2024 salary cap analysis: What every club’s roster is really worth

[greeneyed]

2024 salary cap analysis: What every club’s roster is really worth

Roster valuations at every NRL club reveal the Sydney Roosters yet again have a squad that is worth $2m over the salary cap and $3m more than two of their struggling rivals, Wests Tigers and the Bulldogs. On paper the glamour club is valued at $13.65m, while the salary cap for 2024 is $11.6m. This is all subjective and based on the opinions of Phil Rothfield and Brent Read in assessing the top-30 squads at the 17 NRL clubs – and not what they are actually paid. The salary appraisals show 12 clubs have recruited well and are “over the cap”.

Raiders

1 Xavier Savage $400,000
2 Jordan Rapana $420,000
3 Seb Kris $560,000
4 Matt Timoko $500,000
5 Nick Cotric $450,000
6 Kaeo Weekes $460,000
7 Jamal Fogarty $450,000
8 Josh Papalii $800,000
9 Danny Levi $380,000
10 Joe Tapine $1 million
11 Hudson Young $700,000
12 Elliott Whitehead $650,000
13 Corey Horsburgh $680,000
14 Tom Starling $430,000
15 Zac Hosking $450,000
16 Emre Guler $450,000
17 Pasami Saulo $380,000
The rest: $2.6m
Total: $11.76m
2023: $11.34m
2022: $9.48m

Read more: https://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/sport ... 39a79c80f3

[NoMan]

I think Timoko gets more like 700k on the open market. He is easily a top 5 center now, entering his prime and has no baggage.

[Billy Walker]

Somebody call the police, I’ve just witnessed a few crimes!

[Finchy]

Levi and Saulo criminally overpaid. Rapana criminally underpaid.

[papabear]

Guler and Hoskings are paid way overs on that.

TBH I like hoskings but you can't tell me going out and paying 450k on a 5th string second rower was a moneyball play.

[Billy Walker]

Guler and Hoskings are paid way overs on that.

TBH I like hoskings but you can't tell me going out and paying 450k on a 5th string second rower was a moneyball play.

There is a thread on here where there is broad consensus the hosts of NRL360 are bumbling incoherent baboons. The numbers in this thread are based on the guestimations of two of them so I wouldn’t be too outraged about any of it as it may or may not be accurate.

[greeneyed]

Why are people calling Hosking, Hoskings?

[Botman]

Friendly reminder
The cap is 11.6m across a 30 man squad

That’s 386k each if averaged evenly
Some of those numbers are on the nose but if you’re a starting calibre player in the nrl with an 11.6m cap, you’re going to get 350-400k
That’s just the economics of it now.

It wasn’t that long ago we were dealing with 5-6m salary caps and I think people who have followed the game for years haven’t really adjusted to how quickly the cap has risen

Do I think Danny Levi is worth 380k? No but the club signed him with the intention that he’d be their starter. You’re not paying first sting players less than 350k unless they’re still on the low value contracts they signed before debuting

And Billy is right to point out these are estimations from a couple of people I wouldn’t trust to run a bath

[Sid]

Based on the opinions of Phil Rothfield and Brent Read lol

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[Wiki Special]

No way Weekes would be on $460K, surely? A few other eye poppers there too.

[Finchy]

And Billy is right

Not something you'd write very often

[The Nickman]

Really shows the need the club has to go out and buy a quality hooker. You just can't compete in the NRL with one of your most important positions essentially being a bum.

Need I remind you of the Buttriss debarkle?

[dubby]

Based on the opinions of Phil Rothfield and Brent Read lol

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These blokes are deadset clueless.

[gerg]

2024 salary cap analysis: What every club’s roster is really worth

Roster valuations at every NRL club reveal the Sydney Roosters yet again have a squad that is worth $2m over the salary cap and $3m more than two of their struggling rivals, Wests Tigers and the Bulldogs. On paper the glamour club is valued at $13.65m, while the salary cap for 2024 is $11.6m. This is all subjective and based on the opinions of Phil Rothfield and Brent Read in assessing the top-30 squads at the 17 NRL clubs – and not what they are actually paid. The salary appraisals show 12 clubs have recruited well and are “over the cap”.

Raiders

1 Xavier Savage $400,000
2 Jordan Rapana $420,000
3 Seb Kris $560,000
4 Matt Timoko $500,000
5 Nick Cotric $450,000
6 Kaeo Weekes $460,000
7 Jamal Fogarty $450,000
8 Josh Papalii $800,000
9 Danny Levi $380,000
10 Joe Tapine $1 million
11 Hudson Young $700,000
12 Elliott Whitehead $650,000
13 Corey Horsburgh $680,000
14 Tom Starling $430,000
15 Zac Hosking $450,000
16 Emre Guler $450,000
17 Pasami Saulo $380,000
The rest: $2.6m
Total: $11.76m
2023: $11.34m
2022: $9.48m

Read more: https://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/sport ... 39a79c80f3

These things never add up for me. 2.6 million for the rest works out to be 200k each. Usually in a 30 player squad you're probably using about 25 players per season in the NRL.

So who is missing from that 17 that is fringe. Hoppa, Woolford, Ata, Mooney, Schiller. Are they all on 200k or below? Minimum wage at 150k isn't it? So there's no such thing as a bargain basement player anymore where you're paying them a pie and coke to counter your marquee players.


Look at Manly. They had something like 3.5 million tied up in Tommy, Jake and DCE... 800k on Schuster. It doesn't work whichever way you spin in. Can someone post the actual breakdown of the Roosters side? That'll be good for a laugh.

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[dubby]

2024 salary cap analysis: What every club’s roster is really worth

Roster valuations at every NRL club reveal the Sydney Roosters yet again have a squad that is worth $2m over the salary cap and $3m more than two of their struggling rivals, Wests Tigers and the Bulldogs. On paper the glamour club is valued at $13.65m, while the salary cap for 2024 is $11.6m. This is all subjective and based on the opinions of Phil Rothfield and Brent Read in assessing the top-30 squads at the 17 NRL clubs – and not what they are actually paid. The salary appraisals show 12 clubs have recruited well and are “over the cap”.

Raiders

1 Xavier Savage $400,000
2 Jordan Rapana $420,000
3 Seb Kris $560,000
4 Matt Timoko $500,000
5 Nick Cotric $450,000
6 Kaeo Weekes $460,000
7 Jamal Fogarty $450,000
8 Josh Papalii $800,000
9 Danny Levi $380,000
10 Joe Tapine $1 million
11 Hudson Young $700,000
12 Elliott Whitehead $650,000
13 Corey Horsburgh $680,000
14 Tom Starling $430,000
15 Zac Hosking $450,000
16 Emre Guler $450,000
17 Pasami Saulo $380,000
The rest: $2.6m
Total: $11.76m
2023: $11.34m
2022: $9.48m

Read more: https://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/sport ... 39a79c80f3

These things never add up for me. 2.6 million for the rest works out to be 200k each. Usually in a 30 player squad you're probably using about 25 players per season in the NRL.

So who is missing from that 17 that is fringe. Hoppa, Woolford, Ata, Mooney, Schiller. Are they all on 200k or below? Minimum wage at 150k isn't it? So there's no such thing as a bargain basement player anymore where you're paying them a pie and coke to counter your marquee players.


Look at Manly. They had something like 3.5 million tied up in Tommy, Jake and DCE... 800k on Schuster. It doesn't work whichever way you spin in. Can someone post the actual breakdown of the Roosters side? That'll be good for a laugh.

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1 James Tedesco $950,000
2 Dominic Young $550,000
3 Joseph Manu $1.1 million
4 Joseph-Aukuso Suaalii $750,000
5 Daniel Tupou $350,000
6 Luke Keary $670,000
7 Sam Walker $680,000
8 Jared Waerea-Hargreaves $570,000
9 Brandon Smith $720,000
10 Lindsay Collins $870,000
11 Siua Wong $420,000
12 Nat Butcher $580,000
13 Victory Radley $725,000
14 Angus Crichton $420,000
15 Spencer Leniu $700,000
16 Egan Butcher $320,000
17 Terrell May $475,000

https://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/sport ... 39a79c80f3

[Rick]

Why are people calling Hosking, Hoskings?

He is too tall to be singular.


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[dubby]

The fact these idiots think Hosking is being paid more than Angus Crichton shows how stupid they are

[Azza]

Why are people calling Hosking, Hoskings?

Probably for the same mysterious reason I call Stephen Steven

[The Nickman]

Why are people calling Hosking, Hoskings?

Probably for the same mysterious reason I call Stephen Steven

Steven Hoskings? The physicist?

[Azza]

Why are people calling Hosking, Hoskings?

Probably for the same mysterious reason I call Stephen Steven

Steven Hoskings? The physicist?

It’s spelled debacle.

[The Nickman]

Why are people calling Hosking, Hoskings?

Probably for the same mysterious reason I call Stephen Steven

Steven Hoskings? The physicist?

It’s spelled debacle.

No it isn't.

[Azza]

Why are people calling Hosking, Hoskings?

Probably for the same mysterious reason I call Stephen Steven

Steven Hoskings? The physicist?

It’s spelled debacle.

No it isn't.

Anything you say.

[Sid]

Why are people calling Hosking, Hoskings?

He is too tall to be singular.


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I'm pretty sure Hoskings is 2 nsw cup players in a trench coat

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[Seiffert82]

Some genuine truths about the issues with the salary cap being talked about on NRL 360.

The salary floor rule is a genuine blight on the game.

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[Raider Azz]

Daniel tupou on 350? Sure jan

[Mickey_Raider]

Some genuine truths about the issues with the salary cap being talked about on NRL 360.

The salary floor rule is a genuine blight on the game.

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Agreed.

I can’t stand it.

In sports generally one of the features of doing it “the right way” is to build a team yourself from the ground up by investing in development pathways.

Clubs should be perfectly entitled to eat **** for a couple years and not use their full cap as a young crop of talent comes through the system. And then as they grow the home team who invested in them is able to have the flexibility to increase their pay accordingly.

As it stands now clubs are obligated to overpay ploders and their flexibility and ability to do things “the right way” is severely limited.

[Botman]

I think a cap floor is an important part of any salary cap.
The NRL are giving us a grant that covers the entire cap and then some, the players and league have negotiated a revenue splitting arrangement that ensures the players get a fair share of the revenue they are generating. Making teams HAVE to spend a certain amount of money is a key protection for the players group, it's ensures clubs arent just sitting on that money that is allocated to the players and taking it for themselves.

So IMO a salary cap floor is a non negotiable MUST for any cap league. The NRL's cap floor is absurdly high and not flexible enough.
95% every year, no exceptions absolutely hamstrings clubs at the bottom from giving themselves avenues to build and get out of the cellar.
I much prefer the way the NFL do it. Which is somewhat complicated by the simple version:

- Teams can roll over unused cap space into the following year, this allows them to build spending money and target specific high profile players
- Teams must spend at least 89% of the salary cap across any 4 year period (i previously thought it was 90 over 3 but it seems they altered it slightly in the newest CBA)
- The NFL as a whole must spend 95% of the cap

It provides the protections for the players to ensure teams don't steal their money but also allows flexibility for teams

[Raiders_Pat]

Lol they could at least get the starting line up right

[Sid]

Lol they could at least get the starting line up right

Thought the same, but maybe it's based on what they expect the highest paid player in each position to be

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[NoMan]

The problem with the NFL and NBA version is that they have clubs allowed to go over the cap so it's easy to hit the 95%+ average overall. In the NRL if the bottom 4 teams are spending 85% and the rest 100% you wouldn't hit 97% overall. Still, it would be the best method with some tweaking and open up a lot of interesting strategy around squad building.

I think considering the lack of sophistication in the NRL the easier approach would be if a club doesn't hit minimum cap then they should just pay the difference into a central fund and that amount gets distributed amongst lower paid players or goes into the players retirement fund. It's hard to argue against that from a RLPA perspective and it doesn't force teams to pay overs.

End of the day, I guess if it's really a problem for clubs then in theory they can just sign players they have no intention of playing then dump them straight away and take a dead cap hit. It would probably be a good way of exposing the system as well.

[Raiders_Pat]

Lol they could at least get the starting line up right

Thought the same, but maybe it's based on what they expect the highest paid player in each position to be

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If that's the case then Harawira-Naera should at least be on the bench for Hosking. I think they just made it up.

[Sid]

I still find it ridiculous that salaries aren't transparent to the fans, yet it's perfectly acceptable to have several articles like this every year from journalists who speak to player managers about each player's salary.

[Roger Kenworthy]

Levi and Saulo criminally overpaid. Rapana criminally underpaid.

Add Cotric to the drastically overpaid IMO.

[dubby]

I still find it ridiculous that salaries aren't transparent to the fans, yet it's perfectly acceptable to have several articles like this every year from journalists who speak to player managers about each player's salary.

Good point.

I agree players salaries should be.

[Regs Revolution]

The opinion of sloth. Meh!