Corey Harawira Naera’s career remains in limbo

[greeneyed]

Canberra Raiders stand down second-rower Corey Harawira-Naera

Canberra Raiders have reluctantly stood down Corey Harawira-Naera from all playing and training duties despite a medical specialist clearing him to make a comeback. Harawira-Naera is now seeking a second medical opinion.

In a statement from Canberra, a spokesman says: “In the opinion of our club CMO, Corey would be exposed by playing the game to a greater than usual risk of injury. The Canberra Raiders believe that in order to protect Corey’s health and wellbeing, and the club’s position, we were left with no alternative but to stand him down from training and playing immediately.”

“The first priority is Corey and his health and always will be … the same as any other player at this club. I commend our doctor on the very careful process he has undertaken in trying to give Corey every opportunity. At this stage, we will keep him involved as the blue shirt with the NSW Cup team and we want him to start work in our welfare department,” Ricky Stuart said.

Read more: https://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/sport ... df3d24fe66

Stuart says it is too early to discuss salary cap compensation or medical retirement and the club will next have discussions with the NRL CMO.

[greeneyed]

So as I read that club is going through the appropriate procedures, consistent with the contractual rights, obligations and responsibilities of the various parties. The constant attacks on the club over this are inappropriate in my view. They’re doing the right thing contractually and operating in a caring, responsible manner. Going through all the steps in a sensible, careful way.

[cat]

Daily Telegraph reporting we are finally putting an end to this, standing Corey down from training and club duties: https://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/

I think this is a positive move by the club and I support the new position the club has taken. It doesn’t seemed to be based on any new medical evidence but rather the club adjusting its posture in respect to this matter. Guess there were other levers after all.

So do I, and I think its actually in Corey's best interest too.

[Billy Walker]

Before Christmas Ricky came out in the media and made strong comments about CHN’s career being over based on the advice of club doctors.

CHN sought an opinion outside of the club that said there was no reason he couldn’t play.

The raiders have now reluctantly stood him down a number of months later despite the independent opinion CHN received.

CHN is seeking another opinion.

I am fairly confident I know how this ends. The question remains the timeframe.

The raiders are reportedly pursuing David Fifita and are hoping to get Sanders to the club shortly. It would be nice to have $600k+ freed up on the books to assist.

[The Nickman]

So as I read that club is going through the appropriate procedures, consistent with the contractual rights, obligations and responsibilities of the various parties. The constant attacks on the club over this are inappropriate in my view. They’re doing the right thing contractually and operating in a caring, responsible manner. Going through all the steps in a sensible, careful way.

Who is constantly attacking the club over this, GE?

[Neeeegz]

The wording seems a bit weird, I've seen him running water in nsw cup games, so only stood down for nrl duties, but it's good to see him helping out in other ways

[Billy Walker]

The wording seems a bit weird, I've seen him running water in nsw cup games, so only stood down for nrl duties, but it's good to see him helping out in other ways

Pay most people $600k to run water and they’d do it in a bow tie. I mean I wouldn’t, but it pays better than a milk run!

[greeneyed]

Sorry, Corey, but sometimes clubs need to protect players from themselves

Tim Gavel

When Corey Harawira-Naera suffered a seizure mid-game against the Rabbitohs in Round 13 last year, it was one of the more distressing images I have witnessed in 35 years of commentating. He hasn’t played since and the Raiders, following medical advice, have all but written off his chances of ever playing for the club again, such is the concern for his safety. For mine, the Raiders’ stance is understandable, although I have considerable sympathy for Corey.

Read more: https://the-riotact.com/sorry-corey-but ... ves/757943

[Billy Walker]

Manly can get out of a whopping contract with Schuster before the ink has hardly dried, but as I correctly predicted this one has dragged out forever. The outcome is clear and always has been. The club is in the best position it has been in for years, but imagine how much better we would be with an additional established first grader on the roster for that $600k+ money. Pick whatever position you think we most need depth in and consider what $600k+ buys you. Are you still happy with the slowly slowly compassionate response? At what point over the next 2 years of CHN career do you reach a point and agree it’s getting a little silly?

[LimeGreenMachine]

Apples oranges

Schuster has performance clauses in his contract

You seriously can not blame the club or CHN for playing this out any different.
I hope you never get injured at work and get arsed canned immediately.

If you did I'm guessing you would be at your solicitors office 1st thing the next morning.

[BJ]

I agree apples oranges. But surely the NRL could have applied a temporary circuit breaker to give all parties some time and some clear air for the medicos to go through proper processes.

The Players Union certainly haven’t been publicly advocating for CHN.

[LimeGreenMachine]

Thats the part I dont understand, we should have had some cap relief already

[Billy Walker]

Apples oranges

Schuster has performance clauses in his contract

You seriously can not blame the club or CHN for playing this out any different.
I hope you never get injured at work and get arsed canned immediately.

If you did I'm guessing you would be at your solicitors office 1st thing the next morning.

If I were injured at work and it was clear I could no longer do my job and my employer offered to work with me to ensure my contract was paid out and I was looked after I would gratefully work with them to achieve that outcome. If I stubbornly dug in hoping to continue doing a job I clearly no longer could I don’t think the solicitor would have much time to take me on as a client. Nobody is suggesting CHN be kicked to the curb and not supported. What I have suggested for a good 6 months or more is that the club has a responsibility to the other 29 players in the squad, the supporters and everyone else who are being let down through this drawn out floundering approach to to the matter.

[President Clinton]

Apples oranges

Schuster has performance clauses in his contract

You seriously can not blame the club or CHN for playing this out any different.
I hope you never get injured at work and get arsed canned immediately.

If you did I'm guessing you would be at your solicitors office 1st thing the next morning.

If I were injured at work and it was clear I could no longer do my job and my employer offered to work with me to ensure my contract was paid out and I was looked after I would gratefully work with them to achieve that outcome. If I stubbornly dug in hoping to continue doing a job I clearly no longer could I don’t think the solicitor would have much time to take me on as a client. Nobody is suggesting CHN be kicked to the curb and not supported. What I have suggested for a good 6 months or more is that the club has a responsibility to the other 29 players in the squad, the supporters and everyone else who are being let down through this drawn out floundering approach to to the matter.

It gets extremely murky when there is conflicting medical advice. And based on my experience in these matters, they are typically extremely protracted when there isn’t agreement on the best approach.

[Billy Walker]

Apples oranges

Schuster has performance clauses in his contract

You seriously can not blame the club or CHN for playing this out any different.
I hope you never get injured at work and get arsed canned immediately.

If you did I'm guessing you would be at your solicitors office 1st thing the next morning.

If I were injured at work and it was clear I could no longer do my job and my employer offered to work with me to ensure my contract was paid out and I was looked after I would gratefully work with them to achieve that outcome. If I stubbornly dug in hoping to continue doing a job I clearly no longer could I don’t think the solicitor would have much time to take me on as a client. Nobody is suggesting CHN be kicked to the curb and not supported. What I have suggested for a good 6 months or more is that the club has a responsibility to the other 29 players in the squad, the supporters and everyone else who are being let down through this drawn out floundering approach to to the matter.

It gets extremely murky when there is conflicting medical advice. And based on my experience in these matters, they are typically extremely protracted when there isn’t agreement on the best approach.

In your experience in these matters, how do you see this playing out?

[gangrenous]

Thats the part I dont understand, we should have had some cap relief already

Are we certain we don’t have cap relief already?

[greeneyed]

Thats the part I dont understand, we should have had some cap relief already

Are we certain we don’t have cap relief already?

Yes, Ricky Stuart recently said he hadn’t even thought about it yet. Though I suspect Don Furner would have, at least.


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[Billy Walker]

Who needs a 30 man squad and full salary cap? Why not give the others a head start….

[President Clinton]

Apples oranges

Schuster has performance clauses in his contract

You seriously can not blame the club or CHN for playing this out any different.
I hope you never get injured at work and get arsed canned immediately.

If you did I'm guessing you would be at your solicitors office 1st thing the next morning.

If I were injured at work and it was clear I could no longer do my job and my employer offered to work with me to ensure my contract was paid out and I was looked after I would gratefully work with them to achieve that outcome. If I stubbornly dug in hoping to continue doing a job I clearly no longer could I don’t think the solicitor would have much time to take me on as a client. Nobody is suggesting CHN be kicked to the curb and not supported. What I have suggested for a good 6 months or more is that the club has a responsibility to the other 29 players in the squad, the supporters and everyone else who are being let down through this drawn out floundering approach to to the matter.

It gets extremely murky when there is conflicting medical advice. And based on my experience in these matters, they are typically extremely protracted when there isn’t agreement on the best approach.

In your experience in these matters, how do you see this playing out?

I don’t know. But it’s not surprising that it has been handled this way.

[LimeGreenMachine]

Apples oranges

Schuster has performance clauses in his contract

You seriously can not blame the club or CHN for playing this out any different.
I hope you never get injured at work and get arsed canned immediately.

If you did I'm guessing you would be at your solicitors office 1st thing the next morning.

If I were injured at work and it was clear I could no longer do my job and my employer offered to work with me to ensure my contract was paid out and I was looked after I would gratefully work with them to achieve that outcome. If I stubbornly dug in hoping to continue doing a job I clearly no longer could I don’t think the solicitor would have much time to take me on as a client. Nobody is suggesting CHN be kicked to the curb and not supported. What I have suggested for a good 6 months or more is that the club has a responsibility to the other 29 players in the squad, the supporters and everyone else who are being let down through this drawn out floundering approach to to the matter.

So would your company pay you out if you have what CHN has and can't perform your duties .
I doubt they would as it's not a work injury, it's just preventing you doing your duties. So would you just walk away , I'll answer that. No you wouldn't.
Now what you would hope is that your insurer pays you out. Guess how long that process is.

This has to go through the process. Raiders will look after CHN but they will be hoping it'd a medical retirement, therefore Insurance payout .
Thats how it works.

[Billy Walker]

I don’t think there has ever been a suggestion that CHN wouldn’t be paid out.

[gangrenous]

Thats the part I dont understand, we should have had some cap relief already

Are we certain we don’t have cap relief already?

Yes, Ricky Stuart recently said he hadn’t even thought about it yet. Though I suspect Don Furner would have, at least.


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Weren’t there articles that Raiders had applied for cap relief?

If so, is it possible the Raiders have some form of ruling that’s not being run in the media?

[greeneyed]

Thats the part I dont understand, we should have had some cap relief already

Are we certain we don’t have cap relief already?

Yes, Ricky Stuart recently said he hadn’t even thought about it yet. Though I suspect Don Furner would have, at least.

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Weren’t there articles that Raiders had applied for cap relief?

If so, is it possible the Raiders have some form of ruling that’s not being run in the media?

There were reports to that effect, but later reports indicate they haven't sought cap relief.

[reptar]

I thought I saw a puddy tat!

[Billy Walker]

Thats the part I dont understand, we should have had some cap relief already

Are we certain we don’t have cap relief already?

Yes, Ricky Stuart recently said he hadn’t even thought about it yet. Though I suspect Don Furner would have, at least.

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Weren’t there articles that Raiders had applied for cap relief?

If so, is it possible the Raiders have some form of ruling that’s not being run in the media?

There were reports to that effect, but later reports indicate they haven't sought cap relief.

Surely the NRL wouldn’t try to wash its hands of this would they? Maybe they could make a case it is a pre-existing condition unrelated to his footy career, but can they prove that conclusively? It would be pretty rotten if they tried to shirk responsibility on this. Surely it’s a clear cut medical retirement if he can’t get back.

[Botman]

You’re continuing to miss the key point

CHN isn’t looking to obtain a medical retirement at this point in time.

He’s doing everything in his power to obtain clearance to continue his career
Until CHN himself comes to terms with his situation and is willing to work toward an outcome, then there is little the club can do. They can’t force him to give up on his career and they certainly can’t entice him to do so by blatantly breaching the salary cap as your suggestion has been.

The club has clearly made their position clear about his playing future. You’d be a fool to think they’ve not sat down with him and his management and spelled that out and put forward the opportunity to work to an outcome.

But if the player is unwilling to accept that inevitable outcome, and is seeking multiple different opinions because he does not wish to give up on his career yet that’s his right and then the club has an obligation to support him through that, both morally and contractually.

Eventually his avenues will run dry and he’ll have no option but to accept the circumstances… or he won’t, and he’ll get clearance to play. But so long as he is insisting to fight for his career it’s out of the clubs hands.

[Colk]

You’re continuing to miss the key point

CHN isn’t looking to obtain a medical retirement at this point in time.

He’s doing everything in his power to obtain clearance to continue his career
Until CHN himself comes to terms with his situation and is willing to work toward an outcome, then there is little the club can do. They can’t force him to give up on his career and they certainly can’t entice him to do so by blatantly breaching the salary cap as your suggestion has been.

The club has clearly made their position clear about his playing future. You’d be a fool to think they’ve not sat down with him and his management and spelled that out and put forward the opportunity to work to an outcome.

But if the player is unwilling to accept that inevitable outcome, and is seeking multiple different opinions because he does not wish to give up on his career yet that’s his right and then the club has an obligation to support him through that, both morally and contractually.

Eventually his avenues will run dry and he’ll have no option but to accept the circumstances… or he won’t, and he’ll get clearance to play. But so long as he is insisting to fight for his career it’s out of the clubs hands.

Seriously people need to have some empathy and stop being so cold.

If you or I had a lucrative career then you or I would try everything to maintain that lucrative career. He has every right to seek alternative advice if he so feels.

This bloke is in his late 20’s facing the possibility of never playing again. He might also not have any other skills or qualifications to fall back on at this stage. It is a reality that hopefully most people don’t have to face and if they did, it would be tough mentally to overcome

[denissnowy]

I don't think bot's post was unempathetic. He was laying out the reality in an attempt to simplify the situation for others that think CHN can simply be paid out to get him off the books (not withstanding the salary cap implications of such a pay out).

I have been following this thread for quite some time. I generally agree with the bots views. They have been balanced and recognised that he has limited knowledge of the situation.

Unfortunately bot has been pulled in, once again, to a vicious cycle, espoused by another poster that has a contrarian view that doesn't recognise the reality of the situation. That is that if the Raiders cut his contract it (which is what he/she is calling for) has salary cap implications and that the only way it doesn't is for CHN to take a medical retirement (which to date he appears unwilling to do - due to the value of his current contract and loss of potential future earnings).

[Dr Zaius]

I jumped into this late?

Just out of personal interest, have they named the condition he has the defibrillator for? Was the seizure directly related to the condition that he had has the defibrillator for (ie he arrested and had a a secondary anoxic seizure), or was that condition an incidental finding when working him up for the seizure? You'd be more inclined to give him clearance for the later.

I realise those details likely have been kept private. It's not my area of specialiality, but I wouldn't be putting my hand up to give clearance to a man that has had a previous arrest to continue training and playing an elite collision sport.

[Seiffert82]

Not sure if Billy is next level trolling or genuinely believes the club is in a position to unilaterally terminate a players contract because of a medical condition.

IMO the club has been brilliant at supporting a player to transition to a career after football, which is the main thing a near 29 year old footballer with an internal heart defibrillator needs at this point.

[Billy Walker]

I jumped into this late?

Just out of personal interest, have they named the condition he has the defibrillator for? Was the seizure directly related to the condition that he had has the defibrillator for (ie he arrested and had a a secondary anoxic seizure), or was that condition an incidental finding when working him up for the seizure? You'd be more inclined to give him clearance for the later.

I realise those details likely have been kept private. It's not my area of specialiality, but I wouldn't be putting my hand up to give clearance to a man that has had a previous arrest to continue training and playing an elite collision sport.

I can’t help with those details EDIT.

[Billy Walker]

Dale Finuccan retires on medical advice despite being contracted till 2025. I wonder how the sharks managed that and avoided him running water for another year while seeking alternative opinions? Some clubs are just lucky I guess?

https://www.news.com.au/sport/nrl/cronu ... d92cbc200c

[LimeGreenMachine]

His doctor said he can't continue


Apple oranges .

Ever watch Frozen
Let it go

[Billy Walker]

His doctor said he can't continue


Apple oranges .

Ever watch Frozen
Let it go

Our Doctors said CHN can’t continue- apples apples.

[LimeGreenMachine]

His doctor said he can't continue


Apple oranges .

Ever watch Frozen
Let it go

Our Doctors said CHN can’t continue- apples apples.

His doctors didn't

You can't be that clueless