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Who will win?

Raiders 13+
6
35%
Raiders 1-12
5
29%
Draw
1
6%
Knights 1-12
2
12%
Knights 13+
3
18%
 
Total votes: 17

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2022 Rd 23 V Knights: Teams and Previews

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Canberra Raiders V Newcastle Knights
Sunday 21 August, 4:05pm
Hunter Stadium
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TV coverage: Nine, Fox League Channel 502
Radio: ABC, Mix 106.3, 2CC

The Raiders head to Newcastle for a clash with the Knights in Round 23. Who would you like to see line up in green in this match? Name your own team, and then see how close you were when the official teams are named on the Tuesday before the match. We will have the official squads in the first post of this thread, once they are announced.

OFFICIAL SQUADS

Canberra Raiders

1. Xavier Savage
2. Nick Cotric
3. Matthew Timoko
4. Sebastian Kris
5. Jordan Rapana
6. Jack Wighton
7. Jamal Fogarty
8. Josh Papalii
9. Zac Woolford
10. Joseph Tapine
11. Hudson Young
12. Elliott Whitehead
13. Adam Elliott

14. Tom Starling
15. Emre Guler
16. Corey Horsburgh
17. Corey Harawira-Naera

18. Albert Hopoate
19. Ata Mariota
20. Matt Frawley
21. Ryan Sutton
22. Charnze Nicoll-Klokstad

Injury/Suspension

Semi Valemei, Ribs (Indefinite)
Adrian Trevilyan, Shoulder (Indefinite)
Jarrod Croker, Shoulder (Season)
Harley Smith-Shields, Knee (Season)
Josh Hodgson, Knee (Season)

Newcastle Knights

1. Tex Hoy
2. Edrick Lee
3. Dane Gagai
4. Krystian Mapapalangi
5. Dominic Young
6. Anthony Milford
7. Adam Clune
8. David Klemmer
9. Jayden Brailey
10. Daniel Saifiti
11. Tyson Frizell
12. Brodie Jones
13. Jacob Saifiti

14. Phoenix Crossland
15. Pasami Saulo
16. Simi Sasagi
17. Mathew Croker

18. Sauaso Sue
19. Chris Randall
20. Jack Johns
21. Oryn Keeley
22. Hymel Hunt

Injury/Suspension

Bradman Best, Stood down (Rd 24)
Hymel Hunt, Stood down (Rd 24)
Mitch Barnett, Thumb (Rd 25)
Kurt Mann, Quad (Rd 25)
Chris Vea'ila, Leg (Indefinite)
Kalyn Ponga, Concussion (Indefinite)
Jake Clifford, Arm (Season)
Leo Thompson, Hamstring (Season)
Lachlan Fitzgibbon, Shoulder (Season)
Bailey Hodgson, Elbow (Season)
Dylan Lucas. Pectoral (Season)

Officials

Referee: Grant Atkins
Touch judges: Phil Henderson, Jon Stone
Video referee: Gerard Sutton

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Hopefully we get Tapine back in for Guler.

I'd also start Mooney at lock and put Elliott on the bench instead of Starling. He can play dummy half for 10-15 mins if needed.

Ideally, CHN starting for Whitehead too.

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Same team that ... *checks notes* ... beat the Dragons!

Except add Tapine. And Cotric. And drop Whitehead.
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Finchy wrote: August 14, 2022, 5:42 pm Same team that ... *checks notes* ... beat the Dragons!

Except add Tapine. And Cotric. And drop Whitehead.
Tapine and Cotric to share the number 12 jersey?
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Joe Tapine is hopeful of being fit for this game.
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The Nickman wrote: August 14, 2022, 6:30 pm
Finchy wrote: August 14, 2022, 5:42 pm Same team that ... *checks notes* ... beat the Dragons!

Except add Tapine. And Cotric. And drop Whitehead.
Tapine and Cotric to share the number 12 jersey?
Yes.
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greeneyed wrote:Joe Tapine is hopeful of being fit for this game.
Ponga season over according to local radio

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1. Savage (Was great today)
2. Hoppa (Improving each game)
3. Timoko
4. Kris
5. Rapana
6. Wighton (c)
7. Fogarty
8. Papa
9. Woolford (50-30 split with Starling)
10. Tapine (c)
11. Young
12. CHN
13. Elliott
14. Starling
15. Sutton
16. Horsburgh
17. Whitehead (c)
18. Cotric
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1. Savage (Was great today)
2. Hoppa (Improving each game)
3. Timoko
4. Kris
5. Rapana
6. Wighton (c)
7. Fogarty
8. Papa
9. Woolford (50-30 split with Starling)
10. Tapine (c)
11. Young
12. CHN
13. Elliott
14. Starling
15. Sutton
16. Horsburgh
17. Whitehead (c)
18. Cotric
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1. Savage (Was great today)
2. Hoppa (Improving each game)
3. Timoko
4. Kris
5. Rapana
6. Wighton (c)
7. Fogarty
8. Papa
9. Woolford (50-30 split with Starling)
10. Tapine (c)
11. Young
12. CHN
13. Elliott
14. Starling
15. Sutton
16. Horsburgh
17. Whitehead (c)
18. Cotric
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1. Savage (Was great today)
2. Hoppa (Improving each game)
3. Timoko
4. Kris
5. Rapana
6. Wighton (c)
7. Fogarty
8. Papa
9. Woolford (50-30 split with Starling)
10. Tapine (c)
11. Young
12. CHN
13. Elliott
14. Starling
15. Sutton
16. Horsburgh
17. Whitehead (c)
18. Cotric
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1. Savage (Was great today)
2. Hoppa (Improving each game)
3. Timoko
4. Kris
5. Rapana
6. Wighton (c)
7. Fogarty
8. Papa
9. Woolford (50-30 split with Starling)
10. Tapine (c)
11. Young
12. CHN
13. Elliott
14. Starling
15. Sutton
16. Horsburgh
17. Whitehead (c)
18. Cotric
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1. Savage (Was great today)
2. Hoppa (Improving each game)
3. Timoko
4. Kris
5. Rapana
6. Wighton (c)
7. Fogarty
8. Papa
9. Woolford (50-30 split with Starling)
10. Tapine (c)
11. Young
12. CHN
13. Elliott
14. Starling
15. Sutton
16. Horsburgh
17. Whitehead (c)
18. Cotric
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Wonder what side the viking clap dude would pick?….


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We have a bit of depth now in the backs - Hoppa, Schiller and Cotric fighting it out for one wing spot.

Kris, Timoko and HSS (next year) in the centres. Some observers think Morkos is good as well.

Savage looking more and more comfortable at FB.

We should never have played Semi Valemi for 8 weeks at centre or CNK at fullback to begin with. Who knows how our season would have panned out if Savage started at FB.
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No coach in the NRL is starting their season with 20 year old rookie Savage at fullback. By his own admission he was learning how to organize a defense this year as a complete novice.
It's a hindsight pipe dream.
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Hong Kong Raider wrote: August 14, 2022, 11:02 pm We have a bit of depth now in the backs - Hoppa, Schiller and Cotric fighting it out for one wing spot.

Kris, Timoko and HSS (next year) in the centres. Some observers think Morkos is good as well.

Savage looking more and more comfortable at FB.

We should never have played Semi Valemi for 8 weeks at centre or CNK at fullback to begin with. Who knows how our season would have panned out if Savage started at FB.
You didn’t mention our highest paid centre? Also with not a lot between 3 wingers there is a good opportunity to free up the $$ we are paying Cotric. Not getting value for money with him and as you say there are others just as good or not too far off.
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Rick wrote:Wonder what side the viking clap dude would pick?….


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Sure is a mystery… he absolutely keeps his cards pretty close to his chest
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Cotric is so much better than Hopoate ****.
well, I guess you could say that I'm buy curious.
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julian87 wrote:Cotric is so much better than Hopoate ****.
Hopoate seems destined for the second row, to me

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T_R wrote:
julian87 wrote:Cotric is so much better than Hopoate ****.
Hopoate seems destined for the second row, to me

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Yeah me too. He made a break at one point and everybody seemed like they were moving in slow motion.
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Another bludger of a game, who will out plod who? i predict a bludger of a win , out plodding a rubbish Knights, them Manly will put us out of our misery next week
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Hoppa is a decent backup winger.

I don't think adding slower and slower wingers to our back 5 is a good long term solution.

For all the "could end up in the backrow" talk we've had for different players I can't remember one that Ricky actually has turned into a backrower. Not saying it's a bad idea, just that Ricky doesn't seem to do it. I wonder if the cardio requirements are so far different now to a winger/centre that they just can't do it?
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The Nickman wrote: August 15, 2022, 9:50 am
T_R wrote:
julian87 wrote:Cotric is so much better than Hopoate ****.
Hopoate seems destined for the second row, to me
Yeah me too. He made a break at one point and everybody seemed like they were moving in slow motion.
Wonder if he's capable of the same turn around as Kris. 2022 pre-season Kris was focused on sprinting and we've all seen the results. Hopoate doesn't look like he's carrying "extra" size though.
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zim wrote: August 15, 2022, 10:58 am
The Nickman wrote: August 15, 2022, 9:50 am
T_R wrote:
julian87 wrote:Cotric is so much better than Hopoate ****.
Hopoate seems destined for the second row, to me
Yeah me too. He made a break at one point and everybody seemed like they were moving in slow motion.
Wonder if he's capable of the same turn around as Kris. 2022 pre-season Kris was focused on sprinting and we've all seen the results. Hopoate doesn't look like he's carrying "extra" size though.
Kris was always quick though, despite posters on here's impressions of him.

He was the quickest top speed I saw reported by a Raider on the telstra tracker GPS for a couple of years coming into this season.

Hoppa might find a step or two as he comes back from his double knee reco's but Kris didn't suddenly get quick, he was our quickest back or close to it prior.
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BadnMean wrote: August 15, 2022, 11:30 am
zim wrote: August 15, 2022, 10:58 am
The Nickman wrote: August 15, 2022, 9:50 am
T_R wrote:
julian87 wrote:Cotric is so much better than Hopoate ****.
Hopoate seems destined for the second row, to me
Yeah me too. He made a break at one point and everybody seemed like they were moving in slow motion.
Wonder if he's capable of the same turn around as Kris. 2022 pre-season Kris was focused on sprinting and we've all seen the results. Hopoate doesn't look like he's carrying "extra" size though.
Kris was always quick though, despite posters on here's impressions of him.

He was the quickest top speed I saw reported by a Raider on the telstra tracker GPS for a couple of years coming into this season.

Hoppa might find a step or two as he comes back from his double knee reco's but Kris didn't suddenly get quick, he was our quickest back or close to it prior.
I think it is quite important for the balance of our backline that we have players with satisfactory or better speed in there. That is why Kris and Savage are important to us atm.

Whilst the likes of Cotric, Raps, HSS and Hoppa May bring other good attributes, I don’t think you would accuse any of them of being speedsters.
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julian87 wrote: August 15, 2022, 7:26 am Cotric is so much better than Hopoate ****.
Who in the right mind would possibly argue otherwise?
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BadnMean wrote: August 15, 2022, 11:30 am
zim wrote: August 15, 2022, 10:58 am
The Nickman wrote: August 15, 2022, 9:50 am
T_R wrote:
julian87 wrote:Cotric is so much better than Hopoate ****.
Hopoate seems destined for the second row, to me
Yeah me too. He made a break at one point and everybody seemed like they were moving in slow motion.
Wonder if he's capable of the same turn around as Kris. 2022 pre-season Kris was focused on sprinting and we've all seen the results. Hopoate doesn't look like he's carrying "extra" size though.
Kris was always quick though, despite posters on here's impressions of him.

He was the quickest top speed I saw reported by a Raider on the telstra tracker GPS for a couple of years coming into this season.

Hoppa might find a step or two as he comes back from his double knee reco's but Kris didn't suddenly get quick, he was our quickest back or close to it prior.
I wasn't saying Kris was a magician. In 2021 he was over sized, slower to turn, and looking like he might move into the second row at some point. He worked really hard over the off season to get his pace and agility back up.
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Cotric is being paid $600k a season and at best offers marginally more than Schiller or Hoppa.

Set aside what he did in his rookie year and objectively look at what he comparatively turning out this year and what we are paying him.

If you still think you’re right about this, take a deep breath and reconsider your arguments about how good he is while you watch other teams play finals this year.
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Billy Walker wrote: August 15, 2022, 12:58 pm Cotric is being paid $600k a season and at best offers marginally more than Schiller or Hoppa.

Set aside what he did in his rookie year and objectively look at what he comparatively turning out this year and what we are paying him.

If you still think you’re right about this, take a deep breath and reconsider your arguments about how good he is while you watch other teams play finals this year.
I think you can simultaneously believe all 3 of the following propositions:

1. Cotric is not playing up to a 600k price tag
2. Cotric is not currently producing the form he showed in 2017-2019
3. Cotric is still a superior winger to Hoppa.

I think if Cotric really focuses himself on running straight and hard and getting his work rate up on kick returns as opposed to crabbing sideways on every run, I think he can still be a quality contributor.
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We're also not paying Cotric 600k, we are paying him significantly less than that.
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It looks like most teams are kicking away from Cotric's side of the field after a few cracking games a month or so back. Our outside backs would be so much more effective if we had a better structure and a set play other than Wighton throwing a wrap around pass to Hudson Young.

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Botman wrote:We're also not paying Cotric 600k, we are paying him significantly less than that.
Yep. Guessing we’re paying $400-450k of that.

Which may or may not be about $50k too much.

Cotric certainly needs to work on his game this offseason and develop some secondary skills.
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BJ wrote: August 15, 2022, 1:35 pm
Botman wrote:We're also not paying Cotric 600k, we are paying him significantly less than that.
Yep. Guessing we’re paying $400-450k of that.

Which may or may not be about $50k too much.

Cotric certainly needs to work on his game this offseason and develop some secondary skills.
Sorry to say, but he’s in decline from here onwards. He won’t get quicker or more agile but he will slow up. He’s not uncovering new angles or skill sets that have been hiding below the surface untapped.

He will have some good games, the odd great game mixed with a lot of sub-par games. It’s not where we want $400-600k a year tied up.

Seems a great bloke and a Canberra junior and really burst onto the scene in his breakout season. I’m going to be really radical and suggest we try something different and consider reality over sentiment and see if that drives a better outcome for us.
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