Manly or StMerge so let’s just keep winning.
A couple of big wins would be nice haha.. Doesn't happen often these days
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Giving the Tits a right royal rogering would certainly help our f/a yes.
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Seiffert82 wrote: July 24, 2022, 9:06 am
greeneyed wrote:
Seiffert82 wrote: July 23, 2022, 4:27 pm
The Greenhouse wrote:57th min Savage really is in trouble out there.
Death riding the kid!!

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No it wasn’t. He was injured 13 minutes into the second half. He did well to stay on.
Just give him a break already!

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Roger Kenworthy wrote: July 24, 2022, 8:46 am
julian87 wrote: July 24, 2022, 7:36 am Maybe I'm too young but I thought Hughes was horrible.

The problem, imo, is the tenure of so many horrific expert commentators. Roach, Slater, Cronk etc all absolutely diabolical. Most of the specialist sideline people stink too.

And the networks are too keen on a voice as their main man. The rise of Thompson and Ginnane sends shivers down my spine.

The best 3 commentators. Far and away are Smith and Voss (top 2 easy) and Matt Russell. We don't need radio personalities yelling at the audience.
I didn't mind Thompson during Origin. Ginnane is terrible - largely when he puts on his fake high horse voice when he thinks something important just happened. Really amateur.
Love Ginnane. Love all the Fox ones actually
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Papalli shouldn’t be captain. He’s only on the field half the time and doesn’t talk. I doubt he’d want it anyway.
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greeneyed wrote: July 24, 2022, 12:43 am
GreenMachine wrote: July 24, 2022, 12:36 am
greeneyed wrote: July 24, 2022, 12:08 am
GreenMachine wrote: July 24, 2022, 12:00 am
greeneyed wrote: July 23, 2022, 11:57 pm

Go back and look at when those players were named captains. I don’t even have to check. Croker and Hodgson led the team onto the field in the 2019 Grand Final. Terry Campese was named captain under David Furner as coach. It’s ridiculous.
Go back and look at their tenure as captain…pretty much on the downward spiral washed side of their careers…

It’s ridiculous.
It is indeed ridiculous. Jarrod Croker was named captain at age 24 and had six seasons of very good football before leading the Raiders onto the field in 5he 2918 Grand Final. And then some. I mean, honestly…
😂6 seasons Of good goal kicking… don’t exaggerate
That speaks volumes. Let’s move on.
Yes Croker started declining quickly after 2019, but he was almost the best centre in the comp in 2016 along with BJ, and for years before that he was always a consistent performer, people forget how good croker actually was as a young kid too, slotted straight in and pretty much did everything fairly well, besides defence.

But his decline was huge and he was kept in the team for 2 years too long imo, pretty similar to what we are seeing with smelly now.

Also anybody who thinks whitehead needs to stay in the team because he brings “experience” you are off your head, he is the biggest passenger out there, we have more than enough experience out there as it is. (Seen someone praising whitehead for his experience in a previous post)
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Finchy wrote: July 24, 2022, 10:30 am Papalli shouldn’t be captain. He’s only on the field half the time and doesn’t talk. I doubt he’d want it anyway.
Yep, and I don’t think wighton is smart enough to be a captain :roflmao

Tapine is the obvious choice, but that’s if he is staying.

Trey mooney will be the future captain of the club as long as we play our cards right, future is actually bright for us with some of our young players coming through
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Captain isn’t just about what happens on the field, in fact that’s a fairly small part of it. The way a lot of people talk about players seems to think are just robots who don’t have personal relationships with each other at all.

You can see in the NRL that the skill level between teams is fairly comparable and the mental side of the game is often the difference between winning and losing.

As fans we have almost zero insight into the dynamics within the club, who is respected by the players who is a genuine leader off the field, who is setting the standard in training and in general professionalism.

The best coaches are man managers and know how to get the best out of the playing group they have. Typically when coaches get sacked it is because they have lost the dressing room rather than technical skills or ability.

So for these reasons I’d be backing that Ricky has a better understanding of who should be captain than people who watch the team play once a week
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Watching The Sunday Footy Show... seems like our game is going to be the only one they don't even talk about. Highlights montage only.
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LastRaider wrote: July 24, 2022, 9:38 am Is it me or is CNH the only player in the team that can run lines yet doesn’t make the starting team behind Whitehead?


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He's certainly the best at it. Young is starting to improve that aspect of backrow play (along with others).

CHN is not in the starting team because he sometimes gets a bit lost in defence and can't seem to get dumb penalties out of his game (as in, poorly chosen times to push the envelope, no upside, big down side).

Ricky is probably going to stick with Whitehead just for that but I completely agree the right side is a black hole in attack when CHH isn't there and comes alive when he is.
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greeneyed wrote: July 24, 2022, 11:54 am Watching The Sunday Footy Show... seems like our game is going to be the only one they don't even talk about. Highlights montage only.
Gave up watching years ago for that reason. Raiders need to be running 4th or better on the ladder to get any time.
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pickles wrote:Captain isn’t just about what happens on the field, in fact that’s a fairly small part of it. The way a lot of people talk about players seems to think are just robots who don’t have personal relationships with each other at all.

You can see in the NRL that the skill level between teams is fairly comparable and the mental side of the game is often the difference between winning and losing.

As fans we have almost zero insight into the dynamics within the club, who is respected by the players who is a genuine leader off the field, who is setting the standard in training and in general professionalism.

The best coaches are man managers and know how to get the best out of the playing group they have. Typically when coaches get sacked it is because they have lost the dressing room rather than technical skills or ability.

So for these reasons I’d be backing that Ricky has a better understanding of who should be captain than people who watch the team play once a week Image
Bingo.

The number of times I've seen supporters keen for the club to throw a player the captaincy just to entice him to stay. Bad idea on all levels.

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LastRaider wrote: July 24, 2022, 9:38 am Is it me or is CNH the only player in the team that can run lines yet doesn’t make the starting team behind Whitehead?


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He's certainly the best at it. Young is starting to improve that aspect of backrow play (along with others).

CHN is not in the starting team because he sometimes gets a bit lost in defence and can't seem to get dumb penalties out of his game (as in, poorly chosen times to push the envelope, no upside, big down side).

Ricky is probably going to stick with Whitehead just for that but I completely agree the right side is a black hole in attack when CHH isn't there and comes alive when he is.
Young runs some great outside in lines, but needs to get more opportunities in the red zone.

CHN likes to cut across the face of the defence to attract numbers and look for the offload. He does it well, but needs to improve his discipline in defence.

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Canberra Milk wrote: July 24, 2022, 10:23 am
Roger Kenworthy wrote: July 24, 2022, 8:46 am
julian87 wrote: July 24, 2022, 7:36 am Maybe I'm too young but I thought Hughes was horrible.

The problem, imo, is the tenure of so many horrific expert commentators. Roach, Slater, Cronk etc all absolutely diabolical. Most of the specialist sideline people stink too.

And the networks are too keen on a voice as their main man. The rise of Thompson and Ginnane sends shivers down my spine.

The best 3 commentators. Far and away are Smith and Voss (top 2 easy) and Matt Russell. We don't need radio personalities yelling at the audience.
I didn't mind Thompson during Origin. Ginnane is terrible - largely when he puts on his fake high horse voice when he thinks something important just happened. Really amateur.
Love Ginnane. Love all the Fox ones actually
Wazza is my favourite. Voss is good although can be a bit hammy. I've always liked Matt Russell - bumped into him in an elevator a few years back before a game in Auckland when I was wearing my Raiders gear on. He was backing us in, we got spanked :lol:
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Ginnane and Maroon when it's a big game, those two have great hype commentary.
Vossy and Warren Smith for week to week games.
No idea on ch9 I never listen, origin I just muted and used triple m

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Young still struggles with running lines off his half
He runs a great crash ball line off the hooker but we saw it again last night, when he’s running off the half he’s not challenging the defensive line. He runs at bodies, doesn’t find the natural angles to run into gaps or challenge the inside shoulders of defenders. Part of that is definitely Wighton and his inability to play short. Wighton can occasionally deliver a money ball long but he’s got no deft touch in the short passing game.
But a big part of it also Young just doesn’t present a good short target most of the time. You’re better off giving Young early ball out wide and letting him just see if he can make something happen. Which is why you don’t see him scoring tries like the one CHN scored on the weekend. That’s just not in his game right now.

He is improving and he is finding other ways to make impact plays (like the crash balls and chaos stuff like the grabber) and as highlighted elsewhere we have extremely limited genuine edge forward options in the squad so you live with it
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is it young or jack though? Young seems to run nicely off Starling exclusively

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bonehead wrote: July 24, 2022, 1:00 pm is it young or jack though? Young seems to run nicely off Starling exclusively

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In my mind running off a hooker and half is different
Young can and has made a ton of big plays running off all our hookers

The timing, angles and the types of defenders you’re going against is completely different when you’re trying to attack the markers and A-B gap as opposed to backline plays.

But no question at all, Jack is most certainly part of the problem. Like I said, he lacks the deft touch for a nice short ball.
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