2024 Round 5 v Eels: Game Day

[-PJ-]

They’ve already sacked Brad Arthur over on the Eels forum.

Going off..

[Regs Revolution]

No other winger but Savage scores the try Schiller did. Pure eccys.

The Timoko try doesn’t happen cause the line break and speed of Schiller got him there.

226m. 3 line breaks and a try assist with 3 tackle breaks. Yea, the two tackle attempts on Sivo were poor and he gave Ronaldo too much space last week but he will learn from these and only get better.

[Rickmando]

Not having a pop at individuals, but the fact that there are some pining for Hoppa over someone like Schiller on a wing - it makes you wonder philosophically what has happened to the game of rugby league.

For 100+ years, wingers were your offensive weapons. The guys who could finish and score points, the entertainers. Now we are debating whether we should be picking a slow bloke with no lateral agility over exciting finishers, simply because he makes a few extra metres per game inside our own half or hits a bit better in defensive contact?

That’s more a slight on the modern game than anything else, in my opinion

[Andymachine]

Schiller is worth persisting with. Hoppa just cant do what he can and Hoppa's nothing special in defence either so it's not like we'd be replacing Schiller's crap defence with some sort of defensive god. I'd rather have outside backs who are capable of doing something with the ball. Something more than a hit up.

That said, Schiller really does need to sort out his physicality in defence because those two efforts on Sivo were embarrassing.

[Northern Raider]

Schiller's defensive issues can be rectified through coaching and experience. What he offers in attack are natural gifts that cannot be taught. Guys like him and Savage on the wings creates scoring opportunities we do not see with the Cotrics and Hoppas out there. I'm happy to accept the bad when the good is so damn good.

[dubby]

Hindmarsh and Fletcher taking shots at Canberra. Johns warns them about Canberra fans, seemed like a comment from Corey Parker’s experience!

Very tedious stuff. What is with these Fox Murdoch morons and the Canberra bashing. We just put on a clinic and they revert straight into the lazy tropes laying into Canberra.
Why

Why on earth would anyone watch them to begin with?

They're as funny as a car crash

[Regs Revolution]

They’ve already sacked Brad Arthur over on the Eels forum.

Going off..

Just messaging a close mate who is a die hard Parra. He’s had enough and is losing it over BA. Saying he has to go and has lost the room etc. Quoted “internal crisis”. Not good signs for them.

[Seiffert82]

Hindmarsh and Fletcher taking shots at Canberra. Johns warns them about Canberra fans, seemed like a comment from Corey Parker’s experience!

Very tedious stuff. What is with these Fox Murdoch morons and the Canberra bashing. We just put on a clinic and they revert straight into the lazy tropes laying into Canberra.
Why

Can't recall that level of tedious and immature commentary in any other major sporting code in the world. Not just a silly crack at Canberra, but also the UK, after interviewing a Pommy player no less. Hilarious.

Honestly bottom of the barrel stuff.



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[julian87]

The Schiller conundrum is very similar to early Manly career Jason Saab. Some poor defence. Too many errors.

But rather than punting him for a safe 5/10 winger they perservered, toughened him up in first grade and now reap the benefits when he’s fit. On his day he’s unbelievable. It’s Schiller all over. Reverting to Hopoate would be madness. Actually it’s beyond that. It would be clueless.

The only way Schiller could come out is when Stewart comes in so there’s a spot for Rapana.

[Travis]

Not having a pop at individuals, but the fact that there are some pining for Hoppa over someone like Schiller on a wing - it makes you wonder philosophically what has happened to the game of rugby league.

For 100+ years, wingers were your offensive weapons. The guys who could finish and score points, the entertainers. Now we are debating whether we should be picking a slow bloke with no lateral agility over exciting finishers, simply because he makes a few extra metres per game inside our own half or hits a bit better in defensive contact?

That’s more a slight on the modern game than anything else, in my opinion

Yep, reminds me of the old joke that Rugby League was originally an 11-a-side game, but when the team arrived to play, there were two extra blokes who turned up, so they put them on the wings.

[Seiffert82]

Well, if the club sticks with Schiller let's hope we can continue to build 13 point leads in games that matter.

Not a single player went over to console him after his pathetic attempt on Sivo for their second try. He knew it was a terrible effort. He's lucky Sivo didn't score three on him last night, given the first one was called back for a knock on from Gutherson. He's the one big target for the opposition and will be found out.

If he works hard to improve then I'm on board, but at this stage he's a complete liability when we don't have the ball, and often when we do.

He gave away a silly penalty for not genuinely contesting a bomb, spilt the ball when deep on the attack and wasn't even close to being in position for a short dropout. It's the effort stuff that drives me insane...but yeah he runs fast and looks good outside Timoko.

Honestly, do better mate.

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[Rickmando]

Well, if the club sticks with Schiller let's hope we can continue to build 13 point leads in games that matter.

Not a single player went over to console him after his pathetic attempt on Sivo for their second try. He knew it was a terrible effort. He's lucky Sivo didn't score three on him last night, given the first one was called back for a knock on from Gutherson.

If he works hard to improve then I'm on board, but at this stage he's a complete liability when we don't have the ball, and often when we do.

He gave away a silly penalty for not genuinely contesting a bomb, spilt the ball when deep on the attack and wasn't even close to being in position for a short dropout. It's the effort stuff that drives me insane...but yeah he runs fast and looks good outside Timoko.

Honestly, do better mate.

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I’d argue that looking good outside our centres isn’t even a bar Hopoate has cleared to date, so I’ll take whatever Schiller is offering.

I don’t think many would argue that wasn’t our most entertaining performance in a number of years. Schiller was a decent part in that, for better or worse.

But as I said above, it’s not necessarily a criticism of your viewpoint. This is very much an “eye of the beholder” thing in terms of what you want to see out of the wing position on game day. I can live with some of the rocks in order to get to the diamonds.

[mobrulesall]

Loved it, although it's hard not think that it should have been 41-0. Schiller is a defensive liability. Sharks did the same **** to him last week (and last year for that matter)

[Botman]

I didn’t watch the game but I have seen the highlights and it is baffling to me people are saying Schiller should be dropped for Hoppa on the basis of defences

Schiller let in 2 “soft” tries
The first I can live with, he made the right read but just didn’t commit fully. That ball was dying to go 90 metres back the other way.
The second was a very poor miss. But people, have you actually seen Hoppa play defence? He’s a terrible defensive winger. You’re not making a significant upgrade defensively with that move and you’re taking a giant step back offensively

Schiller has to improve in the area of defensive reads and contact for sure, but he’s also essentially A FG rookie. When he’s laying on tries and finishing the way he has, he earning the grace to get better with that in time and experience

[mobrulesall]

I didn’t watch the game but I have seen the highlights and it is baffling to me people are saying Schiller should be dropped for Hoppa on the basis of defences

Schiller let in 2 “soft” tries
The first I can live with, he made the right read but just didn’t commit fully. That ball was dying to go 90 metres back the other way.
The second was a very poor miss. But people, have you actually seen Hoppa play defence? He’s a terrible defensive winger. You’re not making a significant upgrade defensively with that move and you’re taking a giant step back offensively

Schiller has to improve in the area of defensive reads and contact for sure, but he’s also essentially A FG rookie. When he’s laying on tries and finishing the way he has, he earning the grace to get better with that in time and experience

His effort against Mulitalo last week was dreadful. Jersey grabber

His read on the Kennedy kick through the line, also garbage. Stay on your winger, back Timoko to do his job.

He has a lot to work on..

[irvste]

Is so Strange that I don't miss Jack

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[julian87]

Yeah Hopoate sucks in defence. I can cop those wanting the boring and safe play calling for Cotric who is a good defender but Hopoate is not.

The only things Hopoate is better at than Schiller is maybe physically tackling, handling on tough carries and obviously yardage metres. Has him covered in every other single aspect. Shouldn’t even be a conversation.

[julian87]

If Schiller has to be dropped the only player that should possibly come in for him is Chevy Stewart.

[Bulldog]

Schiller just isn't a good winger... He looked much better in the centres in the trials, I think I would prefer Hoppa out there...

Jesus Christ

Ultima, you can't be serious. Raiders fans have been screaming for years for more strike power. Now we have it. Schiller is on a completely different level to Hoppa. Schiller's spark, speed and just sheer brilliance on the wing has been missing since Brett Mullins was on the paddock. With Savage on the other wing, we now have that strike power.

[Neeeegz]

I didn’t watch the game but I have seen the highlights and it is baffling to me people are saying Schiller should be dropped for Hoppa on the basis of defences

Schiller let in 2 “soft” tries
The first I can live with, he made the right read but just didn’t commit fully. That ball was dying to go 90 metres back the other way.
The second was a very poor miss. But people, have you actually seen Hoppa play defence? He’s a terrible defensive winger. You’re not making a significant upgrade defensively with that move and you’re taking a giant step back offensively

Schiller has to improve in the area of defensive reads and contact for sure, but he’s also essentially A FG rookie. When he’s laying on tries and finishing the way he has, he earning the grace to get better with that in time and experience

His effort against Mulitalo last week was dreadful. Jersey grabber

His read on the Kennedy kick through the line, also garbage. Stay on your winger, back Timoko to do his job.

He has a lot to work on..

He does, but he is the best of cotric, hopoate and anyone else vying for that right wing spot, so you stick with him and help him improve.
That's what coaches should do. He has the skill and the speed and potential to be a great first grade player.
Extend him Donny

[Botman]

That’s it!
The coaches get paid too. This is a young player performing extremely well in areas that can’t be coach and struggling in very correctable areas

So coach him up. Help him improve. He’ll naturally improve with experience anyways.

[NoMan]

Asomua is a good halfway point between Hoppa and Schiller and is developing nicely. He has the tough carries and size to defend but he isn't so painfully slow or afflicted with crab running that he can't finish or create opportunities in attack. I think they should just take a couple of bumps a game (which I reckon are exaggerated anyway) and persist with Schiller but I'd rather Asomua if he does get replaced down the line.

[BJ]

I’m scoring out of 10, Schiller a 8 as an attacking weapon and a 3 defensively.


Hopoate I can only give a 3 attacking and a 5 defensive.

[LimeGreenMachine]

Ive got no real issues with Schiller. He made mistakes but they can be fixed.
Hoppa makes mistakes but doesn't make length of the field runs , or beats his man with pace. Schiller is what we need in the team.

I really hope Hoppa just doesnt come straight back in.

[Northern Raider]

Loved it, although it's hard not think that it should have been 41-0. Schiller is a defensive liability. Sharks did the same **** to him last week (and last year for that matter)

Without Schiller we're not scoring 41 points.

[Northern Raider]

That’s it!
The coaches get paid too. This is a young player performing extremely well in areas that can’t be coach and struggling in very correctable areas

So coach him up. Help him improve. He’ll naturally improve with experience anyways.

That's the key. His flaws are coachable. His speed and attacking flair are not.

[Finchy]

Schiller scored 1 try, let in 2. If he can flip those numbers I can live with it.

[greeneyed]

I think it’s going a bit too far to make comparisons between James Schiller and Brett Mullins… sure they are related… but…

[pickles]

Schiller needs to work on his defensive positioning and make sure that he is putting his body in front of the opposition winger and then trust the inside men to help out rather than getting drawn in. This is a pretty fixable problem.

His little stutter step and then accelerate down the wing past the defender is something I would love to see a lot more of this season. There's enough upside to persist with him given that we have seen the benefit of having wingers with genuine pace.

Seeing Savage cut inside into the space for his long range try was extremely enjoyable. He seems to be building in confidence week by week and with his pace and footwork is a genuinely exciting player.

The team generally defended very well last night, particularly in stopping the Eels from offloading and getting second phase play. We really didn't allow them to get a lot of attacking play going through dominating field position and good discipline. Let's do that every week please!

[T_R]

Loved it, although it's hard not think that it should have been 41-0. Schiller is a defensive liability. Sharks did the same **** to him last week (and last year for that matter)

Without Schiller we're not scoring 41 points.

Without Schiller, they weren't scoring 8. He needs to get on top of that defence.

I think he will though, and I very much like what I'm seeing. It feels a bit odd to have a Raiders side with speed to burn, but it's very nice to see it.

[BJ]

Hudson pass to Savage was perfect too. He threw it quickly at the hole for Xavier to run into.

[papabear]

I didn’t watch the game but I have seen the highlights and it is baffling to me people are saying Schiller should be dropped for Hoppa on the basis of defences

Schiller let in 2 “soft” tries
The first I can live with, he made the right read but just didn’t commit fully. That ball was dying to go 90 metres back the other way.
The second was a very poor miss. But people, have you actually seen Hoppa play defence? He’s a terrible defensive winger. You’re not making a significant upgrade defensively with that move and you’re taking a giant step back offensively

Schiller has to improve in the area of defensive reads and contact for sure, but he’s also essentially A FG rookie. When he’s laying on tries and finishing the way he has, he earning the grace to get better with that in time and experience

Why is it Schiller for hoppa though. TBH i maybe lean slightly schiller in that conversation because he has nice rythm in attack and I agree with you that I am not sure hoppas much better in defence.

The conversation should be Schiller for Cotric. For me whilst cotric has slightly less rythm in attack, cotric feels safer and his a far far better defender. If Schiller can sort his defensive issues out thats fine, but that last try his attempt was embarassing. Even if Sivo still scores he was caught in his no man land that he loves to be, but since sivo wasnt moving had enough time (and sivo a lack aof space) to get across there and he fell off like a wet rag.

Also for the other commentators comparing schiller to savage you are dreaming.. Savage is way more dangerous in attack and imo he is a more effective defender.

Excellent game though and cracking officiating.

[zim]

He spent all pre-season and reserves playing centre. It's almost like he needs to relearn how to defender as a winger. If you hit Sivo with everything and he still scores fair enough but it was like he went into that second attempt already thinking he was going to be beaten.
Night and day with his defense at centre where he has shown some real attitude. He's probably got 1 more game to show improvement before the inevitable hoppa return and he's likely back at centre in NSW cup.
We're going to miss that speed.

[Seiffert82]

I didn’t watch the game but I have seen the highlights and it is baffling to me people are saying Schiller should be dropped for Hoppa on the basis of defences

Schiller let in 2 “soft” tries
The first I can live with, he made the right read but just didn’t commit fully. That ball was dying to go 90 metres back the other way.
The second was a very poor miss. But people, have you actually seen Hoppa play defence? He’s a terrible defensive winger. You’re not making a significant upgrade defensively with that move and you’re taking a giant step back offensively

Schiller has to improve in the area of defensive reads and contact for sure, but he’s also essentially A FG rookie. When he’s laying on tries and finishing the way he has, he earning the grace to get better with that in time and experience

His effort against Mulitalo last week was dreadful. Jersey grabber

His read on the Kennedy kick through the line, also garbage. Stay on your winger, back Timoko to do his job.

He has a lot to work on..

He does.

Hopoate is not the answer either.

From what I have been told there is a bit of an attitude issue there with Schiller. I hope games like this highlight to him that he needs to be better and his teammates will expect it.

There's no way a Craig Bellamy coached team puts up with that **** on the reg.

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[Seiffert82]

Schiller scored 1 try, let in 2. If he can flip those numbers I can live with it.

If anyone watches the try he scored and doesn't think that 99% of competent NRL wingers should score that thing, they are watching a different game to me.

Sivo tackles Timoko 10 metres infield and the cover defence was a further 3 or 4 metres away. He had a mile of space.

But yeah, if he scores 2 tries every game from now on maybe the coach will be happy with him conceding one. Can't see it happening.